Olympics: Chinese Accused of Using Underage Athletes **Medal Stripped (page 8)**
08-14-2008, 09:41 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Yeah they're cheating thier asses off. No way these girls are 16 and it's ridiculous the IOC won't do anything about it. It's obvious these girls are around 10, 11 or 12. Do they think we're that stupid? 
08-14-2008, 10:04 AM
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I don't think they are. Although I haven't read the previous 41 posts.
I dated a gymnast when she was 15/16 and she looked 12, maybe 13 at most. Kinda weird.
I dated a gymnast when she was 15/16 and she looked 12, maybe 13 at most. Kinda weird.
08-14-2008, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by subinf
I don't think they are. Although I haven't read the previous 41 posts.
I dated a gymnast when she was 15/16 and she looked 12, maybe 13 at most. Kinda weird.
I dated a gymnast when she was 15/16 and she looked 12, maybe 13 at most. Kinda weird.
Read the posts.
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08-14-2008, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
A few of them definitely look questionable to me, but the smallest one seriously looks about 10, 12 at most. 68 pounds? WTF. This honestly does not surprise me, though. China is so wrapped up in making themselves look good for these Games that I don't doubt they'd cheat to win a few events. For a country that is so worried about saving face and being honorable, this is really truly a disgrace. And the IOC is even worse for not doing anything about it. They should be treating this just the same as doping, yet they are doing nothing, for fear of "offending" the host country. It's terrible.
With their attitude about the games in general and their obsession to dominate everyone by any means necessary, I don't think anyone can be surprised that some cheating allegations have come up.
I'm all about good competition, but cheating is just pathetic.
08-14-2008, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sho_nuff1997
The judges are Chinese, the gymnasts are underage, and the Chinese have 22 gold medals. Seems fair to me. 
The Chinese are not known at all to cheat at anything........from watches, to purses, to sunglasses, to software, to cars....to athletes......it's quite clear they abide by the rules.
08-14-2008, 10:27 AM
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Okay. What's the over/under on how many days until this story is all over Bill O'Reilly every night? Sending his producers to the houses of IOC officials, etc.
08-14-2008, 10:30 AM
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Take Phelps out of the picture the US would only have 5 golds, Cycling, Fencing, Shooting, Women's swimming and Pierson in individual swimming... not counting the Men's swim team. China either by the judges or players is dominating! In 2004 the US had 35 golds to China's 32, but we had 103 to 63 in total medals!
08-14-2008, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bdog
Take Phelps out of the picture the US would only have 5 golds, Cycling, Fencing, Shooting, Women's swimming and Pierson in individual swimming... not counting the Men's swim team. China either by the judges or players is dominating! In 2004 the US had 35 golds to China's 32, but we had 103 to 63 in total medals!
08-14-2008, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Trackruner228
Well I guess this proves "its not whether you win or lose but how you play the game" is the biggest BS ever.
08-14-2008, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
08-14-2008, 11:09 AM
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I'm asian and even I have a hard time believing that the girl in the far right on the OP's picture is 16. I'd say probably 13 or 14 at most.
With that being said, what can we do? The Chinese issued Passports said they're 16. You expect the Olympic committee to start a full on investigation into the Chinese government and their issuance of forged passports? Yeah right. It's not like testing for steroids, where you subject an athlete to a blood/urine test; no committee is going to even suggest investigating a nation's government.
Also, did many of you guys watch the Women's gymnastics team finals? In all honesty, the USA lost it for themselves. My beloved Alicia Sacramone fell twice: once on her mount onto the balance beam, and then another time during her floor routine.
Yeah there's the whole, "If China didn't exist, the US would've won Gold" argument. But honestly it just comes off as whining. At the end of the day, those supposedly 16 year old Chinese girls were outstanding gymnasts and deserved the Gold. I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
With that being said, what can we do? The Chinese issued Passports said they're 16. You expect the Olympic committee to start a full on investigation into the Chinese government and their issuance of forged passports? Yeah right. It's not like testing for steroids, where you subject an athlete to a blood/urine test; no committee is going to even suggest investigating a nation's government.
Also, did many of you guys watch the Women's gymnastics team finals? In all honesty, the USA lost it for themselves. My beloved Alicia Sacramone fell twice: once on her mount onto the balance beam, and then another time during her floor routine.
Yeah there's the whole, "If China didn't exist, the US would've won Gold" argument. But honestly it just comes off as whining. At the end of the day, those supposedly 16 year old Chinese girls were outstanding gymnasts and deserved the Gold. I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
08-14-2008, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroPSI
Not like they don't do the same thing here and every other place....I also think the girls are very young, and it is said that they are picked at 3 yrs of age. USA cheats too....
08-14-2008, 11:12 AM
#59
Originally Posted by BraveDemon
I'm asian and even I have a hard time believing that the girl in the far right on the OP's picture is 16. I'd say probably 13 or 14 at most.
With that being said, what can we do? The Chinese issued Passports said they're 16. You expect the Olympic committee to start a full on investigation into the Chinese government and their issuance of forged passports? Yeah right. It's not like testing for steroids, where you subject an athlete to a blood/urine test; no committee is going to even suggest investigating a nation's government.
Also, did many of you guys watch the Women's gymnastics team finals? In all honesty, the USA lost it for themselves. My beloved Alicia Sacramone fell twice: once on her mount onto the balance beam, and then another time during her floor routine.
Yeah there's the whole, "If China didn't exist, the US would've won Gold" argument. But honestly it just comes off as whining. At the end of the day, those supposedly 16 year old Chinese girls were outstanding gymnasts and deserved the Gold. I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
With that being said, what can we do? The Chinese issued Passports said they're 16. You expect the Olympic committee to start a full on investigation into the Chinese government and their issuance of forged passports? Yeah right. It's not like testing for steroids, where you subject an athlete to a blood/urine test; no committee is going to even suggest investigating a nation's government.
Also, did many of you guys watch the Women's gymnastics team finals? In all honesty, the USA lost it for themselves. My beloved Alicia Sacramone fell twice: once on her mount onto the balance beam, and then another time during her floor routine.
Yeah there's the whole, "If China didn't exist, the US would've won Gold" argument. But honestly it just comes off as whining. At the end of the day, those supposedly 16 year old Chinese girls were outstanding gymnasts and deserved the Gold. I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
08-14-2008, 11:15 AM
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I will say this, I think thatthe gymnastics girls had a few girls that should not have competed age wise. However, I do respect the skill sets that these KIDS have accomplished at such a young age. To think by the time the next games roll around they will be seasoned vets at the olympics. I think theymay have cheated age wise but, they damn sure had the skills to win. That very young girl doing the uneven bars, NO ONE could do the stuff that she does (no age matters when you that type of skill) Do I think they cheated yes, but in a way no. They may have lied about the age but the girls damn sure earned their place on the world stage IMHO.
08-14-2008, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by evilone
I will say this, I think thatthe gymnastics girls had a few girls that should not have competed age wise. However, I do respect the skill sets that these KIDS have accomplished at such a young age. To think by the time the next games roll around they will be seasoned vets at the olympics. I think theymay have cheated age wise but, they damn sure had the skills to win. That very young girl doing the uneven bars, NO ONE could do the stuff that she does (no age matters when you that type of skill) Do I think they cheated yes, but in a way no. They may have lied about the age but the girls damn sure earned their place on the world stage IMHO.
08-14-2008, 11:23 AM
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carbon dating? 
08-14-2008, 11:26 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
The girls definitely earned the medal there's no question about that. It's about sportsmanship though. Look at the article about the shooting event, it seems this mentality is everywhere.
08-14-2008, 11:26 AM
#64
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
I'm asian and even I have a hard time believing that the girl in the far right on the OP's picture is 16. I'd say probably 13 or 14 at most.
Originally Posted by BraveDemon
With that being said, what can we do? The Chinese issued Passports said they're 16. You expect the Olympic committee to start a full on investigation into the Chinese government and their issuance of forged passports? Yeah right. It's not like testing for steroids, where you subject an athlete to a blood/urine test; no committee is going to even suggest investigating a nation's government.
what can they do?or perhaps the better question is what would they be willing to do?
it's like everyone's tiptoeing around china and their "coming out party" and doesn't want to offend them.
Also, did many of you guys watch the Women's gymnastics team finals? In all honesty, the USA lost it for themselves. My beloved Alicia Sacramone fell twice: once on her mount onto the balance beam, and then another time during her floor routine.
Yeah there's the whole, "If China didn't exist, the US would've won Gold" argument. But honestly it just comes off as whining. At the end of the day, those supposedly 16 year old Chinese girls were outstanding gymnasts and deserved the Gold. I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
Yeah there's the whole, "If China didn't exist, the US would've won Gold" argument. But honestly it just comes off as whining. At the end of the day, those supposedly 16 year old Chinese girls were outstanding gymnasts and deserved the Gold. I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
but i don't think the issue is "if china didn't exist, the US would have won the gold."
to me, the bigger issue is that china, allegedly, broke the rules. and that's a problem for me.
i could care less if japan or russia or whomever finished second.
with that said, however, the girls were amazing.
and a 16-20 year old may be stronger, but read the rest of the thread.
a younger girl is more flexible and lighter. and as mentioned, puberty (bewbs, butt, thighs, etc) creates a difference in balance and tumbling. very similar to figure skating.
08-14-2008, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sho_nuff1997
The judges are Chinese, the gymnasts are underage, and the Chinese have 22 gold medals. Seems fair to me.
Either way, being chinese myself, these girls look to me like they are 9-10 yr olds no kidding. Are they earning the medals? Yes. It's going to be tough to prove their age with the Chinese gov't involved. At least the steriod users were of age
08-14-2008, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by elessar
So she's 14 years old now. Oops...
08-14-2008, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
and a 16-20 year old may be stronger, but read the rest of the thread.
a younger girl is more flexible and lighter. and as mentioned, puberty (bewbs, butt, thighs, etc) creates a difference in balance and tumbling. very similar to figure skating.
a younger girl is more flexible and lighter. and as mentioned, puberty (bewbs, butt, thighs, etc) creates a difference in balance and tumbling. very similar to figure skating.
Oh noes!
08-14-2008, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by evilone
I will say this, I think thatthe gymnastics girls had a few girls that should not have competed age wise. However, I do respect the skill sets that these KIDS have accomplished at such a young age. To think by the time the next games roll around they will be seasoned vets at the olympics. I think theymay have cheated age wise but, they damn sure had the skills to win. That very young girl doing the uneven bars, NO ONE could do the stuff that she does (no age matters when you that type of skill) Do I think they cheated yes, but in a way no. They may have lied about the age but the girls damn sure earned their place on the world stage IMHO.
is everyone bitter that a 13-14 yr old girl was good enough to pwn everyone and would this even be a topic of discussion if China didn't even metal??? i can understand if they are understating ages to get more senior and experienced girls to dominate junior leagues but this just goes to show that a 13-14 yr old girl was able to push her skill beyond the limit of anyone beyond her level... if she is good enough to compete with those of 16 yr olds then hell yes let her...
if the gov't worked to falsify her age in order to get her on the team, i agree that it isn't right. perhaps the right thing to do was appeal the age requirement to the IOC... but noone can doubt that she and the China team is not good enough to kick butt and earn those golds...
08-14-2008, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BraveDemon
I still don't understand why a 14 year old gymnast would/could out perform a 16/18/20 year old? The only real argument I read was that younger girls are more fearless, but physically you have to figure a 16-20 year old should be much stronger.
At least according to the sources quoted in the NY Times stories.
08-14-2008, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
but noone can doubt that she and the China team is not good enough to kick butt and earn those golds...
That entire argument is thrown out the window when there isn't a level playing field. Which is the reason why there's an age requirement, drug testing, etc.
China is playing by their own set of rules. Period.
08-14-2008, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
So the million dollar question is do these chinese kids have Drivers licenses too?
Unless their driving themselves to practice, I doubt it.
08-14-2008, 11:46 AM
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those 30lbs could also be due to genetic differences? I'm 5'11 and 145 lbs, and I use 85 dumbbells when I bench press (3 sets of 10). I don't look like a guy who can bench press 170 with dumbbells; I'm usually the thinnest guy who works out at the heavy end of the weight racks.
I get plenty of looks from much larger guys who are surprised that I can use the same weights they are.But yeah mrsteve. It disgusts me that the Chinese government would cheat just to earn a chance to be on the world stage. I'm disgusted with China more than I am with those girls who competed. At least our Olympic atheletes are hotter then theirs.
08-14-2008, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
i agree
is everyone bitter that a 13-14 yr old girl was good enough to pwn everyone and would this even be a topic of discussion if China didn't even metal??? i can understand if they are understating ages to get more senior and experienced girls to dominate junior leagues but this just goes to show that a 13-14 yr old girl was able to push her skill beyond the limit of anyone beyond her level... if she is good enough to compete with those of 16 yr olds then hell yes let her...
if the gov't worked to falsify her age in order to get her on the team, i agree that it isn't right. perhaps the right thing to do was appeal the age requirement to the IOC... but noone can doubt that she and the China team is not good enough to kick butt and earn those golds...
is everyone bitter that a 13-14 yr old girl was good enough to pwn everyone and would this even be a topic of discussion if China didn't even metal??? i can understand if they are understating ages to get more senior and experienced girls to dominate junior leagues but this just goes to show that a 13-14 yr old girl was able to push her skill beyond the limit of anyone beyond her level... if she is good enough to compete with those of 16 yr olds then hell yes let her...
if the gov't worked to falsify her age in order to get her on the team, i agree that it isn't right. perhaps the right thing to do was appeal the age requirement to the IOC... but noone can doubt that she and the China team is not good enough to kick butt and earn those golds...
and personally, yes, it still would be an issue to me if china didn't even win a medal.
true, if they're good enough to compete against older girls, that's great. but rules are rules.
08-14-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
How many other teams would be good enough to beat China if they too cheated?
That entire argument is thrown out the window when there isn't a level playing field. Which is the reason why there's an age requirement, drug testing, etc.
China is playing by their own set of rules. Period.
That entire argument is thrown out the window when there isn't a level playing field. Which is the reason why there's an age requirement, drug testing, etc.
China is playing by their own set of rules. Period.
As did the former USSR and the satellite Countries, as soon as The Wall fell, so did their athletes on winning in International competition. Playing by the rules.
08-14-2008, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
i don't think anyone is bitter that the chinese girls won the gold and/or beat the US, and i think we all agree that the athletes deserve our respect for doing so well.
and personally, yes, it still would be an issue to me if china didn't even win a medal.
true, if they're good enough to compete against older girls, that's great. but rules are rules.
and personally, yes, it still would be an issue to me if china didn't even win a medal.
true, if they're good enough to compete against older girls, that's great. but rules are rules.
08-14-2008, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RaviNJCLs
I'm having problems believing they are 16. I say cut their legs off and count the rings. You can do that, right? 
also i think this should be in the sport area, since its related to the olympic