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04-27-2006, 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by btsilver
kobe just put his nuts on steve nash
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04-27-2006, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
no, i just don't think the lakers will make it past the first round.And I do think last night's game was competitive. that's not what I was commenting on. Do I think the lakers can have that kind of game repeatedly, enough to win the series? No.
04-27-2006, 01:54 AM
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No way thats a charge.. Nash got there before he took off but I swear the rule is that if they cut off the player's path its a blocking foul. Nash stepped in as kobe did 2 steps to the basket cutting off his progress to the hoop. If nash was closer, it would have been different but you can see there he flew to get position. You cant just fly in front of them, when players do that it SHOULD NOT be a charge.
A lot of stupid calls go only by the lines in the key, its also about progress and cutting them off. So many unavoidable charges are called
A lot of stupid calls go only by the lines in the key, its also about progress and cutting them off. So many unavoidable charges are called
04-27-2006, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by h2o-pr00f
No way thats a charge.. Nash got there before he took off but I swear the rule is that if they cut off the player's path its a blocking foul. Nash stepped in as kobe did 2 steps to the basket cutting off his progress to the hoop. If nash was closer, it would have been different but you can see there he flew to get position. You cant just fly in front of them, when players do that it SHOULD NOT be a charge.
A lot of stupid calls go only by the lines in the key, its also about progress and cutting them off. So many unavoidable charges are called
A lot of stupid calls go only by the lines in the key, its also about progress and cutting them off. So many unavoidable charges are called
You can't cut off a players path? How the hell would you ever play defense?
If you can find that in the rulebook i will gladly read it.
04-27-2006, 02:29 AM
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http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_c....av=ArticleList
i understand what you are saying, and you are right. You are supposed to play D with your feet, cut them off. What I mean is.. example:
You are on the block, and somebody drives straight through the key. as they take thier legal 2 1/2 steps towards the basket before attempting a layup, you slide to the left and step in to take a charge. eventhough by the time he got in the air your feet were planted and set, you flew in out of nowhere while they were in progress.. thats a blocking foul.
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im not talking about this, im talking about how so many playeres nowdays slide in out of nowhere just to get a charge call, not to play actual D. its bs and dangerous
A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive play-er once he has started his shooting motion.
You are on the block, and somebody drives straight through the key. as they take thier legal 2 1/2 steps towards the basket before attempting a layup, you slide to the left and step in to take a charge. eventhough by the time he got in the air your feet were planted and set, you flew in out of nowhere while they were in progress.. thats a blocking foul.
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A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed and distance.
04-27-2006, 07:49 AM
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it was a close call, but that will RARELY get called a charge late in the playoffs, especially a kinda pussy move by nash. and especially since it was a close call and it was kobe. hell, if that was lebron they probably would have given him the foul and found a way to take away suns points
04-27-2006, 10:11 AM
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it was a makeup call cause if you look at the ref it looks like he called a charge while kobe was still hanging, then changed it. Either way I still think my rulebook posting stands and it was a blocking foul. Nash cut him off.. its in the book 
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Yeah no more of you bitches whining about the refs...it was all Laker calls last night and you know it. The Suns lost. Am I gonna sit here and say this and that? No. The Lakers stepped it up...they hit key shots when they needed to...although there was a no call on that loose ball foul by Kwame...
Anyway, makes for an interesting series....the Suns really are deficient in size v. the Lakers...and as long as the refs are gonna let the Lakers play bump and grab D....then its gonna be a series.
Im thinking at some point they are going to have to switch Marion off of Odom...and dare him to score (which he has been doing, nailing key treys)...or they are gonna play Odom 1 on 1.
I think I would rather have Marion making Odom play D and then just find someone that can body up Odom....switch Tim Thomas...and let Kwame be the hero (probably be a zero)...
Anyway, makes for an interesting series....the Suns really are deficient in size v. the Lakers...and as long as the refs are gonna let the Lakers play bump and grab D....then its gonna be a series.
Im thinking at some point they are going to have to switch Marion off of Odom...and dare him to score (which he has been doing, nailing key treys)...or they are gonna play Odom 1 on 1.
I think I would rather have Marion making Odom play D and then just find someone that can body up Odom....switch Tim Thomas...and let Kwame be the hero (probably be a zero)...
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Originally Posted by h2o-pr00f
it was a makeup call cause if you look at the ref it looks like he called a charge while kobe was still hanging, then changed it. Either way I still think my rulebook posting stands and it was a blocking foul. Nash cut him off.. its in the book
04-27-2006, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by slayer202
it was a close call, but that will RARELY get called a charge late in the playoffs, especially a kinda pussy move by nash. and especially since it was a close call and it was kobe. hell, if that was lebron they probably would have given him the foul and found a way to take away suns points
04-27-2006, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by moomaster_99
He was clearly planted and outside of the arc...he got to the position before Kobe left the floor. They showed in the replay. But no crying here, it was probably a make up call.
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Originally Posted by moomaster_99
How is it a pussy move??? It's not like Nash is gonna rise up and challenge Kobe on a dunk....
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Originally Posted by slayer202
well steve nash is a pussy, and his move was trying to step in front of kobe once he started his takeoff, making it a pussy move
04-27-2006, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by moomaster_99
...although there was a no call on that loose ball foul by Kwame...
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...and as long as the refs are gonna let the Lakers play bump and grab D....then its gonna be a series.
Originally Posted by moomaster_99
I think I would rather have Marion making Odom play D and then just find someone that can body up Odom....switch Tim Thomas...and let Kwame be the hero (probably be a zero)...
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Originally Posted by btsilver
what loose ball foul? He got undercut when he went for the loose ball.
umm what do you think the suns do?
Kwame would probably drop 25 on Marion.
umm what do you think the suns do?
Kwame would probably drop 25 on Marion.
I think they play poor defense, but I dont think they grab and shove....
Kwame is garbage...by saying that Kwame could score 25...you just showed that dont watch basketball. That kid is a bust....he's having a decent series, ill give him that, but he is garbage......
04-27-2006, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by moomaster_99
He ran over whoever had the loose ball. Did you watch the game? The one of the key pivotal moments when the ball was loose and he knocked over one of the Suns...and it was a no call.
I think they play poor defense, but I dont think they grab and shove....
Kwame is garbage...by saying that Kwame could score 25...you just showed that dont watch basketball. That kid is a bust....he's having a decent series, ill give him that, but he is garbage......
I think they play poor defense, but I dont think they grab and shove....
Kwame is garbage...by saying that Kwame could score 25...you just showed that dont watch basketball. That kid is a bust....he's having a decent series, ill give him that, but he is garbage......
kwame scoring 25 a game, possible, but certainly unlikely. i agree with you.
HOWEVER, he has been putting up solid numbers ever since chris mihm got injured. to end the regular season, i believe he was averaging around 15 and 9, while playing solid, solid defense. this is far more than the fans or phil jackson could have hoped and expected from kwame in his first season.
has he lived up to his number 1 draft billing yet, no. but, he is far from garbage. kid is still young.
04-27-2006, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GTKrockeTT
here we go again...
kwame scoring 25 a game, possible, but certainly unlikely. i agree with you.
HOWEVER, he has been putting up solid numbers ever since chris mihm got injured. to end the regular season, i believe he was averaging around 15 and 9, while playing solid, solid defense. this is far more than the fans or phil jackson could have hoped and expected from kwame in his first season.
has he lived up to his number 1 draft billing yet, no. but, he is far from garbage. kid is still young.
kwame scoring 25 a game, possible, but certainly unlikely. i agree with you.
HOWEVER, he has been putting up solid numbers ever since chris mihm got injured. to end the regular season, i believe he was averaging around 15 and 9, while playing solid, solid defense. this is far more than the fans or phil jackson could have hoped and expected from kwame in his first season.
has he lived up to his number 1 draft billing yet, no. but, he is far from garbage. kid is still young.
I mean really, he is 7' and 270lbs...there arent that many good big men in the league.....he should at least be above average.
I think what irritates me the most about Kwame...is that he is just plain clueless sometimes....its not like he isnt a big strong guy with some atheleticism....he just doesnt seem to know what to do.
BTW, im not really trying to hate on the Lakers...they won that game...fair and square, they stepped up....what the refs call is what they call...for the most part it was a pretty fairly called game.
04-27-2006, 06:57 PM
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as of late hes been averagine 14/9...thats pretty damn good considering what he has done in the past. and tough call with the kwame play. i think he might have gotten tripped up, and even then, in the playoffs they don't usually always call that inadvertant contact
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Originally Posted by moomaster_99
5 years in the league and No.1 overall draft pick. Bust. He is garbage. Until he does it for an entire season. At which time I will rescind my garbage label....
I mean really, he is 7' and 270lbs...there arent that many good big men in the league.....he should at least be above average.
I think what irritates me the most about Kwame...is that he is just plain clueless sometimes....its not like he isnt a big strong guy with some atheleticism....he just doesnt seem to know what to do.
BTW, im not really trying to hate on the Lakers...they won that game...fair and square, they stepped up....what the refs call is what they call...for the most part it was a pretty fairly called game.
I mean really, he is 7' and 270lbs...there arent that many good big men in the league.....he should at least be above average.
I think what irritates me the most about Kwame...is that he is just plain clueless sometimes....its not like he isnt a big strong guy with some atheleticism....he just doesnt seem to know what to do.
BTW, im not really trying to hate on the Lakers...they won that game...fair and square, they stepped up....what the refs call is what they call...for the most part it was a pretty fairly called game.
he AND lamar.however, he has a real coach now, not that wannabe doug collins.
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Originally Posted by moomaster_99
He ran over whoever had the loose ball. Did you watch the game? The one of the key pivotal moments when the ball was loose and he knocked over one of the Suns...and it was a no call.
I think they play poor defense, but I dont think they grab and shove....
Kwame is garbage...by saying that Kwame could score 25...you just showed that dont watch basketball. That kid is a bust....he's having a decent series, ill give him that, but he is garbage......
I think they play poor defense, but I dont think they grab and shove....
Kwame is garbage...by saying that Kwame could score 25...you just showed that dont watch basketball. That kid is a bust....he's having a decent series, ill give him that, but he is garbage......
tonight.. so many turnovers and nuggets had a shit game at home.. and they still hung in most of the game 
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Originally Posted by mamboking
Go bulls!!! Shaq is finding out that he can't turned it ON for the playoffs like he used to in his younger days...
They actually won a game! OMG, this is cause for celebration. And like typical NBA fashion we have to wait until sunday for the next game. The NBA is ruining the playoffs with these drawn out series. :fuckthenba:
04-28-2006, 10:59 AM
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Go bulls!!! Shaq is finding out that he can't turned it ON for the playoffs like he used to in his younger days...
His last year with the lakers against the Rockets he was actually held to 7 points. He still shot .500 but the foul trouble killed him playing 11 mins in 3 quarters. 
Perimeter defense on our team is horrible but we saw this coming. His 7 TO is pretty flukey considering he's one of the best passing centers all time. No excuse for his underachieving game. 
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silence because the bulls were still in those games. and its no surprise he can have big games, but its those shitty ones that are important. and LOL at best passing centers of all time. the only reason he gets assists is because of the double teams he draws. and that was just a laughable performance by him. next game he is gonna come out and wanna kill someone just like the rest of the heat team.
