2019 Acura RDX will be the first Acura to have a full REDESIGN!!! Proto pics page 12
01-29-2018, 12:24 AM
#801
The thick powder snow was brutal with the TL at first. I was able to make due once moving but getting going took some effort. I am on Michelin winters also. But... once it was packed down a bit... like by day 3 it was all good. I bomb around for the most part like normal now, just a bit more careful when approaching turns or intersections.
German cars are refined in a way that’s difficult to put into words, but they’re not perfect. We’ve owned nothing but German cars for the better part of a decade — 2 VW’s, a BMW, an Audi and a Benz. Some have been stellar, and some have disappointed. Lexus is close in terms of overall refinement, but the styling is anything but elegant. And isn’t elegance part of what a luxury brand is about? If they can keep their styling grounded, Genesis will be the next brand to pose a serious challenge to the Germans. That’s if the Germans don’t self-destruct first. This could leave a mark. Disturbing.German Carmakers Denounce Use of Monkeys in Diesel Exhaust Study
I’m not suggesting they’re going under as a result, but you’re mistaken if you don’t think there’ll be an impact. Clearly they understand the potential fallout as they’re already on the defensive. We’ll see if it comes up on the morning news shows tomorrow. And for the record, I’m not sure they do engineer the best cars. My BMW was a complete disaster. Worst ownership experience of my life.
01-29-2018, 09:33 AM
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Well said, “value with reasonable price”, that is what acura should be. If it ends up in the same price range as similarly equipped bmw, it will not be good for acura sales.
Somehow my 2008 RDX did not have any options, and SH-AWD was standard and I paid for it $31k. That was a good value to me back in the day. I get that we have inflation, but to pay $45k for RDX is too much.
Somehow my 2008 RDX did not have any options, and SH-AWD was standard and I paid for it $31k. That was a good value to me back in the day. I get that we have inflation, but to pay $45k for RDX is too much.
My 2017 Advance AWD with a few basic options like trailer pkg, wood trim (not wheel or gear shift), mats, side moldings, wheel locks, and mud guards listed out at over $46K.
I didn't pay that, but still....
01-29-2018, 09:40 AM
#803
Azine Jabroni
Well said, “value with reasonable price”, that is what acura should be. If it ends up in the same price range as similarly equipped bmw, it will not be good for acura sales.
Somehow my 2008 RDX did not have any options, and SH-AWD was standard and I paid for it $31k. That was a good value to me back in the day. I get that we have inflation, but to pay $45k for RDX is too much.
Somehow my 2008 RDX did not have any options, and SH-AWD was standard and I paid for it $31k. That was a good value to me back in the day. I get that we have inflation, but to pay $45k for RDX is too much.
01-29-2018, 10:02 AM
#804
Suzuka Master
01-29-2018, 10:22 AM
#805
Azine Jabroni
01-29-2018, 11:51 AM
#806
Suzuka Master
01-29-2018, 11:56 PM
#807
Good news for this Honda Turbo engine. Hondata has their Flash Pro set up to two different preset tunings for the Honda Accord 2.0 turbo. I think that it's safe to say that the RDX Turbo will be in high demand in regards to upgrading the engine.
01-30-2018, 12:39 AM
#808
Good news for this Honda Turbo engine. Hondata has their Flash Pro set up to two different preset tunings for the Honda Accord 2.0 turbo. I think that it's safe to say that the RDX Turbo will be in high demand in regards to upgrading the engine.
https://youtu.be/AyDhJtapFXQ
https://youtu.be/AyDhJtapFXQ
At first I was like WOW A WHOPPING 10-20hp (rolled my eyes very hard) but then seen that 40-80lb/ft and I LOVE IT. RDX with 400lb/ft and SH-AWD? Lord it should hit 60 in like 5 seconds flat!!
01-30-2018, 07:52 AM
#809
mrgold35
Think about what that means for future TLXs or MDXs with the single or twin turbo 3.0L engines! I've had my Hondata on my 08 RDX since 2010 with zero issues with it with +115,000 miles with the mod (I have +146,000 miles now). I only did it in 2010 because Hondata dropped the reflash price from around $700 (I think) down to $300 and kept it there since. A side effect of the reflash was a slight increase in mpgs in normal driving. I figured the reflash paid for itself in fuel savings a long time ago. I figure the prices would be $300 for stage 1 and $500-$600 for stage 2. We will need to follow the Honda 2.0T and Civic Type-R folks to see what other mods they are making to eek out additional hp/tq.
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01-30-2018, 08:36 AM
#810
Good news for this Honda Turbo engine. Hondata has their Flash Pro set up to two different preset tunings for the Honda Accord 2.0 turbo. I think that it's safe to say that the RDX Turbo will be in high demand in regards to upgrading the engine.
https://youtu.be/AyDhJtapFXQ
https://youtu.be/AyDhJtapFXQ
Didn't we hear/see that the 10-speed couldn't handle more than 275(?) on the torque? Seems to be the limiting factor....
01-30-2018, 02:32 PM
#812
See and this is what I am not understanding. Honda says it can only handle 275 pound feet and these tunes are pushing 380 pound feet. That’s WAY overkill and we know Honda does not have the best luck with transmissions so I would wait for long term results.
01-30-2018, 07:00 PM
#813
Null and proud of it
Honestly, I could talk about the 1gen RDX all day... I've gotten to appricate it so in much the past few months... The turbo is so much better than the stupid 3.2 TL, which I have just gotten to resent al of lately... I could post a whole rant on that but I won't...
Anyway, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Honda engines are boring without boost!!! I don't miss the V6 at all...
Anyway, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Honda engines are boring without boost!!! I don't miss the V6 at all...
02-01-2018, 01:55 AM
#814
Honestly, I could talk about the 1gen RDX all day... I've gotten to appricate it so in much the past few months... The turbo is so much better than the stupid 3.2 TL, which I have just gotten to resent al of lately... I could post a whole rant on that but I won't...
Anyway, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Honda engines are boring without boost!!! I don't miss the V6 at all...
Anyway, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Honda engines are boring without boost!!! I don't miss the V6 at all...
Did you already sell the TL?
02-01-2018, 09:12 AM
#816
mrgold35
I think it was the combo of V-6 peak TQ in the upper rev band and the 5ATs gearing not able to take advantage of it at lower revs. The extra low end TQ from the 1st gen RDX Turbo helps; but, the 5AT really hurt performance sometimes because of limited gear range. Hopefully, the 2.0L turbo+10AT+sh-awd will keep the maximum power when needed at any speed. Really want to see how fast and smooth the 10AT will downshift and how quickly the turbo will spool for WOT for 0-60 and hwy passing speeds.
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02-01-2018, 10:11 AM
#817
Team Owner
Just because the car could handle 380lbft on the dyno, does not mean that will translate to the real world in the same fashion.
for example, you can turbo your car and have an absolute shit tune on it and drive it for 40 miles without issue. But that doesn't mean it wont shit the bed by 100 miles.
This could be the same. Sure it handled it ok in the shop. But will it last until it's first oil change when being bagged on? Who knows. I think it will come down to those who are willing to be pioneers and push their cars to the limits. Seeing as the car is turbo'd in stock form, I'm betting there will be plenty of guys who will ultimately mod with Hondata and see what happens. Hell, even if it's only 100 people. It'll still give a good indication.
also- can we trust Honda with what they suggested about torque being limited to 275lbft for the 10at? To me, that seems like their actual real world results would be getting way too close to that number. If not past it already.
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02-01-2018, 10:15 AM
#818
Team Owner
I think it was the combo of V-6 peak TQ in the upper rev band and the 5ATs gearing not able to take advantage of it at lower revs. The extra low end TQ from the 1st gen RDX Turbo helps; but, the 5AT really hurt performance sometimes because of limited gear range. Hopefully, the 2.0L turbo+10AT+sh-awd will keep the maximum power when needed at any speed. Really want to see how fast and smooth the 10AT will downshift and how quickly the turbo will spool for WOT for 0-60 and hwy passing speeds.
Highway passing power, at least in my sonata 2.0t was ridiculous. Just hammer the throttle and the car would fly with such ease. The 6mt accord felt similar on the highway. But.... That 10at will make it even quicker.
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02-01-2018, 04:13 PM
#819
I think it was the combo of V-6 peak TQ in the upper rev band and the 5ATs gearing not able to take advantage of it at lower revs. The extra low end TQ from the 1st gen RDX Turbo helps; but, the 5AT really hurt performance sometimes because of limited gear range. Hopefully, the 2.0L turbo+10AT+sh-awd will keep the maximum power when needed at any speed. Really want to see how fast and smooth the 10AT will downshift and how quickly the turbo will spool for WOT for 0-60 and hwy passing speeds.
Just because the car could handle 380lbft on the dyno, does not mean that will translate to the real world in the same fashion.
for example, you can turbo your car and have an absolute shit tune on it and drive it for 40 miles without issue. But that doesn't mean it wont shit the bed by 100 miles.
This could be the same. Sure it handled it ok in the shop. But will it last until it's first oil change when being bagged on? Who knows. I think it will come down to those who are willing to be pioneers and push their cars to the limits. Seeing as the car is turbo'd in stock form, I'm betting there will be plenty of guys who will ultimately mod with Hondata and see what happens. Hell, even if it's only 100 people. It'll still give a good indication.
also- can we trust Honda with what they suggested about torque being limited to 275lbft for the 10at? To me, that seems like their actual real world results would be getting way too close to that number. If not past it already.
for example, you can turbo your car and have an absolute shit tune on it and drive it for 40 miles without issue. But that doesn't mean it wont shit the bed by 100 miles.
This could be the same. Sure it handled it ok in the shop. But will it last until it's first oil change when being bagged on? Who knows. I think it will come down to those who are willing to be pioneers and push their cars to the limits. Seeing as the car is turbo'd in stock form, I'm betting there will be plenty of guys who will ultimately mod with Hondata and see what happens. Hell, even if it's only 100 people. It'll still give a good indication.
also- can we trust Honda with what they suggested about torque being limited to 275lbft for the 10at? To me, that seems like their actual real world results would be getting way too close to that number. If not past it already.
Somthing else I was thinking about is there is a accord 6MT right, I would think that could handle more torque than the AT and it could always be upgraded with stronger clutches...etc to handle the torque upgrades. One other thing is, is it possible we’re misunderstanding what Honda was saying about that 275 pound feet limit? Is it possible that they were saying they won’t put it in anything rated at more than 275 pound feet meaning the actual limit is much higher? I’d imagine it’s going to find it’s way into the pilot and MDX soon and those two both tow 5000 pounds, there is no way they could handle towing 5000 pounds when the transmission would already be at it’s torque limits right?
02-01-2018, 04:26 PM
#820
Team Owner
Keep in mind I had the MDX and drove a 2004 pilot many many times. So the added weight and SH-AWD/AWD really sapped whatever torque there was present. I felt that there was just ok power and then as the vtec kicked on it would really wake up. Also keeping in mind the 5AT in the MDX/Pilot were somewhat sloppy (i.e not the quickest) so that hurt it too.
I think this is it. It is the transmissions that really killed the engine power. I also hope that new 10 AT will help in that department and that we won’t end up with a super gear hunty transmission. I imagine that in sport mode the top 2-3 gears would be locked out and that would help with performance even more.
Very good point and this is what I was thinking about too. Curiously Hondata is currently only offering their stage 1 tune for the accord and not the stage 2 tune. I also agree that I find it odd that Honda would rate the transmission at 275 pound feet when the engines really are not that far off. Hell the RLX has 272 pound feet iirc and most manufacturers will put in a transmission that can handle 100 pound feet+ more torque just to be safe. The last thing Honda needs is another transmission fiasco. The’ve already suffered twice.
Somthing else I was thinking about is there is a accord 6MT right, I would think that could handle more torque than the AT and it could always be upgraded with stronger clutches...etc to handle the torque upgrades. One other thing is, is it possible we’re misunderstanding what Honda was saying about that 275 pound feet limit? Is it possible that they were saying they won’t put it in anything rated at more than 275 pound feet meaning the actual limit is much higher? I’d imagine it’s going to find it’s way into the pilot and MDX soon and those two both tow 5000 pounds, there is no way they could handle towing 5000 pounds when the transmission would already be at it’s torque limits right?
However, you can't count the current RLX in that category though. It uses an entirely different transmission, does it not?
02-01-2018, 04:31 PM
#821
Team Owner
I also get the feeling at least the next gen MDX will come standard with the 3.0T, so it won't have to worry about the 10AT that appears to be designed for the 2.0T. The question is, what will it be paired to?
And as for the sport model of the MDX, I assume it will be the 3.0T paired with SH tech.
Acura has stated the 3.0T is exclusive to them- and it might be- for now. They never said a word about future Honda gens using it though. I could see it being used in the Pilot and Ridgeline. I too wouldn't even consider either of those if paired to a 2.0T. Especially if towing 5000lbs. That is a lot of mass to be hauling around by a tiny engine. I guess time will ultimately tell.
I'm generally the one who doesn't fear using a turbo engine in such an application, but even I have to draw the line somewhere. And if I'm hesitant about it, I can bet there are many more people who would flat out say no to the Pilot or Ridgeline if it came with a 2.0T. It could put an end to either.
And as for the sport model of the MDX, I assume it will be the 3.0T paired with SH tech.
Acura has stated the 3.0T is exclusive to them- and it might be- for now. They never said a word about future Honda gens using it though. I could see it being used in the Pilot and Ridgeline. I too wouldn't even consider either of those if paired to a 2.0T. Especially if towing 5000lbs. That is a lot of mass to be hauling around by a tiny engine. I guess time will ultimately tell.
I'm generally the one who doesn't fear using a turbo engine in such an application, but even I have to draw the line somewhere. And if I'm hesitant about it, I can bet there are many more people who would flat out say no to the Pilot or Ridgeline if it came with a 2.0T. It could put an end to either.
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02-01-2018, 07:45 PM
#822
Null and proud of it
I’m currently on the hunt for a 1G RDX again, I need something I will enjoy driving for the next few years that won’t require constant expensive maintenance and isn’t ancient. Honda V6’s have zero low end torque until vtec kicks in and it makes the vehicles feel even heavier. I miss the turbo kick and SH-AWD so I can’t wait to get back into an RDX again!
Did you already sell the TL?
I really want a Sorento... Honestly, I don't care if it's an EX, or even LX, if it's a V6, bit I've been looking around at other things too.... Santa Fe Limited, sceptical on suspension tuning, Lexus RX, Toyota Highlander, maybe even a 4Runner, heck, I almost want an old Lexus ES, but I need an SUV, TL kills me to see out of, suspension is too soft^^^ Why am I looking at these cars then??? Lol!!!
Also, wouldn't mind having another RDX, yeah two...
One thats cleaner, nicer colors, and not shared between two people... Also, TL interior is small for being a big car, hard to park, so on, I'm storing some stuff in there too and drowning in it... Haven't gotten RDX rattling checked out, snow closed dealer two weeks ago, now having medical issues with a family member, this weeks been something...
Either way, loving the RDX despite everything, hate driving the TL, so I almost never do if I have the choice!!!
Havent sold TL yet, if I get some cash, gonna trade it!!! Someday...
02-02-2018, 02:30 PM
#823
8th Gear
Last night I saw a 2019 RDX in camo paint driving on the 101 freeway in Studio City, CA. The proportions really looked stunning. It was late, so the headlights were in plain view - very bold. Drove next to it for about 30 seconds to listen for exhaust sound, unfortunately couldn't make out much. Showed some nice acceleration, though. No, I didn't get pics - I was driving 
02-02-2018, 03:51 PM
#824
Null and proud of it
You had 6 speeds right? I mean, TL isn't bad, it's just that it has not much torque at like 2-3k rpm... It's fine up to 10 mph, lag from there to 20-25, then it's gone, vroom!!!
I usually like to punch it fast from 10-40 in the RDX, 1st gear, not exceeding 3-4K rpm...
But it I get that the TL isn't bad, float and body roll also all to the heavy feeling of the car... Brakes are very touchy compared to RDX, but provide more control...
My 2.4 Camry did have more low end torque, but none at 4K up...
Thanks for the thoughts, I want to say the 3.5 would be better...
02-02-2018, 03:54 PM
#825
Null and proud of it
Last night I saw a 2019 RDX in camo paint driving on the 101 freeway in Studio City, CA. The proportions really looked stunning. It was late, so the headlights were in plain view - very bold. Drove next to it for about 30 seconds to listen for exhaust sound, unfortunately couldn't make out much. Showed some nice acceleration, though. No, I didn't get pics - I was driving
02-02-2018, 04:05 PM
#826
Last night I saw a 2019 RDX in camo paint driving on the 101 freeway in Studio City, CA. The proportions really looked stunning. It was late, so the headlights were in plain view - very bold. Drove next to it for about 30 seconds to listen for exhaust sound, unfortunately couldn't make out much. Showed some nice acceleration, though. No, I didn't get pics - I was driving
02-05-2018, 08:22 AM
#828
Instructor
There are 2 auto shows in February. Baltimore (Feb 8 - Feb 11) and Dallas (Feb 14 - Feb 18). Anyone have any idea if we can expect any further information on the car at these shows? The suspense is killer...check these forums and google everyday. Can't wait to get my hands on this vehicle if it indeed lives up to the prototype.
02-09-2018, 03:39 PM
#829
Any word on when we might see pricing? I just ditched an early morning day 1 Tesla Model 3 reservation in favor of this car, and am looking forward to learning more! Really wanted to go ev with Tesla, but their penchant for continuous delays, me not being able to afford a new Model S or X, and the design of the 2019 RDX had me over here in a flash!
02-09-2018, 05:34 PM
#830
So the prototype RDX is the production model basically
So I was watching Salomondrin (car youtuber) and at about 3:30 in this video they drive by the acura RDX on the road all covered in Camo. It looks exactly like the protoype except with normal mirrors and looks like evrything else is the same!!
02-09-2018, 06:43 PM
#831
There are four lights!
It's great that Acura is giving us something that won't be watered down. Perhaps they are finally realizing that if you want to sell something, listen to your damn customers!
02-09-2018, 08:16 PM
#832
Some info on the 'Exclusive Platform'
'Acura set targets of “significant improvement in body rigidity” and “top performance” on safety.'
Body highlights of 2019 RDX include ?continuous? mated door ring; vehicle is first for Acura-exclusive platform | Repairer Driven News
Body highlights of 2019 RDX include ?continuous? mated door ring; vehicle is first for Acura-exclusive platform | Repairer Driven News
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02-10-2018, 12:48 AM
#834
Well I mean in fairness the 2013+ RDX was selling 50K+ units annually in the U.S year after year. They really did not have to change anything. They could have kept the ancient V6, 6 speed auto, garbage AWD system and pretty much mildly updated the looks and it still would have sold well. I do agree though that it is awesome they never watered down the looks from the prototype. The fact they returned SH-AWD alone tells me that they are taking it very seriously. Real wood and aluminum, 16 way seats, adaptive suspension, 16 speaker 700+ watt sound system, 12.3” nav screen, even looking at the stitching down the center console. These are all things that go above and beyond what Acura has ever done in the past, this really shows they want to compete with the big guns. What remains to be seen is price...they could put a foot in their mouth and try aggressively moving upmarket and fail.
02-10-2018, 01:56 AM
#835
Carbon Bronze Pearl 2008
Well I mean in fairness the 2013+ RDX was selling 50K+ units annually in the U.S year after year. They really did not have to change anything. They could have kept the ancient V6, 6 speed auto, garbage AWD system and pretty much mildly updated the looks and it still would have sold well. I do agree though that it is awesome they never watered down the looks from the prototype. The fact they returned SH-AWD alone tells me that they are taking it very seriously. Real wood and aluminum, 16 way seats, adaptive suspension, 16 speaker 700+ watt sound system, 12.3” nav screen, even looking at the stitching down the center console. These are all things that go above and beyond what Acura has ever done in the past, this really shows they want to compete with the big guns. What remains to be seen is price...they could put a foot in their mouth and try aggressively moving upmarket and fail.
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02-10-2018, 02:17 AM
#836
Summer is Coming
So I was watching Salomondrin (car youtuber) and at about 3:30 in this video they drive by the acura RDX on the road all covered in Camo. It looks exactly like the protoype except with normal mirrors and looks like evrything else is the same!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdjHwmpK39Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdjHwmpK39Y
02-10-2018, 06:18 AM
#837
mrgold35
It is really hard to tell from the video; but, the 3rd Gen RDX looks almost just a touch smaller in overall dimensions to the current MDX? I can't wait for spec sheet to come out to see how it compares to the current MDX/RDX in size and capabilities. I hoping towing will be in the 1500-2500lbs range, option for donut or full size spare (because of towing), sh-awd programming will send more rear and side-to-side tq like the MDX, and 18 gallon fuel tank.
02-10-2018, 10:28 AM
#838
'Acura set targets of “significant improvement in body rigidity” and “top performance” on safety.'
Body highlights of 2019 RDX include ?continuous? mated door ring; vehicle is first for Acura-exclusive platform Repairer Driven News
Body highlights of 2019 RDX include ?continuous? mated door ring; vehicle is first for Acura-exclusive platform Repairer Driven News
I saw that last night as well. It’s very exciting news about the frame of the new RDX. Can’t wait to see the real thing in person.
02-10-2018, 11:08 AM
#840
I take a little offense when you say “garbage AWD system”. Granted, I know it’s not SH-AWD but I have a 2016 AWD and they improved it quite a bit from the 2013-2015 models. It’s not bad. I have run it through the snow many times now in the almost two years I’ve had the RDX and it’s really not bad in the snow. It’s actually pretty good.
But looks like they may have really listened to the buyers for 2019, as mentioned above. Excited to finally see if they have done enough to bring in those looking for the Acura driving experience again.
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