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#841
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Sorry Stealers fans, survey says... (drumroll)...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...e&pollId=35171
The referees were jackasses. Almost half of Pennsylvania and West Virginia even agree to that. If you Pittsburgh fans are so rabid that you turn a blind eye to the facts, then you're not doing the sport any favors. I like the Steelers, but I wanted Seattle to win this one. But I would rather have had the Seahawks lose a fairly officiated game than win a biased one. Too bad so many Stealers fans can't say the same thing.
If you think it's only Seahawks fans who are crying foul, then:
1.) Check the link above ^^^
2.) Check these links below:
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192
You can argue that the refs called a clean game if you want, but it will only make you look as stupid as they did. More stupid in fact, because you've had the benefit of replays ad nauseum and still stand beside it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...e&pollId=35171
The referees were jackasses. Almost half of Pennsylvania and West Virginia even agree to that. If you Pittsburgh fans are so rabid that you turn a blind eye to the facts, then you're not doing the sport any favors. I like the Steelers, but I wanted Seattle to win this one. But I would rather have had the Seahawks lose a fairly officiated game than win a biased one. Too bad so many Stealers fans can't say the same thing.
If you think it's only Seahawks fans who are crying foul, then:
1.) Check the link above ^^^
2.) Check these links below:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/fl...e&pollId=35171
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192
You can argue that the refs called a clean game if you want, but it will only make you look as stupid as they did. More stupid in fact, because you've had the benefit of replays ad nauseum and still stand beside it.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
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Damn nomatter where you go. Esph, fox,cnn, local, national,. The story isn;t the superbowl, its the superbowl officiating.
I think something might happen in the off season with the fuckin refs finally. It will be for ever refered to as the seahawk factor!
I think something might happen in the off season with the fuckin refs finally. It will be for ever refered to as the seahawk factor!
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Originally Posted by seattle dale
Damn nomatter where you go. Esph, fox,cnn, local, national,. The story isn;t the superbowl, its the superbowl officiating.
I think something might happen in the off season with the fuckin refs finally. It will be for ever refered to as the seahawk factor!
I think something might happen in the off season with the fuckin refs finally. It will be for ever refered to as the seahawk factor!
The "push off" - Correct call, but probably would not have been called if it wasn't done in front of a ref and if it didn't result in a touchdown.
Ben's score - Very close play but the nose of the ball touched the goal line...which is a TD any way you look at it.
The hold - Bad call any way you look at it.
The low block - Bad call as well.
The fumble - very easy to confuse that a real fubme considering Foote barely touched him.
Bottom line, if Seattle would have closed drives, made the field goals and the tough catch, it may have been a different outcome. Also, YOUR team's coach poorly managed the game clock and the play calling during crunch time. Not a champion's performance if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
How do you get burned from a near stand still by both players?
It was a nice post up but there was no reason for him to create seperation. It was a nice pass outside of the defenders reach.. A quick judgement call by the ref and it became pass interference..
There are Many more refs on the field that could've overturned it.
The sad part is the refs don't make these calls during the season and as soon as the playoffs come there's all these newly enforced penalties. :shakehead
All the playoff games have been fucked up since the first game.
It was a nice post up but there was no reason for him to create seperation. It was a nice pass outside of the defenders reach.. A quick judgement call by the ref and it became pass interference..
There are Many more refs on the field that could've overturned it.
The sad part is the refs don't make these calls during the season and as soon as the playoffs come there's all these newly enforced penalties. :shakehead
All the playoff games have been fucked up since the first game.
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Originally Posted by cazzy
The officals made mistakes...they are human so get over it.
The "push off" - Correct call, but probably would not have been called if it wasn't done in front of a ref and if it didn't result in a touchdown.
Ben's score - Very close play but the nose of the ball touched the goal line...which is a TD any way you look at it.
The hold - Bad call any way you look at it.
The low block - Bad call as well.
The fumble - very easy to confuse that a real fubme considering Foote barely touched him.
Bottom line, if Seattle would have closed drives, made the field goals and the tough catch, it may have been a different outcome. Also, YOUR team's coach poorly managed the game clock and the play calling during crunch time. Not a champion's performance if you ask me.
The "push off" - Correct call, but probably would not have been called if it wasn't done in front of a ref and if it didn't result in a touchdown.
Ben's score - Very close play but the nose of the ball touched the goal line...which is a TD any way you look at it.
The hold - Bad call any way you look at it.
The low block - Bad call as well.
The fumble - very easy to confuse that a real fubme considering Foote barely touched him.
Bottom line, if Seattle would have closed drives, made the field goals and the tough catch, it may have been a different outcome. Also, YOUR team's coach poorly managed the game clock and the play calling during crunch time. Not a champion's performance if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
Both the defender AND the receiver had stopped moving. The defender was all over him, and the receiver had nowhere to go, he extended his arm to create space. The defender's momentum was leaning in the right direction, but the push-off stalled him, just enough to create space for the pass. It didn't take much but it got the job done.
Too bad he did it right in front of the official because that kinda thing probably happens on about 80% off all pass plays, and only gets called on less than half of those.
Too bad he did it right in front of the official because that kinda thing probably happens on about 80% off all pass plays, and only gets called on less than half of those.
I just finished watching an entire night of ESPN and BDSS, and it's too bad that everyone...I mean EVERYONE fomr NFL players to the anchors, to the talk hosts, to the sports columnits, thnks the poor officiating had serious affects on the outcome. I can't rember the last time there was this much controversy about poor officiating - and that so many people agree across the board about it.
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50.7% F
24.4% D
14.0% C
8.9% B
2.0% A
2) How do you rate the overall state of officiating in the NFL?
34.4% Average
32.5% Bad
19.3% Good
11.8% Abysmal
2.0% Excellent
3) Did the officiating in Sunday's game unfairly favor one team?
79.3% Unfairly favored the Steelers
16.1% The right calls were made
4.7% Unfairly favored the Seahawks
4) Which played the biggest role in determining the outcome of the game?
57.6% Officials missing calls
28.5% Seahawks not making plays
13.9% Steelers making plays
5) Do you think the official made the right call on Darrell Jackson's offensive pass interference in the endzone, negating a Seattle touchdown in the first quarter?
74.0% No
20.3% Yes
5.7% I'm not sure
6) Do you think the football broke the plane of the goal line on Ben Roethlisberger's touchdown run in the second quarter?
59.3% No
26.3% Yes
14.4% I'm not sure
7) Do you think the official made the right call on Sean Locklear's holding penalty in the fourth quarter, negating an 18-yard reception to the one-yard line by Jerramy Stevens?
74.6% No
14.9% Yes
10.5% I'm not sure
8) Do you feel that you understand what constitutes a ''football move'' on plays involving potential fumbles?
64.1% Yes
35.9% No
9) How much would creating full-time officiating positions, instead of the current part-time positions, help improve the quality of NFL officiating?
45.2% A lot
42.8% A little
12.1% Not at all
10) Which major sport has the best officials?
45.0% MLB
22.9% NHL
20.5% NBA
11.5% NFL
Total Votes: 110,975
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Originally Posted by seattle dale
One thing no one talks about, is on the touchdown taken away from jackson, on the so called "push off" is what that db or saftey was doing to jackson while the ball was being thrown. There was blatent & obvious pass interference, dude was all over jackson. I want you all to do me a favor 'cause the video don't lie. Replay that play & watch the pittsburg DB while the ball was being thrown & what he was doing to jackson. Point proven, the ref just saw what he wanted to see. After watching the replay of that play can anyone tell me why it is not defensive pass interference. They where both jockying for position. The rule states our receiver can not be touched until the ball arrives. Looked like a mugging in an alley in Newyork! Watch it then tell me i'm wrong.
#851
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yes, a good football team would've brushed off the offensive pass interference call in the 1st quarter. they would've survived a very questionable touchdown play too. and just about when the good football team completed a pass to the 1 yard line, the refs take away a 1st and goal to make it 1st and 20. from the 1 yard line, the seahawks are one of if not the very best at converting it into a TD.
Go back and watch the game. Listen to Madden, Young and even Steeler fanboy-Irvin. They all said that those penalties were bad calls.
But I'm not bitter.
Go back and watch the game. Listen to Madden, Young and even Steeler fanboy-Irvin. They all said that those penalties were bad calls.
But I'm not bitter.
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Originally Posted by cazzy
The officals made mistakes...they are human so get over it.
The "push off" - Correct call, but probably would not have been called if it wasn't done in front of a ref and if it didn't result in a touchdown.
The "push off" - Correct call, but probably would not have been called if it wasn't done in front of a ref and if it didn't result in a touchdown.
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Originally Posted by cazzy
I will watch a replay again tomorrow morning. On the other hand, tell me I am wrong that Seattle didn't beat them selves in many aspects of the game. Champions make the tough catches. Champions make field goals. Champions close drives. Champion caliber coaches manage the clock and put their teams in the best position to score points.
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Originally Posted by lowpost
Bad call according to Willie Mcguiness, Tom Jackson, Ron Jaworski, Michael Irvin, Eddie Gorge, shit...who else tonight.....Rodney pete, everson walls....and the rest of the football world
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The point is this - take the bad calls away - would the Hawks win? Maybe not. It would definietely have been closer. But what killed the Hawks was that the bad calls always came at a critical time for the Hawks, which either stopped theri momentum, or gave Pittsbrugh some, and that's how the Hawks got jacked.
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Originally Posted by cmark
bottom line, Steelers vs Seahawks = Seahawks win
Steelers + refs vs Seahawks = Superbowl XLame
Steelers + refs vs Seahawks = Superbowl XLame
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#859
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Originally Posted by cmark
Yea, we had #2, #4 and #7 all from the Indy game and won..
#861
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Originally Posted by cazzy
I will watch a replay again tomorrow morning. On the other hand, tell me I am wrong that Seattle didn't beat them selves in many aspects of the game. Champions make the tough catches. Champions make field goals. Champions close drives. Champion caliber coaches manage the clock and put their teams in the best position to score points.
#862
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3. Brain-lock on Locklear
Just when it looked like the Seahawks might weather the offensive pass interference call on Jackson and a suspect holding call on a big punt return and take a fourth-quarter lead, Leavy came to the Steelers' rescue. Matt Hasselbeck had delivered a strike to Jerramy Stevens, which the nervous, footstep-hearing tight end had managed to haul in for a first-and-goal at the 1. But wait. Leavy wiped out the play by calling a holding penalty on Locklear. Replays revealed that Locklear had used a popular technique called "blocking" to keep the Steeler pass rusher off his quarterback. With yet another certain touchdown taken off the board, the Seahawks were dead.
Honorable mention: The 15-yard penalty on Matt Hasselbeck for merely tackling Ike Taylor on the subsequent interception return may have been the worst call in the entire postseason. But with so many other major officiating mistakes happening around it, it kind of got lost in the wash of yellow laundry.
(He should have said "to keep the OFFSIDES Steeler pass rusher off his quarterback..."
Just when it looked like the Seahawks might weather the offensive pass interference call on Jackson and a suspect holding call on a big punt return and take a fourth-quarter lead, Leavy came to the Steelers' rescue. Matt Hasselbeck had delivered a strike to Jerramy Stevens, which the nervous, footstep-hearing tight end had managed to haul in for a first-and-goal at the 1. But wait. Leavy wiped out the play by calling a holding penalty on Locklear. Replays revealed that Locklear had used a popular technique called "blocking" to keep the Steeler pass rusher off his quarterback. With yet another certain touchdown taken off the board, the Seahawks were dead.
Honorable mention: The 15-yard penalty on Matt Hasselbeck for merely tackling Ike Taylor on the subsequent interception return may have been the worst call in the entire postseason. But with so many other major officiating mistakes happening around it, it kind of got lost in the wash of yellow laundry.
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
Pic #2 has what looks to be a hold. #3 his kness are buckling from it and #4 his hands look in the face mask..
I saw that play several times in replay from several different angles - just like the rest of the world did - and only the zebras and Stealers fans could imagine a hold had taken place - and ignore the offsides.
And now Jonesi (and all other Pitt fans), there is one play I haven't heard you guys talk about much. It's not the most detrimental call (although it wound up hurting Seattle a lot in subsequent plays), but it is the most telling call - the one most indicative of officiating bias: Hasselbeck's personal foul.
Please explain to me how that was worthy of a 15 yard penalty. (If you can rationalize that away, you need to be in a padded cell.)
You can dismiss all the other bad calls if you want (it would take a lot of brainwashing to do so, but there you are), but you simply CANNOT justify 15 yards for tackling the ball carrier. You can't say he deserved it, and you can't say that the ref "made a mistake." It was an intentional, malicious decision by the entire officiating crew to hurt Seattle. One bonehead threw the flag, and all of the others nodded in approval. TOTAL
Can you explain how a rational fair-minded referee could make such a call? I say the reason he got flagged is because the ref was mad that the interception wasn't run back all the way for a touchdown.
Also, how about the non-call on Rothlisberger's delay of game? The play clock was CLEARLY down to zero. Undeniably. But then Ben signaled for a timeout and it was granted. This avoided a 5 yard penalty and kept the time-draining drive alive for the Stealers. You can't deny that one either. The refs kept the drive alive to prevent Seattle from getting the ball back. Intentionally.
You say the refs are human and make mistakes. The personal foul was most certainly not a mistake, but deliberate. As for all the other bad calls or non-calls, the fact that they invariably went against Seattle is called BIAS. If all your "mistakes" favor one side, they aren't mistakes at all.
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Pic #2 has what looks to be a hold. #3 his kness are buckling from it and #4 his hands look in the face mask..
This was the first holding call which I think was holding. The second one when they completed a pass that would have made it first and goal was the more disputed one.
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I don't have any other stills that I can find offsides. I will search for you though..
I agree the Personal foul wasn't the correct call. But Ward still had the safety beat pretty bad which probably should have resulted in a TD.
I'll have to search for the delay of game to see if it was called a timeout..
I agree the Personal foul wasn't the correct call. But Ward still had the safety beat pretty bad which probably should have resulted in a TD.
I'll have to search for the delay of game to see if it was called a timeout..
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Originally Posted by 03 CLS
This was the first holding call which I think was holding. The second one when they completed a pass that would have made it first and goal was the more disputed one.
The pictures are from the more disputed one..
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I never said it was the best called game.. We were there against Indy in the same boat.. I'm just providing visual evidence for discussion that is all..
#871
As a neutral fan, but sentimental towards the Steelers, they were given a whole bunch of gifts from the refs. Those bad calls just sap away any momentum you can muster.
I think the whole Superbowl referee crew should be sent packing. There are so many better refs I've seen this season than this crew.
I think the whole Superbowl referee crew should be sent packing. There are so many better refs I've seen this season than this crew.
#872
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
I don't have any other stills that I can find offsides. I will search for you though..
I agree the Personal foul wasn't the correct call. But Ward still had the safety beat pretty bad which probably should have resulted in a TD.
I'll have to search for the delay of game to see if it was called a timeout..
I agree the Personal foul wasn't the correct call. But Ward still had the safety beat pretty bad which probably should have resulted in a TD.
I'll have to search for the delay of game to see if it was called a timeout..
Ward wasn't even on the field.
I'm talking about the play after the pass to the 1 was revoked by the holding call. Hasselbeck threw the interception and then tackled the guy who intercepted it. He was then flagged 15 yards for an "illegal block below the waist," even though he was tackling the ball carrier. What does that have to do with Ward?
#873
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
Ahem. Show me the offsides, please. #53 was offsides on that play. AND the one before. Let's see the shots, please. That should have been a free play, and Seattle would have had the ball on the 1. It would with high probability have been a Seattle touchdown shortly thereafter. But the refs couldn't have that, so they flagged the play.
I saw that play several times in replay from several different angles - just like the rest of the world did - and only the zebras and Stealers fans could imagine a hold had taken place - and ignore the offsides.
And now Jonesi (and all other Pitt fans), there is one play I haven't heard you guys talk about much. It's not the most detrimental call (although it wound up hurting Seattle a lot in subsequent plays), but it is the most telling call - the one most indicative of officiating bias: Hasselbeck's personal foul.
Please explain to me how that was worthy of a 15 yard penalty. (If you can rationalize that away, you need to be in a padded cell.)
You can dismiss all the other bad calls if you want (it would take a lot of brainwashing to do so, but there you are), but you simply CANNOT justify 15 yards for tackling the ball carrier. You can't say he deserved it, and you can't say that the ref "made a mistake." It was an intentional, malicious decision by the entire officiating crew to hurt Seattle. One bonehead threw the flag, and all of the others nodded in approval. TOTAL
Can you explain how a rational fair-minded referee could make such a call? I say the reason he got flagged is because the ref was mad that the interception wasn't run back all the way for a touchdown.
Also, how about the non-call on Rothlisberger's delay of game? The play clock was CLEARLY down to zero. Undeniably. But then Ben signaled for a timeout and it was granted. This avoided a 5 yard penalty and kept the time-draining drive alive for the Stealers. You can't deny that one either. The refs kept the drive alive to prevent Seattle from getting the ball back. Intentionally.
You say the refs are human and make mistakes. The personal foul was most certainly not a mistake, but deliberate. As for all the other bad calls or non-calls, the fact that they invariably went against Seattle is called BIAS. If all your "mistakes" favor one side, they aren't mistakes at all.
I saw that play several times in replay from several different angles - just like the rest of the world did - and only the zebras and Stealers fans could imagine a hold had taken place - and ignore the offsides.
And now Jonesi (and all other Pitt fans), there is one play I haven't heard you guys talk about much. It's not the most detrimental call (although it wound up hurting Seattle a lot in subsequent plays), but it is the most telling call - the one most indicative of officiating bias: Hasselbeck's personal foul.
Please explain to me how that was worthy of a 15 yard penalty. (If you can rationalize that away, you need to be in a padded cell.)
You can dismiss all the other bad calls if you want (it would take a lot of brainwashing to do so, but there you are), but you simply CANNOT justify 15 yards for tackling the ball carrier. You can't say he deserved it, and you can't say that the ref "made a mistake." It was an intentional, malicious decision by the entire officiating crew to hurt Seattle. One bonehead threw the flag, and all of the others nodded in approval. TOTAL
Can you explain how a rational fair-minded referee could make such a call? I say the reason he got flagged is because the ref was mad that the interception wasn't run back all the way for a touchdown.
Also, how about the non-call on Rothlisberger's delay of game? The play clock was CLEARLY down to zero. Undeniably. But then Ben signaled for a timeout and it was granted. This avoided a 5 yard penalty and kept the time-draining drive alive for the Stealers. You can't deny that one either. The refs kept the drive alive to prevent Seattle from getting the ball back. Intentionally.
You say the refs are human and make mistakes. The personal foul was most certainly not a mistake, but deliberate. As for all the other bad calls or non-calls, the fact that they invariably went against Seattle is called BIAS. If all your "mistakes" favor one side, they aren't mistakes at all.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
Ward wasn't even on the field.
I'm talking about the play after the pass to the 1 was revoked by the holding call. Hasselbeck threw the interception and then tackled the guy who intercepted it. He was then flagged 15 yards for an "illegal block below the waist," even though he was tackling the ball carrier. What does that have to do with Ward?
I was saying the 15 yds really didn't matter because two players later came the trick play which probably would've been a TD..
Although I agreed it was a bad call..
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
I was saying the 15 yds really didn't matter because two players later came the trick play which probably would've been a TD..
Although I agreed it was a bad call..
Although I agreed it was a bad call..
Yes, that trick play was a good one and it definitely worked. But if not for three bad calls in a row (1 - not calling offside on Pitt, 2 - calling holding on Seattle, 3 - advancing Pitt 15 yards on a total BS personal foul) then that trick play would never have had the opportunity to happen like it did.
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all of you who are saying that all the espn guys are saying it was a bad officiated game, they are also saying that jerramy stevens should not have talked pregame because he didn't back it up on the field.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
all of you who are saying that all the espn guys are saying it was a bad officiated game, they are also saying that jerramy stevens should not have talked pregame because he didn't back it up on the field.
Besides, Stevens made an awesome catch on the 1 yard line which the refs took away.
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I can't dispute the offisides (although it was close) or the hasselback 15yder. But anytime the O lineman uses the crook of his elbow (i.e. hugging him with one arm) to prevent the defender from continuing his pass rush, it's holding. You don't have to tackle the guy to get called for holding.
I'm horrible at noticing holding calls without seeing 3 replays, but I picked up on both of those by just watching the live action.
I'm horrible at noticing holding calls without seeing 3 replays, but I picked up on both of those by just watching the live action.
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Originally Posted by Mike97 3.0P
I can't dispute the offisides (although it was close) or the hasselback 15yder. But anytime the O lineman uses the crook of his elbow (i.e. hugging him with one arm) to prevent the defender from continuing his pass rush, it's holding. You don't have to tackle the guy to get called for holding.
I'm horrible at noticing holding calls without seeing 3 replays, but I picked up on both of those by just watching the live action.
I'm horrible at noticing holding calls without seeing 3 replays, but I picked up on both of those by just watching the live action.
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Originally Posted by Beoshingus
But in any case, even though you think you saw holding - you agree that it should have been a free play since the defensive lineman was offsides. Correct? Seattle should have had the ball on the 1 after the completion to Jerramy Stevens.