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04-19-2007, 08:32 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by sonnyg80
3-0 vs. the mavs in the regular season, it COULD happen! 
i would say 6 games though if anything
i would say 6 games though if anything
04-19-2007, 08:53 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by fdl
Man, you are so pessimistic. You have been downplaying the raps success right from the start. They have been the hottest team in the East since the all star break, even better than Detroit. Give them some recognition.
Obviously Washington would have been a better match-up, but I think the raps can easily take NJ. Plus the atmosphere will be amazing. I cant wait to see how Carter handles the relentless booing. Maybe we'll even see him rolling around on the ground holding his knee like he did while her was here. ahhh..good times.
Obviously Washington would have been a better match-up, but I think the raps can easily take NJ. Plus the atmosphere will be amazing. I cant wait to see how Carter handles the relentless booing. Maybe we'll even see him rolling around on the ground holding his knee like he did while her was here. ahhh..good times.
Who the hell have the Raptors beat? The only team worth noting is the Bulls and they haven't been able to win a big game what seems like all year. They played Cleveland twice in the second half and lost both times. Detroit twice and won one at home with Detroit's starters on the bench for the 4th quarter.
The Raps are a good team, but they aren't yet good enough to beat the Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Miami in a 7 game playoff round. Keep in mind that the Nets were very recently in the NBA finals, back to back. They have quite a bit playoff experience. It will be a close series, I just have a bad feeling about the outcome.
And Chicago has the best record in the East since the All-Star break at 20-8.
04-19-2007, 09:09 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by dom
Who the hell have the Raptors beat? The only team worth noting is the Bulls and they haven't been able to win a big game what seems like all year. They played Cleveland twice in the second half and lost both times. Detroit twice and won one at home with Detroit's starters on the bench for the 4th quarter.
The Raps are a good team, but they aren't yet good enough to beat the Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Miami in a 7 game playoff round. Keep in mind that the Nets were very recently in the NBA finals, back to back. They have quite a bit playoff experience. It will be a close series, I just have a bad feeling about the outcome.
And Chicago has the best record in the East since the All-Star break at 20-8.
The Raps are a good team, but they aren't yet good enough to beat the Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Miami in a 7 game playoff round. Keep in mind that the Nets were very recently in the NBA finals, back to back. They have quite a bit playoff experience. It will be a close series, I just have a bad feeling about the outcome.
And Chicago has the best record in the East since the All-Star break at 20-8.
Take away the last two games, which meant nothing and where the raps played their bench the whole game. Who had the best record?
Who have they beat? They beat Chicago, they beat Detroit, they beat Miami, and they lost to Celeveland by 1 point. Yet you are convinced they cant beat any of these teams
I'm not saying anything is a sure thing, but you can't say they dont have a chance against these teams. The only team I dont think they have a fair shot at is probably detroit. But they are certainly capable of beating NJ, Cleveland, Miami, and Chicago.
04-19-2007, 09:11 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by fdl
Take away the last two games, which meant nothing and where the raps played their bench the whole game. Who had the best record?
Who have they beat? They beat Chicago, they beat Detroit, they beat Miami, and they lost to Celeveland by 1 point. Yet you are convinced they cant beat any of these teams
I'm not saying anything is a sure thing, but you can't say they dont have a chance against these teams. The only team I dont think they have a fair shot at is probably detroit. But they are certainly capable of beating NJ, Cleveland, Miami, and Chicago.
Who have they beat? They beat Chicago, they beat Detroit, they beat Miami, and they lost to Celeveland by 1 point. Yet you are convinced they cant beat any of these teams
I'm not saying anything is a sure thing, but you can't say they dont have a chance against these teams. The only team I dont think they have a fair shot at is probably detroit. But they are certainly capable of beating NJ, Cleveland, Miami, and Chicago.
04-19-2007, 09:14 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by FiftyFive
They will not be able to beat any of those teams in a 7 game playoff series. Its pretty different than the regular season.
And how do you know this? What makes them any less capable in the post season.
04-19-2007, 09:20 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by fdl
And how do you know this? What makes them any less capable in the post season.
04-19-2007, 09:21 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by fdl
Take away the last two games, which meant nothing and where the raps played their bench the whole game. Who had the best record?
Who have they beat? They beat Chicago, they beat Detroit, they beat Miami, and they lost to Celeveland by 1 point. Yet you are convinced they cant beat any of these teams
I'm not saying anything is a sure thing, but you can't say they dont have a chance against these teams. The only team I dont think they have a fair shot at is probably detroit. But they are certainly capable of beating NJ, Cleveland, Miami, and Chicago.
Who have they beat? They beat Chicago, they beat Detroit, they beat Miami, and they lost to Celeveland by 1 point. Yet you are convinced they cant beat any of these teams
I'm not saying anything is a sure thing, but you can't say they dont have a chance against these teams. The only team I dont think they have a fair shot at is probably detroit. But they are certainly capable of beating NJ, Cleveland, Miami, and Chicago.
Never said they don't have a chance. I just don't think it will happen.
Toronto's record since the break is 18-9 before the last 2 games and 18-11 with.
They may have lost to Cleveland by one point at home, but lost by 23 in Cleveland 2 weeks later. Anyway, no point in arguing individual games.
NJ has pulled things together recently after they got healthy, having said that, they haven't been able to beat anybody of significance either.
04-19-2007, 09:22 AM
#54
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Ya, I'm not saying they are favored to win or anything, I just get frustrated when people imply that they have no chance at all, when I'd say they have a decent shot at everyone (Except maybe Detroit).
04-19-2007, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Ya, I'm not saying they are favored to win or anything, I just get frustrated when people imply that they have no chance at all, when I'd say they have a decent shot at everyone (Except maybe Detroit).
IMO Everything points to the Raptors beating the Nets.
They are simply a better overall team.
Bosh > Carter
Deeper Bench (Probably one of the deepest in the NBA)
Better outside shooting
What worries me is the Carter effect and experience. Will he go off for 50? They don't call Jason Kidd Mr Clutch for nothing. Like I said, its just a bad feeling. Its the one match up I didn't want to see.
04-19-2007, 09:31 AM
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I worry more about Kidd than Carter. Carter may have a hot game, but he will also have very cold games as well. He shoots ALOT, so when he is cold, he will cripple a team.
I think Carter is a guy that chokes more often than having a huge game. I'm not too worried.
I think Carter is a guy that chokes more often than having a huge game. I'm not too worried.
04-19-2007, 09:34 AM
#58
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Originally Posted by dom
IMO Everything points to the Raptors beating the Nets.
They are simply a better overall team.
1Bosh > Carter
2Deeper Bench (Probably one of the deepest in the NBA)
3Better outside shooting
What worries me is the Carter effect and experience. Will he go off for 50? They don't call Jason Kidd Mr Clutch for nothing. Like I said, its just a bad feeling. Its the one match up I didn't want to see.
They are simply a better overall team.
1Bosh > Carter
2Deeper Bench (Probably one of the deepest in the NBA)
3Better outside shooting
What worries me is the Carter effect and experience. Will he go off for 50? They don't call Jason Kidd Mr Clutch for nothing. Like I said, its just a bad feeling. Its the one match up I didn't want to see.
2. Def not the deepest in the NBA, Spurs, Det, Dallas..
3. Now that House is out,
04-19-2007, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FiftyFive
1. How exactly?
Purely from a talent/skill perspective, I think Carter is better. But Bosh has a better attitude and work ethic, and comes through in the clutch more often than vince. I'd take Bosh over Carter any day.
04-19-2007, 09:42 AM
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We need to play the Jordan rules defence on Carter..
much like how the Bad boys pistons did in the early 90's
Double team every time he touches.. foul him hard.. physical defence.. push him around as much as you legally can.
much like how the Bad boys pistons did in the early 90's
Double team every time he touches.. foul him hard.. physical defence.. push him around as much as you legally can.
04-19-2007, 09:43 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by 04EuroAccordTsx
Bulls will make it to at least the Eastern Conference Finals or the NBA Finals and will unfortunately lose to whoever they'll play.
Hmmm...is this the same bulls team that went limp against NJ last night?
04-19-2007, 09:45 AM
#64
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ESPN prediction:
5. TORONTO (3) vs. NEW JERSEY (6)
As an unabashed Canada-lover, it pains me to report that no team was a bigger loser on the final day of the regular season than my Raps.
If the Bulls had beaten the Nets in New Jersey, Toronto would get Washington in the first round. The Raps will instead get Vince Carter's Nets, except that Vince is the least of Toronto's problems.
The Raps, as one veteran scout described them to me, are "the closest thing we've got to a Phoenix of the East."
But Toronto wins by forcing teams to play at its pace and the Nets have been functioning at the same speed lately; long outlet passes and speeding up the tempo are among the factors that sparked the 7-2 finishing kick in April that enabled Jersey to finish at 41-41 after its season of many surgeries.
Given the Nets' considerable edge in playoff experience, proven ability to play Toronto's game and the unavailability of Raps rookie glue guy Jorge Garbajosa, I can't pick the Canadians to extend their return to the postseason to Round 2 no matter how much I want to.
As for Carter's return to hostile territory, let's hope that lives up to billing and delivers an international incident or two. Don't forget that this season was supposed to be Vince's greatest because he was in a contract year. We didn't see the Vinsanity we were promised until the season's final month.
Then again, maybe the Raps should be worried about Carter, since there's still time for a contract drive.
Prediction: Nets in six
As an unabashed Canada-lover, it pains me to report that no team was a bigger loser on the final day of the regular season than my Raps.
If the Bulls had beaten the Nets in New Jersey, Toronto would get Washington in the first round. The Raps will instead get Vince Carter's Nets, except that Vince is the least of Toronto's problems.
The Raps, as one veteran scout described them to me, are "the closest thing we've got to a Phoenix of the East."
But Toronto wins by forcing teams to play at its pace and the Nets have been functioning at the same speed lately; long outlet passes and speeding up the tempo are among the factors that sparked the 7-2 finishing kick in April that enabled Jersey to finish at 41-41 after its season of many surgeries.
Given the Nets' considerable edge in playoff experience, proven ability to play Toronto's game and the unavailability of Raps rookie glue guy Jorge Garbajosa, I can't pick the Canadians to extend their return to the postseason to Round 2 no matter how much I want to.
As for Carter's return to hostile territory, let's hope that lives up to billing and delivers an international incident or two. Don't forget that this season was supposed to be Vince's greatest because he was in a contract year. We didn't see the Vinsanity we were promised until the season's final month.
Then again, maybe the Raps should be worried about Carter, since there's still time for a contract drive.
Prediction: Nets in six
04-19-2007, 09:46 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by fdl
Hmmm...is this the same bulls team that went limp against NJ last night?
I am still not convinced that they can take Miami down. Miami hasn't played well in the regular season but they are a plyoff minded team and will not go down without a big fight. And as long as Wade plays how he did in the 4th Qtr last friday against the Pacers, I think the Bulls will have a hard time taking them down, especially after seeing the way they couldnt do anything against the Nets last night.
04-19-2007, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FiftyFive
1. How exactly?
2. Def not the deepest in the NBA, Spurs, Det, Dallas..
3. Now that House is out,
2. Def not the deepest in the NBA, Spurs, Det, Dallas..
3. Now that House is out,
Carter is the most overrated player in the league. If he was so good, why were the Nets hapless without Kidd and Jefferson. Not to mention he's a pansy that drops like a sack of potatoes every time someone rubs him the wrong way.
Didn't say the deepest, I said one of. But its funny that more a one Western Conference coach has come in here and commented on how deep their bench is after playing the Raptors. Certainly deeper than NJ anyway. But the loss of Garjbhosa hurts.
Peterson, Bargnani, Parker are all very good 3 point shooters.
04-19-2007, 09:50 AM
#67
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Originally Posted by chinoz
We need to play the Jordan rules defence on Carter..
much like how the Bad boys pistons did in the early 90's
Double team every time he touches.. foul him hard.. physical defence.. push him around as much as you legally can.
much like how the Bad boys pistons did in the early 90's
Double team every time he touches.. foul him hard.. physical defence.. push him around as much as you legally can.
i think the raptors are better letting carter shoot jump shots. he's way more effective when he drives to the basket and lets that open up the rest of his game. i'd be more comfortable with seeing him shoot from the perimeter and get lazy and comfortable out there.
04-19-2007, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
i think the raptors are better letting carter shoot jump shots. he's way more effective when he drives to the basket and lets that open up the rest of his game.
But making things rough on the way to the basket is the way to force him to settle for jumpers. I think we're focusing too much on the East when it obvious that whomever makes it gets to be the sacrificial lamb to the Mavs, Suns or Spurs anyway.
04-19-2007, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
I think we're focusing too much on the East when it obvious that whomever makes it gets to be the sacrificial lamb to the Mavs, Suns or Spurs anyway.
But until the finals, the east will be more exciting to follow/watch
04-19-2007, 09:57 AM
#72
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Originally Posted by dom
Carter is the most overrated player in the league. If he was so good, why were the Nets hapless without Kidd and Jefferson. Not to mention he's a pansy that drops like a sack of potatoes every time someone rubs him the wrong way.
Didn't say the deepest, I said one of. But its funny that more a one Western Conference coach has come in here and commented on how deep their bench is after playing the Raptors. Certainly deeper than NJ anyway. But the loss of Garjbhosa hurts.
Peterson, Bargnani, Parker are all very good 3 point shooters.
Didn't say the deepest, I said one of. But its funny that more a one Western Conference coach has come in here and commented on how deep their bench is after playing the Raptors. Certainly deeper than NJ anyway. But the loss of Garjbhosa hurts.
Peterson, Bargnani, Parker are all very good 3 point shooters.
04-19-2007, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
But making things rough on the way to the basket is the way to force him to settle for jumpers. I think we're focusing too much on the East when it obvious that whomever makes it gets to be the sacrificial lamb to the Mavs, Suns or Spurs anyway.
and yea, the east will be very exciting because it's so open. each team has a chance.
04-19-2007, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
Chicago needed that game last night. I don't like their chances.
Unless, Wade goes down or plays like shit.
Unless, Wade goes down or plays like shit.
04-19-2007, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
true. i guess i was just trying to say that the jordan rules won't work.
and yea, the east will be very exciting because it's so open. each team has a chance.
and yea, the east will be very exciting because it's so open. each team has a chance.
. I like Howards enthusiasim going into the playoffs facing Detroit in the first round. Probably won't do much for him though.
04-19-2007, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sonnyg80
i think they have a viable shot...their perimeter play is much better and faster than miami's. that'll be the heat's biggest weakness, but if Wade is back to form, Heat willl carry through.
04-19-2007, 10:04 AM
#78
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Originally Posted by FiftyFive
Well except for Washington . I like Howards enthusiasim going into the playoffs facing Detroit in the first round. Probably won't do much for him though.
. I like Howards enthusiasim going into the playoffs facing Detroit in the first round. Probably won't do much for him though.
04-19-2007, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by chinoz
Wow.. if Kidd hits his 3's.. then the raps don't have a chance.