NBA: 2010 Off-Season and Draft Discussion Thread
07-12-2010, 07:48 AM
#521
Team Owner
I'm hearing that Haslem got some nice offers most notably from Dallas. I know he wants to stay but we can't match these offers. That's one of my favorite all time Heat players.
07-12-2010, 09:37 AM
#522
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Thread Starter
^ ...and there goes your interior defense. Cuz, lordo knows...Bosh can't guard anyone. 
07-12-2010, 10:50 AM
#525
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
07-12-2010, 11:00 AM
#527
If LA did not draft Kobe, Shaq would have never left Orlando to go to LA. Well, he likely would have still left Orlando, but he would not have been a Laker in 1996.
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
edit: Paz beat me to it
07-12-2010, 12:13 PM
#529
I'm Down Right Fierce!
I heard a snipet of the rally in Miami and I heard Lebron talk about them winning 7-8 championships and Wade said that they are arguably the best trio to ever play the game. I know the adrenaline was rushing but they are hardly the best trio to ever play and lets start with one before you get carried away.
Although I will admit that they do have the potential to be the greatest.And yeah, as someone else pointed out, the odds of Miami winning next season at 8-1 is ridiculous. I had a friend who spent this past week in vegas text me that on friday evening.
I'm not about to count Miami out either. I think its a definite consensus that they will definitely make Play-offs, regardless of what their normal season looks like. I imagine their normal season to suffer from getting used to playstyles and synergy - but they should have alot of that sorted out before play offs.
If they do acquire Dfish (and thats a big "if" since Dfish appears to be more loyal then say James), keep Haslem, finalize Miller, I'd be so bold as to claim that they will clinch the east.
07-12-2010, 12:43 PM
#530
I'm Down Right Fierce!
Oh... and on a side note....
Reverend Jackson getting involved on all this LeBron v. Gilbert ridiculousness.
Seems like the saga continues....
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...s4vYROU425CobP
Reverend Jackson getting involved on all this LeBron v. Gilbert ridiculousness. Seems like the saga continues....
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...s4vYROU425CobP
07-12-2010, 12:49 PM
#531
Team Owner
There are other free agents to choose from.If LA did not draft Kobe, Shaq would have never left Orlando to go to LA. Well, he likely would have still left Orlando, but he would not have been a Laker in 1996.
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
Although I will admit that they do have the potential to be the greatest.And yeah, as someone else pointed out, the odds of Miami winning next season at 8-1 is ridiculous. I had a friend who spent this past week in vegas text me that on friday evening.
I'm not about to count Miami out either. I think its a definite consensus that they will definitely make Play-offs, regardless of what their normal season looks like. I imagine their normal season to suffer from getting used to playstyles and synergy - but they should have alot of that sorted out before play offs.
If they do acquire Dfish (and thats a big "if" since Dfish appears to be more loyal then say James), keep Haslem, finalize Miller, I'd be so bold as to claim that they will clinch the east.
07-12-2010, 01:41 PM
#532
If LA did not draft Kobe, Shaq would have never left Orlando to go to LA. Well, he likely would have still left Orlando, but he would not have been a Laker in 1996.
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
They were building a team around Kobe, and Shaq was a piece of the puzzle. Yes, he was a large piece... but LA was Kobe's team from the day they drafted him. Shaq shared the spotlight and leadership with him (but let's be honest, you can't win with a big man as your one and only star the way you can contend with just a star guard or forward), but Kobe proved it was his team when he forced Shaq out of LA and Kobe went on to win an additional 2 championships w/o him.
07-12-2010, 01:43 PM
#533
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Thread Starter
Raptors Make Some Trades
From TSN...
With Chris Bosh gone, Toronto Raptors general manager Bryan Colangelo is wasting no time overhauling his roster.
According to various reports, the Raptors are on the verge of shipping Hedo Turkoglu to Phoenix for guard Leandro Barbosa and forward Dwayne Jones. The Raptors would then reportedly ship forward Reggie Evans and guard Jose Calderon to the Charlotte Bobcats for forward Boris Diaw and centre Tyson Chandler.
The Toronto Star also adds that the Raptors will not have to use their $14.5 million trade exception acquired last week from the Miami Heat in the sign-and-trade deal for Bosh.
Turkoglu has stated he wants out of Toronto just one season after choosing to sign with the Raptors over the Portland Trail Blazers last summer. The six-foot-10 Turkish forward averaged just 11.3 points a game with Toronto last season - his lowest total since 2003-04.
He was also a healthy scratch in late March after reports surfaced that he was at a Toronto nightclub shortly after missing a game against Denver due to a stomach virus. He was also fined by the Raptors. Turkoglu is owed US$43.8 million over the next four years.
When on his game, Turkoglu is a versatile forward who could replace some of the offence Phoenix lost when Amare Stoudemire signed with the New York Knicks.
Barbosa, originally drafted by Colangelo in Phoenix, is a quick guard who has played six seasons with the Suns. The Brazilian played in 44 games last year, averaging 9.5 points and 2.6 assists per game. His best season was in 2006-07, when he averaged 18.1 points and four assists per game.
Chandler, a nine-year veteran who played with the Bobcats, New Orleans Hornets and Chicago Bulls, averaged 6.5 points and 6.3 rebounds a game last season.
The move would give the Raptors a handful of expiring contracts to clear salary room in a couple of seasons - Barbosa has two years and $14.7 million left on his deal, Diaw has two years and $18 million left and Chandler will be paid $13.1 million in his final season this year.
According to various reports, the Raptors are on the verge of shipping Hedo Turkoglu to Phoenix for guard Leandro Barbosa and forward Dwayne Jones. The Raptors would then reportedly ship forward Reggie Evans and guard Jose Calderon to the Charlotte Bobcats for forward Boris Diaw and centre Tyson Chandler.
The Toronto Star also adds that the Raptors will not have to use their $14.5 million trade exception acquired last week from the Miami Heat in the sign-and-trade deal for Bosh.
Turkoglu has stated he wants out of Toronto just one season after choosing to sign with the Raptors over the Portland Trail Blazers last summer. The six-foot-10 Turkish forward averaged just 11.3 points a game with Toronto last season - his lowest total since 2003-04.
He was also a healthy scratch in late March after reports surfaced that he was at a Toronto nightclub shortly after missing a game against Denver due to a stomach virus. He was also fined by the Raptors. Turkoglu is owed US$43.8 million over the next four years.
When on his game, Turkoglu is a versatile forward who could replace some of the offence Phoenix lost when Amare Stoudemire signed with the New York Knicks.
Barbosa, originally drafted by Colangelo in Phoenix, is a quick guard who has played six seasons with the Suns. The Brazilian played in 44 games last year, averaging 9.5 points and 2.6 assists per game. His best season was in 2006-07, when he averaged 18.1 points and four assists per game.
Chandler, a nine-year veteran who played with the Bobcats, New Orleans Hornets and Chicago Bulls, averaged 6.5 points and 6.3 rebounds a game last season.
The move would give the Raptors a handful of expiring contracts to clear salary room in a couple of seasons - Barbosa has two years and $14.7 million left on his deal, Diaw has two years and $18 million left and Chandler will be paid $13.1 million in his final season this year.
07-12-2010, 02:13 PM
#534
good riddance on Turkoglu. he was expensive garbage. Calderon should do well on the bobcats with their talent. hopefully Toronto can build through the draft b/c they'll probably be getting another nice pick this year + the 2 1st rounders they got from Miami
07-12-2010, 02:48 PM
#535
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (3)
while its true that the lakers are kobe's team now it was not kobe's team from the day he was "traded" to the lakers. When shaq was acquired it was his team and kobe didn't so much force shaq out there were several things that happened to make shaq want to leave 1) the lakers wanted to pay him about 10 million less than he wanted on his extension 2) his relationship with kobe had completely fell apart and they weren't that close to begin with. 3) phil jackson dedcided to leave and at the time shaq had said if phil leaves i will leave.
07-12-2010, 03:00 PM
#537
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07-12-2010, 03:08 PM
#538
Not sure, but I never considered it Shaq's team. Maybe b/c of the hype around Kobe.
07-12-2010, 03:14 PM
#539
Oh... and on a side note....
Reverend Jackson getting involved on all this LeBron v. Gilbert ridiculousness.
Seems like the saga continues....
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...s4vYROU425CobP
Reverend Jackson getting involved on all this LeBron v. Gilbert ridiculousness. Seems like the saga continues....
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knick...s4vYROU425CobP
07-12-2010, 03:22 PM
#540
I'm Down Right Fierce!
Now if Mike Miller is finalized and Dfish jumps ship to Miami....
07-12-2010, 03:28 PM
#542
I'm Down Right Fierce!
^ I'm like 95% sure that Dfish will stay in LA. But hey, who the hell knows. I was like 95% sure that no team would land all three, but Miami did.
What other Point guards are rumored?
With the randomness of the post season this summer.... I predict Steve Nash will buy out his contract and flee to Miami to win a championship before he gets too old.
I'm like 95% sure that Dfish will stay in LA. But hey, who the hell knows. I was like 95% sure that no team would land all three, but Miami did.What other Point guards are rumored?
With the randomness of the post season this summer.... I predict Steve Nash will buy out his contract and flee to Miami to win a championship before he gets too old.
07-12-2010, 03:42 PM
#544
Team Owner
So far I've heard Keyon Dooling, Jason Williams, Carlos Arroyo, CP3 jk , and some others. Preferably a defensive one or 3 point shooter since we have enough offense I think. 
, and some others. Preferably a defensive one or 3 point shooter since we have enough offense I think.
Nash
07-12-2010, 04:33 PM
#548
Engineer
Interesting article most of you will disagree with
http://m.miamiherald.com/mh/db_42948...hz9all&src=cat
And what's funny is that bill simmons agreed back in 07 with Boston making the move for the big 3. He was on the radio arguing with Dan Le Batard why miamis wouldn't work when it's essentially the same concept.
http://m.miamiherald.com/mh/db_42948...hz9all&src=cat
And what's funny is that bill simmons agreed back in 07 with Boston making the move for the big 3. He was on the radio arguing with Dan Le Batard why miamis wouldn't work when it's essentially the same concept.
That article is such a joke...
In fact, they're better than any three. Ever. Already.
The immediate argument one wants to make when you leapfrog these three over Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, or ahead of Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and James Worthy is that two of the three have never won anything.
But that's because they have never played together. Skill-wise, James, Wade and Bosh are better than any other trio you can think of, including Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, who frankly were the best ever, an all-star and an elite role player.
THREE OF A KIND
The numbers of the Celtics or Lakers trios don't compare to the numbers that Wade, James and Bosh have put up. And they are all entering this unprecedented experiment in the prime of their careers.
The immediate argument one wants to make when you leapfrog these three over Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish, or ahead of Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and James Worthy is that two of the three have never won anything.
But that's because they have never played together. Skill-wise, James, Wade and Bosh are better than any other trio you can think of, including Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman, who frankly were the best ever, an all-star and an elite role player.
THREE OF A KIND
The numbers of the Celtics or Lakers trios don't compare to the numbers that Wade, James and Bosh have put up. And they are all entering this unprecedented experiment in the prime of their careers.
Also all those previous Big 3's thrived in a much more competitive league where more teams actually played defense and could hit jump shots.
Lebron and Wade are great players, but their stats wouldn't be as impressive if they played in those eras...
07-12-2010, 04:37 PM
#549
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
Maybe Rose will want to go to Miami. 
07-12-2010, 04:39 PM
#550
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
That article is such a joke...
What is this writer smoking? Jordan, Pippen, Rodman would torch these guys. Same for the Lakers and Celtics big 3's from the 80's.
Also all those previous Big 3's thrived in a much more competitive league where more teams actually played defense and could hit jump shots.
Lebron and Wade are great players, but their stats wouldn't be as impressive if they played in those eras...
What is this writer smoking? Jordan, Pippen, Rodman would torch these guys. Same for the Lakers and Celtics big 3's from the 80's.
Also all those previous Big 3's thrived in a much more competitive league where more teams actually played defense and could hit jump shots.
Lebron and Wade are great players, but their stats wouldn't be as impressive if they played in those eras...
Those 3 were amazing defending as well as attacking. Miami's Big 3 are good offensive players...but, their defense...eh, not so much.
So, there is no comparison. And MJ would be frothing at the mouth for sure to ensure that his squad was supreme.
And honestly, do we need reminders that Pierce schooled LeBron in the playoffs this year...?
07-12-2010, 04:43 PM
#551
I'm Down Right Fierce!
That article is such a joke...
What is this writer smoking? Jordan, Pippen, Rodman would torch these guys. Same for the Lakers and Celtics big 3's from the 80's.
Also all those previous Big 3's thrived in a much more competitive league where more teams actually played defense and could hit jump shots.
Lebron and Wade are great players, but their stats wouldn't be as impressive if they played in those eras...
What is this writer smoking? Jordan, Pippen, Rodman would torch these guys. Same for the Lakers and Celtics big 3's from the 80's.
Also all those previous Big 3's thrived in a much more competitive league where more teams actually played defense and could hit jump shots.
Lebron and Wade are great players, but their stats wouldn't be as impressive if they played in those eras...
Can't really make that [people from one era is better than todays era] argument since Basketball has evolved significantly from the 80's.
I can almost say with certainty that the level of athleticism required in pro sports today is far greater than was required back in the "good old days."
I.E. Just being a good "jump shooter" isn't enough anymore, now you want the guy who can handle the ball, fast off the dribble and can create his own shots.
I would argue that the Miami Trinity COULD potentially be the greatest trio in history...
07-12-2010, 04:47 PM
#552
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
Bosh...? Really...?
REALLY?
Wade and LeBron are arguable elite players. But, Bosh...really?
REALLY?
Wade and LeBron are arguable elite players. But, Bosh...really?
07-12-2010, 04:47 PM
#553
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
If anything, Big 2 is more like it.
07-12-2010, 04:54 PM
#554
I'm Down Right Fierce!
Yummy, Bosh is probably one of the (if not the) quickest 4s in the league, is extremely good at dribbling for his size (6'10), can create his own shots and has a great jumper.
He's not going to burn the quickest 1-3's, but for a big man he's pretty quick.
And come on... lets face it - his former team was poop. (No offense to you Toronto Fans out there).
He's not going to burn the quickest 1-3's, but for a big man he's pretty quick.
And come on... lets face it - his former team was poop. (No offense to you Toronto Fans out there).
07-12-2010, 04:57 PM
#555
Engineer
Well, to start, MJ, Pippen, and Rodman can absolutely out-defend LeBron, Wade, and Bosh.
Those 3 were amazing defending as well as attacking. Miami's Big 3 are good offensive players...but, their defense...eh, not so much.
So, there is no comparison. And MJ would be frothing at the mouth for sure to ensure that his squad was supreme.
And honestly, do we need reminders that Pierce schooled LeBron in the playoffs this year...?
Those 3 were amazing defending as well as attacking. Miami's Big 3 are good offensive players...but, their defense...eh, not so much.
So, there is no comparison. And MJ would be frothing at the mouth for sure to ensure that his squad was supreme.
And honestly, do we need reminders that Pierce schooled LeBron in the playoffs this year...?
Oh I agree. I think Pippen is one of the most underrated defenders in NBA history.
07-12-2010, 05:02 PM
#556
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Thread Starter
Yummy, Bosh is probably one of the (if not the) quickest 4s in the league, is extremely good at dribbling for his size (6'10), can create his own shots and has a great jumper.
He's not going to burn the quickest 1-3's, but for a big man he's pretty quick.
And come on... lets face it - his former team was poop. (No offense to you Toronto Fans out there).
He's not going to burn the quickest 1-3's, but for a big man he's pretty quick.
And come on... lets face it - his former team was poop. (No offense to you Toronto Fans out there).
He gets pushed around too much by bigger power forwards and centers that come his way.
07-12-2010, 05:11 PM
#558
Senior Moderator
Thread Starter
Heck, I'd pick Bruce Bowen over them.
And let's be clear, I'm not hating your team. Just don't see them handed the title...yet.
07-12-2010, 05:17 PM
#560
I'm Down Right Fierce!