Joneill44

^ I cant complain though. I put up the most points this week by a long shot and still have Stevie Johnson going tonight

Just wish J Charles didnt get hurt

imj0257

iTrader: (1)

I'm up by 24 and have Stevie Johnson left. Other dude has Rivers and Lambo left.

Ideal scenario is Rivers throws a long TD to Stevie in the 1st quarter and then Rivers gets injured

I wouldn't even be in this scenario if I started DWILL!!!

Flipster23

iTrader: (15)

I'm down by 22.

I have Woodhead and Rivers left...

1Louder

Looks like we all want Rivers to throw Stevie about 4 TDs (but only Stevie).

I have Stevie, Langford and Lambo left.

Yumcha

@ Bears...

black label

I think their problem is they have a fundamental flaw in their game plan. One small change could turn this all around. All they need to do is stop sucking at football

Yumcha

Thanks, Cheat Lover. I think the entire universe knows that except the actual Bears team.

black label

You sure? Maybe we can get Stunna in here with some charts and graphs showing the Bears current level of sucking at football and some showing the level of sucking at football that allow a team to be successful.

Joneill44

Yummy tell Cutts I said thanks for hitting the over for me on that last TD

Yumcha

^ Should thank the Chargers for their ineptitude more than Cutler. Chargers shot themselves in the foot a few times.

black label

You should thank Stunna for emailing those charts directly to da' behr's bench.

NBP04TL4ME

They won -

imj0257

iTrader: (1)

Rivers sucked and I won my matchup.

1Louder

I will never deny Brady's rightful place on the list of best quarterbacks ever. And I strongly suspect he's also a decent guy in real life. I do think he handled "deflategate" poorly. I think he had full knowledge, and I think he destroyed evidence that proved it. I'd have more respect for him if he just owned up to it. But to your point, the NFL and Goodell handle these situations terribly as well. I think the Greg Hardy situation is far more alarming.

As time goes by deflategate is of less and less consequence IMO, as it probably should be given some of the serious issues with the league.

NSXNEXT

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Bears cheated. There is no other plausible explanation.

NBP04TL4ME

I agree with most of what you have said (typed). However, if by "destroying evidence" you mean getting rid of his cell phone, you have to remember he got the okay to do so from legal counsel first. You also have to remember his celebrity status and who he is married to. Also remember the emails he turned over that became public - i.e. - discussion over the color of the proposed $8000 pool cover......... If it was you, why would you voluntarily turn over items or information you weren't asked for and had already gotten the okay to dispose of.
Did he know more than he volunteered - probably, but I have no issue with him disposing of a cell phone with personal info on it after getting approval from legal counsel.

1Louder

^ Don't disagree, with may be the small exception about the phone. Basically his lawyers are saying it's OK to cover up cheating if disclosing the truth is too embarrassing. He shouldn't be allowed to evade scrutiny just because he's a celebrity and has a famous wife. That's the definition of rich and privileged.

NBP04TL4ME

^^^ I think we are more or less on the same page. I'm not advocating for the rich and famous, but at the same time they should be entitled to the same amount of privacy the rest of us regular folks are - not more, not less.
Assuming (yeah, I know) he is totally innocent (again, I know) there is nothing good that comes from him turning over his cell phone.
I think I have mentioned it in the thread previously - I carry two cell phones. One for work and one for personal stuff. There are many who say that's nuts, but I don't have to worry about anyone from work looking at how I am using their phone and won't be left phone-less when I leave my company.

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No, that's how you interpret it in your mind because you feel your team was cheated. His lawyers said, it's your personal phone, the league has no right to it and nothing good for you will come out of turning it over so don't.

They provided sound legal advice for their client, if you ever hire a lawyer you'll hope they do the same for you.

1Louder

I agree as well.

1Louder

To clarify this has nothing to do with my team or my feelings about the Superbowl. They picked us off and won the game fair and square.

So why destroy it rather than just not turn it over? There is no fundamental difference between the two. The NFL isn't going to break into his house and take it. There was no need to destroy it, unless there was something on there.

I'll just go back to my original statement - Brady handled this poorly as did the league. For Brady's part, his actions were more consistent with someone that had something to hide, not someone who was innocent. And in the past, the Patriots as a whole have cast enough doubt on their integrity that whatever benefit of the doubt that might have been afforded them is gone.

Following legal advice doesn't make it right. Sure, it may have been in his best interests and clearly something was on there he didn't want others to see (personal or otherwise). His lawyers aren't interested in the truth. They are interested in their client avoiding consequences. On that point they've been wildly successful.

black label

Maybe he destroyed it as a giant FU to Goodell who was clearly overstepping his actual disciplinary abilities. Or maybe he destroyed it so his private information wouldn't be made public by a group has repeatedly shown they have no idea how to secure information. Probably the latter but maybe a bit of the former as well.

1Louder

I'll just make this my parting shot and get off of it. Since no one appears to be in possession of conclusive evidence, which scenario is more likely?

Scenario 1: Equipment managers, acting purely on their own without any direction from the organization or knowledge/consent from Brady, under-inflated the one item Brady touches 60+ times a game.

Scenario 2: Brady prefers an under-inflated ball and the equipment managers set accordingly and got caught. As a precaution, Brady put enough distance between him and them such that tracing the direction to himself would be difficult.

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I go with most likely.

black label

How about neither of those options. Maybe we go with science like the ideal gas law which would explain why Brady, who likes the football closer to the low end, had footballs that measured below spec when tested at half time after being in the cold. This would also explain why 4 of the colts balls were also below spec after the 1st half.

Or are you also saying that Brady and the Pats equipment staff also conspire to release air from some of the colts footballs as well?

You have scientific evidence of what happens to a football whose inflation was measured in a warm environment that is subsequently left in a cold environment. You just choose to ignore it as it doesn't help your argument.

As a side note, when I worked for Acura we would get hundreds of calls after the first few cold days of winter from customers whose tire pressure monitoring system sent them a warning about low tire pressure. Based on your analysis, the only possible reason would be that Tom Brady in league with his equipment squad snuck out in the night to secretly release a few pounds of pressure from every Acura owners tires. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I go with most likely.

Flipster23

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Eff you Bears

Eff you Rivers

Eff you Chargers

1Louder

That scenario is entirely plausible. But if the science was that conclusive then why destroy the phone? That would have been an open and shut case - issue over.

And the Pats did pay a fine, and lose draft picks, right? Why accept that punishment if there was conclusive evidence to the contrary? I mean if the Pats wanted to delivery a real FU to the NFL, the science should all be there to throw it right in their face, right?

Unless it isn't. So while I agree that your scenario is a plausible explanation, why can't it be proven? You can put a ball in a lab and simulate the exact conditions. Done. In fact, I'm surprised no one has done it because you could literally do it in your home with a refrigerator if you had a sensitive enough device to measure psi. Unless of course it doesn't explain it.

Now I won't rule out the NFL and Goodell ignored science because they were too committed at that point and couldn't admit they made a mistake. Again, everyone handled it poorly.

Doom878

Eff you Deflategate talk

Yumcha

Notice it wasn't moi this time...?


Can't blame me for everyone.

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So if it wasn't science then the Patriots must have deflated the Colts balls too? You seem to find no other plausible explanation for the Pats balls being under inflated, I can only assume that your explanation also covers the Colts under inflated footballs as well.

Joneill44

I'm gone for 12hrs and this shit happens

Brady is the GOAT. Deflategate is all propaganda by the NFL to keep them in the news during the offseason

It never happened

imj0257

iTrader: (1)

Luck out 2-6 weeks with lacerated kidney.

Injuries GALORE!

1Louder

Why not. Maybe the Colts were playing this game too. Either nature did it or man did it. I'm perfectly fine with either explanation so long as it's the truth.

Honestly I'd be just fine if they said we just inflated the balls to the low end due to the inclement weather and nature pushed us over the edge. That's all Brady really had to say. But if this is so conclusive why isn't anyone pursuing it? There are what, 1000 colleges in the Boston area and not one undergrad with access to a football and a freezer isn't writing a paper on it?

If no one is going to run the facts to ground all we are left with is speculation based on the behaviors of those involved.

But I'm going on about this way more than I actually care about it anymore. It's done and we can move on. I'm just not going buy any of this "Brady is the maligned hero clawing his way to vindication by beating everyone out of spite" story line.

OK, back to the season.

Flipster23

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Brady is the cunt.

Joneill44

1Louder

Brady lovingly clutching a farm animal. Not the message I was expecting......

black label

Someone really should make this yummy's avatar. And by "someone", I certainly don't mean 97BlackAckTL, definitely not him. Maybe someone kinda like him but not actually him.

Joneill44

Yumcha

Why is Brady fondling Goat...!?

Joneill44

(Stoner Voice) Brady and the GOAT are one

Costco

Greg Hardy is the biggest fuckbag in the league right now.