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02-16-2005, 01:43 PM
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I think the NBA in its current state is totally pathetic. Everyone is fucking 15 years old, doesn't know how to play defense...the teams are watered down, and every player looks like they came directly from a gang shooting. :shakehead
Bring back Magic, Bird, and Jordan...THAT was Basketball. What the NBA is now is a fucking ESPN Highlight reel for dunking. :ghey:
Bring back Magic, Bird, and Jordan...THAT was Basketball. What the NBA is now is a fucking ESPN Highlight reel for dunking. :ghey:
02-16-2005, 01:44 PM
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I had Press Releases out my ass yesterday because of Conseco's book. I havent read the book but so far it seems hes just naming names to make himself justified.
02-16-2005, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
I think the NBA in its current state is totally pathetic. Everyone is fucking 15 years old, doesn't know how to play defense...the teams are watered down, and every player looks like they came directly from a gang shooting. :shakehead
Bring back Magic, Bird, and Jordan...THAT was Basketball. What the NBA is now is a fucking ESPN Highlight reel for dunking. :ghey:
Bring back Magic, Bird, and Jordan...THAT was Basketball. What the NBA is now is a fucking ESPN Highlight reel for dunking. :ghey:
Nothing sadder than the consistent raping of the traveling rule. (yes I sound like an old man)
02-16-2005, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Michiraces2much
I had Press Releases out my ass yesterday because of Conseco's book. I havent read the book but so far it seems hes just naming names to make himself justified.
02-16-2005, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
1-dimensional basketball = teh worst
Nothing sadder than the consistent raping of the traveling rule. (yes I sound like an old man)
Nothing sadder than the consistent raping of the traveling rule. (yes I sound like an old man)
I'm fucking terrible...I say "remember when...." constantly, especially when surrounded by pubescents up in here who weren't even rolling down the fallopian tube when Bird/Johnson/Jordan played.
02-16-2005, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Michiraces2much
I had Press Releases out my ass yesterday because of Conseco's book. I havent read the book but so far it seems hes just naming names to make himself justified.
02-16-2005, 01:51 PM
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Look at pitchers for example, many of these fat fucks couldn't compete in any other sport but baseball. Put these guys on a weekend beer flag football or basketball leauge and they couldn't do shit. Hell I'm more athletic than 1/2 of the major league players in the league, I certainty couldn't make that same statement about football or basketball players. Baseball players are not athletes period. 
02-16-2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
Canseco is a media whore, but every person he names is totally jacked on roids.
from what I've heard about the names he names. The only one I'm not too sure of is Ripken.
02-16-2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
I think the NBA in its current state is totally pathetic. Everyone is fucking 15 years old, doesn't know how to play defense...the teams are watered down, and every player looks like they came directly from a gang shooting. :shakehead
Bring back Magic, Bird, and Jordan...THAT was Basketball. What the NBA is now is a fucking ESPN Highlight reel for dunking. :ghey:
Bring back Magic, Bird, and Jordan...THAT was Basketball. What the NBA is now is a fucking ESPN Highlight reel for dunking. :ghey:
I think the sport is just evolving. Do you think a team from 1980 could hang with a team today? I don't think so. Players are bigger, stronger, faster... those shooters from back in the day that everyone talks about as being pure basketball... would get their asses kicked today.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
02-16-2005, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Look at pitchers for example, many of these fat fucks couldn't compete in any other sport but baseball. Put these guys on a weekend beer flag football or basketball leauge and they couldn't do shit. Hell I'm more athletic than 1/2 of the major league players in the league, I certainty couldn't make that same statement about football or basketball players.
02-16-2005, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
I think the sport is just evolving. Do you think a team from 1980 could hang with a team today? I don't think so. Players are bigger, stronger, faster... those shooters from back in the day that everyone talks about as being pure basketball... would get their asses kicked today.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
I think the 92 Dream Team would kick ass all over these young punks. Did you ever watch Magic Johnson or Larry Bird?
You only watch the Suns because they're good this year.
02-16-2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
I think the sport is just evolving. Do you think a team from 1980 could hang with a team today? I don't think so. Players are bigger, stronger, faster... those shooters from back in the day that everyone talks about as being pure basketball... would get their asses kicked today.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
02-16-2005, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
whats your point? its not a worlds fittest man competition...
02-16-2005, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
I think the sport is just evolving. Do you think a team from 1980 could hang with a team today? I don't think so. Players are bigger, stronger, faster... those shooters from back in the day that everyone talks about as being pure basketball... would get their asses kicked today.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
Basketball is back.
02-16-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
You really think it doesn't take an athlete to steal a base, make a diving catch at CF/SS/3B, leg out a triple, throw 130 pitches, catch a 90 mph fastball after squatting for 3 hours then throw somebody out 100+ feet away? Just because they don't run as much as a basketball player doesn't mean they aren't an athlete.
02-16-2005, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Typical Masshole. 
And basketball sucks ass, unless you like watching fouls called on every other possession for the stupidest contact. When the Celtics can be in first place in their division playing .500 ball there's something seriously wrong with the league.
02-16-2005, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
I think the 92 Dream Team would kick ass all over these young punks. Did you ever watch Magic Johnson or Larry Bird?
You only watch the Suns because they're good this year.
You only watch the Suns because they're good this year.
And I've been a Suns fan since I moved to AZ... always hated the DBacks and the Cardinals with a passion, but the Suns are great.
02-16-2005, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
My point is that these guys aren't athletes and shouldn't be put in the same class as football or basketball players. Too me they are one step above PGA golfers in regard to overall athletic ability. I remember a few years ago ESPN did a study about which sport is the most athletic and boxing won, baseball finished way down the list below football and basketball. Hell hockey ever beat it out.
but you think a 6'5" 380 pound center is the epitome of athleticism? Or any quarterback? I don't think I'd put Peyton Manning as mr perfect athlete either...
each sport calls for different athletic abilities. to play MLB, you've gotta be in whatever shape it takes to get the job done. if you judge the quality of a sport by only the raw physical conditioning of the players, I think you are missing out on a lot.
02-16-2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
Gotta carry the flag!
When the Celtics can be in first place in their division playing .500 ball there's something seriously wrong with the league.
When the Celtics can be in first place in their division playing .500 ball there's something seriously wrong with the league.
You can blame the eastern conference downfall on poor drafts, old stars retiring and bad trades.
02-16-2005, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
The eastern conference sux but its not because the NBA doesn't have a salary cap. You can blame the eastern conference downfall on poor drafts, old stars retiring and bad trades.
You can blame the eastern conference downfall on poor drafts, old stars retiring and bad trades.
Very very bad trades.
02-16-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
but you think a 6'5" 380 pound center is the epitome of athleticism? Or any quarterback? I don't think I'd put Peyton Manning as mr perfect athlete either...
each sport calls for different athletic abilities. to play MLB, you've gotta be in whatever shape it takes to get the job done. if you judge the quality of a sport by only the raw physical conditioning of the players, I think you are missing out on a lot.
each sport calls for different athletic abilities. to play MLB, you've gotta be in whatever shape it takes to get the job done. if you judge the quality of a sport by only the raw physical conditioning of the players, I think you are missing out on a lot.
.You might be right but something isn't right when you have pitchers like David Wells, who look like they should be plumbers.
02-16-2005, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Michiraces2much
Nice! Hope he scores you some tickets!
02-16-2005, 02:17 PM
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Look...
Baseball has athletes, but it's not an athletic sport.
Basketball sets up the rules against defense, so stop complaining about players not playing it.
And 380lb centers have a 40 time that would leave you all in the dust.
Baseball has athletes, but it's not an athletic sport.
Basketball sets up the rules against defense, so stop complaining about players not playing it.
And 380lb centers have a 40 time that would leave you all in the dust.
02-16-2005, 02:21 PM
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Look...
Baseball has athletes, but it's not an athletic sport.
Basketball sets up the rules against defense, so stop complaining about players not playing it.
And 380lb centers have a 40 time that would leave you all in the dust.
Baseball has athletes, but it's not an athletic sport.
Basketball sets up the rules against defense, so stop complaining about players not playing it.
And 380lb centers have a 40 time that would leave you all in the dust.
Not complaining about the players playing the way they play, I'm just saying that the rules make it suck to watch.
And there isn't a single 380lb center that would run a faster 40 than me. No chance.
02-16-2005, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Any quaterback??? You must haven't heard of a guy named Vick .You might be right but something isn't right when you have pitchers like David Wells, who look like they should be plumbers.
I agree that overall baseball requires less conditioning than many sports... but they are definitely still athletes. Its not shuffleboard...
02-16-2005, 02:27 PM
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Do you think Wilt wouldn't have been more effective getting an extra step or two everytime he drove the lane?
Sure he would. And don't you think he'd be much less effective going up against Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, McGrady, Amare? I'd love to see what Wilts numbers would be if he was playing now.
02-16-2005, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
Baseball is an athletic sport when it is played well.
Not complaining about the players playing the way they play, I'm just saying that the rules make it suck to watch.
And there isn't a single 380lb center that would run a faster 40 than me. No chance.
Not complaining about the players playing the way they play, I'm just saying that the rules make it suck to watch.
And there isn't a single 380lb center that would run a faster 40 than me. No chance.
And they may not be faster (I was exaggerating for effect
), but they are by no means unathletic with 5 second 40's http://archive.profootballweekly.com...02.asp#Centers
02-16-2005, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
Baseball in and of itself is not athletic. outside of pitching, 95% percent of the time is spent standing or sitting.
And they may not be faster (I was exaggerating for effect), but they are by no means unathletic with 5 second 40's http://archive.profootballweekly.com...02.asp#Centers
And they may not be faster (I was exaggerating for effect
), but they are by no means unathletic with 5 second 40's http://archive.profootballweekly.com...02.asp#Centers
02-16-2005, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
Baseball in and of itself is not athletic. outside of pitching, 95% percent of the time is spent standing or sitting.
And they may not be faster (I was exaggerating for effect), but they are by no means unathletic with 5 second 40's http://archive.profootballweekly.com...02.asp#Centers
And they may not be faster (I was exaggerating for effect
), but they are by no means unathletic with 5 second 40's http://archive.profootballweekly.com...02.asp#CentersCertainly, you could argue to do both, the conditioning does not require one to be as fit as say a basketball player or football player...But, athletes nonetheless...
