2019 RDX Advance SHAWD vs. 2019 RAV4 AWD Limited/Hybrid
HI, I am in a bit of a dilemma in choosing between the 2019 RDX Advance SHAWD and 2019 RAV4 AWD Limited/Hybrid. The new RAV4 is released in a month or so and has good specs and reviews. It has AWD with torque vectoring (limited and adventure versions). Also comes with many features like ventilated and heated seats, Toyota safety sense, 19 inch wheels, 8 inch screen, panoramic roof etc. Wonder if any one looked at this comparison and perhaps could share their thoughts? Thanks! |
Only one suggestion, test drive both on same day and decide. Personally I am not big fan of Toyota/Lexus's so called "aggressive" grille design.
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Originally Posted by Coolguy
(Post 16319097)
...Toyota/Lexus's
For me their current grill design reminds me of a carp - you know, the fish. https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...329?width=1024 |
Thank you. I agree, I also hate their grills. However, looks they are changing a bit for RAV4....check here...https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehi......doesn't look too bad!
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corrected the link....https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/RAV4/
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I also hated the entune system and how it worked. |
Seems like the bew Rav4 will be nice, BUT, why are you cross shopping a cheap Toyota to an Acura? Well, on second thoght, my cross shops never make any sence... In fact, I sold a TL for a Kia, no, I better just shut up...
RDX>Rav4 |
The reason I am cross shopping is based on these: 1. Reliability is more important to me over power (200+HP Rav4 vs 272 HP RDX) - I am not sure if there is a delta between Toyota and Acura reliability 2. Somewhat luxurious - so I am hoping a top end trim of RAV4 would close the luxury gap with Acura (but I understand there still will be some difference) 3. My budget is between 40K to 50K 4. Less operational and service costs 5. Last but not the least, the features I would like in my next SUV - ventilated seats, panoramic roof, AWD with torque vectoring, and Apple car play.
Based on my requirements, both 2019 Acura RDX and RAV4 (atleast on paper) come very close. I think as Coolguy suggested I should test drive both on the same day to get a feel for the driving dynamics and comfort of these vehicles. |
Apples and cucumbers...how can you even try to compare the two...two totally different leagues of vehicles.
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Originally Posted by securityguy
(Post 16319354)
Apples and cucumbers...how can you even try to compare the two...two totally different leagues of vehicles.
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Originally Posted by sxk101
(Post 16319366)
...many top trim mainstream vehicles are closing the gaps with the luxury/premium ones - no?
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Originally Posted by sxk101
(Post 16319366)
Why not? As I mentioned, I narrowed down to these two vehicles based on my requirements (I crossed so many like the X3, Q5, XC40, CRV, etc.). You may disagree but I tend to think many top trim mainstream vehicles are closing the gaps with the luxury/premium ones - no?
Go and drive it, don't pay too much attention to people belittling the Rav4, it's a very subjective thing. I think the current one is trash but someone may think they are really nice. It's all about what you are ok with and what you are accustomed to. One note, I don't know what the Rav4 AWD system is going to be, but many brands use the words torque vectoring when it really isn't. They use brake based vectoring vs true differential or clutch based (like on the RDX). SH-AWD is truly the best system in the game IME and IMO. So I don't think you can compare the two, but maybe the system on the Rav is way different 🤷🏻♂️. |
Yeah, forget the names, look at the details of execution. Audi calls their Haldex slip-and-grip system Quattro. They also call their Torsen system Quattro as well. Brake-vectoring is not a torque vectoring AWD system. |
Thank you all. Good point about the AWD, will definitely look into the details of execution. |
I would keep in mind that Acura is on the third, or so, edition of SH-AWD. If the Toyota system is indeed a brand new system, take that into account. |
The 8.3 sec 0-60 mph would be a showstopper for me, and that's the non-hybrid. The 2019 does look like a much improved version of the RAV4, with decent cargo space.
https://www.toyotaofdallas.com/toyot.../2019-rav4.htm |
I looked at pics when the new Rav4 was released, and honestly, it seems nice!!! HP is now up to 203 with the 8AT vs the old 178HP 6AT combo... I think that the new Rav4 will be much cheaper to own and operate... Go for a drive!!!
However, in the long run, the RDX is still a superior vechicle, but, maybe not by much... |
We were sort of in the same boat, but considering a loaded crv or rdx. Crv and rav4 are very similar class of vehicle. Once you load these things up with options, you are within ~$6k of an rdx. The crv and and rav4 are very sensible vehicles, but are not in the same class as an rdx, regardless of how many options. I’m not talking about the badge/image aspect, they are completely different vehicles, including size. Just drive them back to back. We wanted to be sensible and get a Honda and we don’t like driving flashy vehicles, but It was just a no brainer when we compared the price of loaded crv to a tech rdx. |
Reliability I'd go with the Acura... for one reason and one reason alone. The engine bay and areas that need service are very easy to get to... compared to the Rav4. I literally go "wtf..." when I look at it.
'19 Rav4 Engine(s): https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...4f276113f2.jpg '19 Rav4 Hybrid Engine: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...3e2c05c69b.jpg '19 Acura Engine: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...972a7ecd39.jpg Ultimately, I think servicing and the safety of '19 Acura RDX is far superior to the Rav4. They don't even really mention the safety features. Acura designed the frame/platform from scratch with safety in mind. |
Originally Posted by Madd Dog
(Post 16319398)
Yeah, forget the names, look at the details of execution. Audi calls their Haldex slip-and-grip system Quattro. They also call their Torsen system Quattro as well. Brake-vectoring is not a torque vectoring AWD system.
Originally Posted by blutow
(Post 16319435)
We were sort of in the same boat, but considering a loaded crv or rdx. Crv and rav4 are very similar class of vehicle. Once you load these things up with options, you are within ~$6k of an rdx. The crv and and rav4 are very sensible vehicles, but are not in the same class as an rdx, regardless of how many options. I’m not talking about the badge/image aspect, they are completely different vehicles, including size. Just drive them back to back. We wanted to be sensible and get a Honda and we don’t like driving flashy vehicles, but It was just a no brainer when we compared the price of loaded crv to a tech rdx. But for real, go test drive them and see how you feel. You might walk away very impressed or disappointed with either one. |
Originally Posted by OliveBread
(Post 16319491)
Reliability I'd go with the Acura... for one reason and one reason alone. The engine bay and areas that need service are very easy to get to... compared to the Rav4. I literally go "wtf..." when I look at it.
'19 Rav4 Engine(s): https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...4f276113f2.jpg '19 Rav4 Hybrid Engine: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...3e2c05c69b.jpg '19 Acura Engine: https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...972a7ecd39.jpg Ultimately, I think servicing and the safety of '19 Acura RDX is far superior to the Rav4. They don't even really mention the safety features. Acura designed the frame/platform from scratch with safety in mind. |
Originally Posted by kurtatx
(Post 16319595)
I wouldn't take any Honda reliability over a Toyota. I don't care how difficult it is to fix when the number of issues per vehicle is so low.
That said my experience with Honda has been the same. I owned an Accord that I literally beat the crap out of to the tune of well over 35K miles a year and it never once caused me any grief. My wife is still driving an '02 Civic that she refuses to get rid of - it's like the Energizer bunny, it just keeps going, and going, and going, and....... |
I would buy Honda any day over Toyota .. reasons .. Reliability, Handling and Int. Quality
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If you want to cross-shop a Rav4, a CR-X is more appropriate. Neither really match-up with an RDX.
Dealer experience alone is night and day difference. |
Keep in mind the 2019 RAV4 hybrid isn't supposed to be released until around spring of 2019. Only the gas model will be available in the timeframe you specify.
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Originally Posted by vuwildcat07
(Post 16319917)
Keep in mind the 2019 RAV4 hybrid isn't supposed to be released until around spring of 2019. Only the gas model will be available in the timeframe you specify.
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Why are these two cars the only options? There should be plenty of other cars to choose from in this price range. |
The only other vehicle I'd entertain, besides the RAV4 is the new Mazda CX5. They are putting a turbo option in for 2019 and it is a very sporty and nice driving SUV. Always gets solid reviews in all of the car mags I subscribe to. Toyota's are reliable but VERY BORING and not fun to drive at all.
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Originally Posted by securityguy
(Post 16320309)
The only other vehicle I'd entertain, besides the RAV4 is the new Mazda CX5. They are putting a turbo option in for 2019 and it is a very sporty and nice driving SUV. Always gets solid reviews in all of the car mags I subscribe to. Toyota's are reliable but VERY BORING and not fun to drive at all.
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oh .. i just saw 2019 RAV4 interior in detail.. looks awful. Dude.. stay away from it
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RDX vs Lexus nx 300 |
Originally Posted by Coolguy
(Post 16320545)
oh .. i just saw 2019 RAV4 interior in detail.. looks awful. Dude.. stay away from it
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Originally Posted by securityguy
(Post 16320309)
The only other vehicle I'd entertain, besides the RAV4 is the new Mazda CX5. They are putting a turbo option in for 2019 and it is a very sporty and nice driving SUV. Always gets solid reviews in all of the car mags I subscribe to. Toyota's are reliable but VERY BORING and not fun to drive at all.
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Originally Posted by sxk101
(Post 16320881)
Thank you. I will check the new Mazda CX-5 also. Hope it has all the features I am looking for. |
Originally Posted by sxk101
(Post 16320881)
Thank you. I will check the new Mazda CX-5 also. Hope it has all the features I am looking for. |
The 2019 with the turbo is only on the top 2 trims which take care of at least ventilated seats and CarPlay. Doubt any vector AWD or Pano roof.
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Originally Posted by Bilybobjef
(Post 16320947)
The 2019 with the turbo is only on the top 2 trims which take care of at least ventilated seats and CarPlay. Doubt any vector AWD or Pano roof.
Yeah no pano roof for sure and no proper torque vectoring AWD system. At least not this generation. |
The spec sheet for the US is leaked but I forget where I saw the link. Even had pricing at like $34,xxx for the Grand Touring Reserve and $36,xxx for Signature I believe which are the 2 trims getting the turbo.
*Edit* Found the reddit link for the US order guide - https://www.reddit.com/r/mazda/comme...rbo_available/ |
Originally Posted by Bilybobjef
(Post 16321263)
The spec sheet for the US is leaked but I forget where I saw the link. Even had pricing at like $34,xxx for the Grand Touring Reserve and $36,xxx for Signature I believe which are the 2 trims getting the turbo.
*Edit* Found the reddit link for the US order guide - https://www.reddit.com/r/mazda/comme...rbo_available/ In Canada the current GT goes for around 40k, wonder how high that pushes the signature trimx really bumping against some very premium competitors at that price point. |
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