Use an iMac as a display for a PC?
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Use an iMac as a display for a PC?
Would I need a DVI to mini display port adapter to make this work?
27" 2011 iMac
27" 2011 iMac
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More than that. The DVI adapter has to support carrying a DP signal and I dont know of one that does.
I learned this the hard way. I have a DVI to DP cable and thought it would just work but it didn't.
I learned this the hard way. I have a DVI to DP cable and thought it would just work but it didn't.
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Bootcamp instead?
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It's a matter of desk space
Here's the setup i have envisioned. A desktop PC under the table with a top of the line card connected to an iMac and another large display.
I'm assuming a card such as the AMD 7970 using a displayport connection directly to the iMac and HDMI to the second monitor would work
Right, as soon as I posted the above I had a sneaking suspicion this would be a problem. So a direct displayport connection from the card to the iMac would work? (I am assuming the iMac will always need to be turned off)
Here's the setup i have envisioned. A desktop PC under the table with a top of the line card connected to an iMac and another large display.
I'm assuming a card such as the AMD 7970 using a displayport connection directly to the iMac and HDMI to the second monitor would work
Right, as soon as I posted the above I had a sneaking suspicion this would be a problem. So a direct displayport connection from the card to the iMac would work? (I am assuming the iMac will always need to be turned off)
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Yeah I would assume so
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I'll try that tomorrow then, if it doesn't work I'll just turn my desktop into a Hackintosh just like my wife's.
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mad bad news broseph!
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/03/targe...-on-new-imacs/
The 2009-2010 models support DP input but the 2011 only takes input from a TB equipped device. Same looking port but different protocol, there are not TB GPUs that I know of for PC. TB is coming soon to PCs but IDK about GPU cards.
Notice this KB article doesn't mention 2011 imacs
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3924
Cast your minds back to the launch of the 27" iMac in mid-2009. One of the new features was Target Display Mode, which introduced the ability to use the iMac as a pure external monitor, bypassing the built-in computer entirely. This could be useful if you wanted to dock a laptop to a big screen temporarily -- or if you were worried that the substantial investment in a 27" screen would, in years to come, be hobbled by the aging CPU and GPU inside the iMac. The theory was that you could eventually just stop using everything but the display.
However, Apple has <s>quietly dropped</s> substantially modified the feature on the latest iMacs, which were announced today. For one, the Apple knowledgebase article describing the feature specifically mentions it is for "iMac (27-inch, Mid 2010), iMac (27-inch, Late 2009)," excluding the newest model. For two, while this archive of the old model's tech specs page states "27-inch models also support input from external DisplayPort sources," there is no such mention on the updated page for today's model.
UPDATE: MacRumors spoke with an Apple rep who said the feature is still supported on the new models (through the Thunderbolt ports), despite not being mentioned on the tech specs page.
UPDATE 2: Macworld has confirmation from Apple that the new iMacs will support Target Display Mode, but only when the device they are connected to is also a Thunderbolt-equipped Mac; the trick won't work with older mini DisplayPort models.
So, a new MacBook Pro connected to a new iMac will work, but older MacBook Pros will not, and a current MacBook Air won't work either. This also means the popular Kanex adaptors (which convert HDMI signals to mini DisplayPort ones, letting users plug things like game consoles into their iMacs) probably won't work with the new iMacs -- we've contacted Kanex to ask for confirmation.
This change is probably tied to the mini DisplayPort being replaced by two Thunderbolt ports. Whatever clever hack Apple did to make the mini DisplayPort connection bi-directional in the earlier iMacs is presumably difficult or impossible to replicate through Thunderbolt, as it has less control over the protocol (remember that Thunderbolt is an Intel design, and uses a special Intel communications chip).
UPDATE 3: Consider that, for legacy mini-DisplayPort devices to work, the Thunderbolt interface would need to consume a raw display signal -- not one wrapped up in the clever Thunderbolt protocol (note, PDF link), which combines PCIe and DisplayPort data into a single stream. This is probably why the new Thunderbolt ports cannot maintain backwards compatibility with older devices. However, when the device sending the signal also has Thunderbolt, they can negotiate a way to send the signal that the receiver can understand.
What do you think, readers -- was Target Display Mode always a pointless curiosity, or do you think this is a loss for the iMac's feature set? Has anyone out there used Target Display Mode in anger?
However, Apple has <s>quietly dropped</s> substantially modified the feature on the latest iMacs, which were announced today. For one, the Apple knowledgebase article describing the feature specifically mentions it is for "iMac (27-inch, Mid 2010), iMac (27-inch, Late 2009)," excluding the newest model. For two, while this archive of the old model's tech specs page states "27-inch models also support input from external DisplayPort sources," there is no such mention on the updated page for today's model.
UPDATE: MacRumors spoke with an Apple rep who said the feature is still supported on the new models (through the Thunderbolt ports), despite not being mentioned on the tech specs page.
UPDATE 2: Macworld has confirmation from Apple that the new iMacs will support Target Display Mode, but only when the device they are connected to is also a Thunderbolt-equipped Mac; the trick won't work with older mini DisplayPort models.
So, a new MacBook Pro connected to a new iMac will work, but older MacBook Pros will not, and a current MacBook Air won't work either. This also means the popular Kanex adaptors (which convert HDMI signals to mini DisplayPort ones, letting users plug things like game consoles into their iMacs) probably won't work with the new iMacs -- we've contacted Kanex to ask for confirmation.
This change is probably tied to the mini DisplayPort being replaced by two Thunderbolt ports. Whatever clever hack Apple did to make the mini DisplayPort connection bi-directional in the earlier iMacs is presumably difficult or impossible to replicate through Thunderbolt, as it has less control over the protocol (remember that Thunderbolt is an Intel design, and uses a special Intel communications chip).
UPDATE 3: Consider that, for legacy mini-DisplayPort devices to work, the Thunderbolt interface would need to consume a raw display signal -- not one wrapped up in the clever Thunderbolt protocol (note, PDF link), which combines PCIe and DisplayPort data into a single stream. This is probably why the new Thunderbolt ports cannot maintain backwards compatibility with older devices. However, when the device sending the signal also has Thunderbolt, they can negotiate a way to send the signal that the receiver can understand.
What do you think, readers -- was Target Display Mode always a pointless curiosity, or do you think this is a loss for the iMac's feature set? Has anyone out there used Target Display Mode in anger?
The 2009-2010 models support DP input but the 2011 only takes input from a TB equipped device. Same looking port but different protocol, there are not TB GPUs that I know of for PC. TB is coming soon to PCs but IDK about GPU cards.
Notice this KB article doesn't mention 2011 imacs
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3924
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We need hybrid MDP/TB ports that work with both
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The display on my 24" iMac is beautiful. It pisses me off that I can't plug in an xBox/PS3/etc. It's shame that Apple doesn't better support external devices.
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Yep, tried and failed. My Macbook Pro (TB-equipped) of course worked.
Damn. I guess I can save myself a lot of money and just use my existing monitor, use an HDMI cable to HDMI/Mini-DP connector to the Macbook Pro, giving me a 25" screen and also use my PC
Damn. I guess I can save myself a lot of money and just use my existing monitor, use an HDMI cable to HDMI/Mini-DP connector to the Macbook Pro, giving me a 25" screen and also use my PC
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you can go mDP to HDMI but I don't think you can go HDMI to mDP. You can go HDMI to DVI though...
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MacBook Pro's TB/MDP -> MDP Adapter with HDMI female -> HDMI cable -> 25" Screen with multiple HDMI connections
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let me know how it goes ill end up needing to know this...
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Will do next week.
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Ahh yes, I did receive it. It does work.
It also lets my Mac Mini server have two displays
It also lets my Mac Mini server have two displays
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Plus it's very quiet, I'm sick and tired of loud fans. I have a gaming desktop for the heavy duty stuff.
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Ahhh. Did you tear it apart to put a big hdd in there or are you running external?
I have an early 2009 mini (C2D) and it just doesn't have the balls to keep with with our houses sharing duties. So I just use it as my web dev server.
And I agree. That's why I love my iMac! With an SSD it makes 0 noise.
I have an early 2009 mini (C2D) and it just doesn't have the balls to keep with with our houses sharing duties. So I just use it as my web dev server.
And I agree. That's why I love my iMac! With an SSD it makes 0 noise.
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Thats the one. Works on the Macbook Pro and Mac Mini Server
It not only worked but using that adapter, I was able to connect it to an HDMI - DVI cable too. No issues!
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then the TB equipped macs can output an MDP signal but the TB Apple displays can't accept an MDP signal.
Ok I think I got it now.
Ok I think I got it now.
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Ahhh. Did you tear it apart to put a big hdd in there or are you running external?
I have an early 2009 mini (C2D) and it just doesn't have the balls to keep with with our houses sharing duties. So I just use it as my web dev server.
And I agree. That's why I love my iMac! With an SSD it makes 0 noise.
I have an early 2009 mini (C2D) and it just doesn't have the balls to keep with with our houses sharing duties. So I just use it as my web dev server.
And I agree. That's why I love my iMac! With an SSD it makes 0 noise.
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Damn! The RAID had to of set you back a bit huh? A pegasus?
Nice setup. Yea I'd say that has enough horsepower... Lol
Nice setup. Yea I'd say that has enough horsepower... Lol
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Yeah, just under $2500 for everything (including the Mac Mini server and upgraded RAM I installed)
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Correct
http://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Fe...8039375&sr=8-2
Thats the one. Works on the Macbook Pro and Mac Mini Server
It not only worked but using that adapter, I was able to connect it to an HDMI - DVI cable too. No issues!
http://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Fe...8039375&sr=8-2
Thats the one. Works on the Macbook Pro and Mac Mini Server
It not only worked but using that adapter, I was able to connect it to an HDMI - DVI cable too. No issues!
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