MLB: Alex Rodriguez Used Steroids **Tipped Pitches to Opposing Hitters (page 4)**
02-09-2009, 10:08 AM
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There's a huge problem because anyone from that era will have a question mark on their legacy. So in order to sell a few seats they destroy the credibility of the sport? Bad idea. No to mention the whole now salary cap thing the owners are pussies and the MLB player assocation is too powerful and will jeopardize the sport in order to get what they want.
02-09-2009, 10:23 AM
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I agree. All the names should be released. But this just sucks for baseball the guy who they wanted to build up to chase the HR record now is a confirmed cheat. Who in the hell can they market?
02-09-2009, 10:38 AM
#43
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There's a huge problem because anyone from that era will have a question mark on their legacy. So in order to sell a few seats they destroy the credibility of the sport? Bad idea. No to mention the whole now salary cap thing the owners are pussies and the MLB player assocation is too powerful and will jeopardize the sport in order to get what they want.
You know what steriods really do? They allow you to recover faster. They allow guys like Bonds and A-rod to go to the gym after playing 9 innings and bust their ass, then do it again the next day. Constantly improving and getting stronger. They don't make see the ball better, throw a better change-up, or know the exact moment to steal a base.
To be like Bonds or A-rod you need talent and hard work. Same as in any other sport.
02-09-2009, 10:40 AM
#44
Benchwarmer
They need to start marketing the league as a bunch of teams, not a bunch of players. The NFL does this and you never hear anything about salaries or contracts and you can put two weak teams on TV and people will still watch. MLB can't put the Pirates vs. Rockies and expect anyone to care.
02-09-2009, 10:44 AM
#45
Benchwarmer
A few seats? There was a players strike, baseball was doing terrible. Something needed to be done and frankly I don't see it to be a big deal. People act like steroids are a pill that you take that make you Babe Ruth, Ricky Henderson, and Cy Young all in one player.
You know what steriods really do? They allow you to recover faster. They allow guys like Bonds and A-rod to go to the gym after playing 9 innings and bust their ass, then do it again the next day. Constantly improving and getting stronger. They don't make see the ball better, throw a better change-up, or know the exact moment to steal a base.
To be like Bonds or A-rod you need talent and hard work. Same as in any other sport.
You know what steriods really do? They allow you to recover faster. They allow guys like Bonds and A-rod to go to the gym after playing 9 innings and bust their ass, then do it again the next day. Constantly improving and getting stronger. They don't make see the ball better, throw a better change-up, or know the exact moment to steal a base.
To be like Bonds or A-rod you need talent and hard work. Same as in any other sport.
Cortizone is a corticosteroid that helps injuries heal without increasing mass. But you don't see players injecting themselves with this.
02-09-2009, 10:59 AM
#46
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And they make warning track flyballs into HR's. About 15-20 a year for the juicers. Which is enough of an advantage that they don't need to see the ball better, and they don't need to steal bases anyway.
Cortizone is a corticosteroid that helps injuries heal without increasing mass. But you don't see players injecting themselves with this.
Cortizone is a corticosteroid that helps injuries heal without increasing mass. But you don't see players injecting themselves with this.
I never said anything about injuries, I said recovery. Recovery from the strain of playing the sport and from training.
Here is my POV, if there are spots of people doing it 10 or 15 here and there, I'm all for punishing them. If practically the whole league is or was taking them (And I think they were) then the performance increases are relative and balanced.
If I was a talented ball player making no money in the minors and someone told me I can be making 5 million a year if I juiced and increased my strength and stamina, I'd do it in a heartbeat, wouldn't you?
02-09-2009, 11:02 AM
#47
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So, anyone read the report that Upshaw apparently alerted the players that they were going to be tested...? 
02-09-2009, 11:05 AM
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02-09-2009, 11:23 AM
#50
Benchwarmer
What about the pitchers that add 10 mph to their fastball, doesn't that make it harder to hit those warning track flyballs?
I never said anything about injuries, I said recovery. Recovery from the strain of playing the sport and from training.
Here is my POV, if there are spots of people doing it 10 or 15 here and there, I'm all for punishing them. If practically the whole league is or was taking them (And I think they were) then the performance increases are relative and balanced.
If I was a talented ball player making no money in the minors and someone told me I can be making 5 million a year if I juiced and increased my strength and stamina, I'd do it in a heartbeat, wouldn't you?
I never said anything about injuries, I said recovery. Recovery from the strain of playing the sport and from training.
Here is my POV, if there are spots of people doing it 10 or 15 here and there, I'm all for punishing them. If practically the whole league is or was taking them (And I think they were) then the performance increases are relative and balanced.
If I was a talented ball player making no money in the minors and someone told me I can be making 5 million a year if I juiced and increased my strength and stamina, I'd do it in a heartbeat, wouldn't you?
Recovery? Come on. There is no endurance necessary to play baseball. There is a general wearing down of the joints and tendons and muscles, which I interpret as injuries.
Even if 90% of the league was juicing, you have to reward the 10% that played the game straight. The performance increases definitely favored the power hitters. ERA's and HR's skyrocketed, SB's went way down. Steroids altered the game. You can argue that the alteration was positive for the appeal of the sport, but there's no way that the steroids themsleves were positive for the appeal of the sport, legal or illegal.
No way in hell I would take steroids. Partially for the reasons Yumchah listed, but also because they break the body down. My guess is that you'll see Bonds and McGwire with canes by the time they're 50.
If steroids were free would you take them to increase your softball performance or lengthen your tee shots?
02-09-2009, 12:16 PM
#53
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10 mph? Seems a little much. I think hitters definitely had the advantage in the steroid era. The numbers suggest it.
Recovery? Come on. There is no endurance necessary to play baseball. There is a general wearing down of the joints and tendons and muscles, which I interpret as injuries.
Even if 90% of the league was juicing, you have to reward the 10% that played the game straight. The performance increases definitely favored the power hitters. ERA's and HR's skyrocketed, SB's went way down. Steroids altered the game. You can argue that the alteration was positive for the appeal of the sport, but there's no way that the steroids themsleves were positive for the appeal of the sport, legal or illegal.
No way in hell I would take steroids. Partially for the reasons Yumchah listed, but also because they break the body down. My guess is that you'll see Bonds and McGwire with canes by the time they're 50.
If steroids were free would you take them to increase your softball performance or lengthen your tee shots?
Recovery? Come on. There is no endurance necessary to play baseball. There is a general wearing down of the joints and tendons and muscles, which I interpret as injuries.
Even if 90% of the league was juicing, you have to reward the 10% that played the game straight. The performance increases definitely favored the power hitters. ERA's and HR's skyrocketed, SB's went way down. Steroids altered the game. You can argue that the alteration was positive for the appeal of the sport, but there's no way that the steroids themsleves were positive for the appeal of the sport, legal or illegal.
No way in hell I would take steroids. Partially for the reasons Yumchah listed, but also because they break the body down. My guess is that you'll see Bonds and McGwire with canes by the time they're 50.
If steroids were free would you take them to increase your softball performance or lengthen your tee shots?
No endurance? These guys are professional athletes. Do you know how hard (most) of them train to be as good as they are? They spend offseasons in the gym, play in winter leagues, spring trainings, not to mention all the personal gym training they must do, then the actual season. You think that is easy? All I do is go to the gym every night and I walk around in pain all day, and I'm 26. There is a reason they take steroids and it's not so they hit the ball another 10 feet, regular training would do that.
Yumchah always goes the holy road
, but if you were actually presented with those millions of dollars, you might think differently. This isn't 1974 and it's not Hulk Hogan taking steroids to be a massive wrestler. This is calculated and engineered to perfect your body, everything is monitored and done as safely as possible. There have been studies that show HGH to be very good for the body. And No, but if I was getting paid millions to play softball and not taking them meant possibly not making those millions, then the answer is yes.
02-09-2009, 12:57 PM
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oddly enough, it seems the one person who has been telling the truth through all of this has been Jose Canseco...he accused A-Rod of taking steroids in his book last year, not to mention Clemens, Magglio Ordonez, McGwire, and others but not a lot of ppl believed him...looks like he was right again 
02-09-2009, 01:25 PM
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the report was confidential, it was not done to accuse, but to see how big the problem was. All samples were given a #. No one was ever suppose to find out what #'s connected to what names
02-09-2009, 01:52 PM
#57
"I did take a banned substance. For that, I am very sorry and deeply regretful."
02-09-2009, 01:59 PM
#58
Benchwarmer
^^^
His apology should read, "I did take a banned substance. I am very sorry and deeply regretful that I got caught and that my previous statements have been exposed as lies."
His apology should read, "I did take a banned substance. I am very sorry and deeply regretful that I got caught and that my previous statements have been exposed as lies."
02-09-2009, 02:08 PM
#59
What we don't know & never will is how long he took them & for what purpose.
I could see him trying them based on advice from other players to see how he would react. The facts are still true that his player skills are far beyond most players. He hit a ton before 03 & after 03 & has tested clean since that 1 test.
I'm not defending him, I hate arod, but there are 2 sides. You can not trust what the media reports. Especially when it comes to the Yankees.
I could see him trying them based on advice from other players to see how he would react. The facts are still true that his player skills are far beyond most players. He hit a ton before 03 & after 03 & has tested clean since that 1 test.
I'm not defending him, I hate arod, but there are 2 sides. You can not trust what the media reports. Especially when it comes to the Yankees.
02-09-2009, 03:35 PM
#60
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What we don't know & never will is how long he took them & for what purpose.
I could see him trying them based on advice from other players to see how he would react. The facts are still true that his player skills are far beyond most players. He hit a ton before 03 & after 03 & has tested clean since that 1 test.
I'm not defending him, I hate arod, but there are 2 sides. You can not trust what the media reports. Especially when it comes to the Yankees.
I could see him trying them based on advice from other players to see how he would react. The facts are still true that his player skills are far beyond most players. He hit a ton before 03 & after 03 & has tested clean since that 1 test.
I'm not defending him, I hate arod, but there are 2 sides. You can not trust what the media reports. Especially when it comes to the Yankees.
When asked if his usage took place from 2001-2003, Rodriguez said, "That's pretty accurate."
"When I arrived in Texas in 2001, I felt an enormous amount of pressure, felt all the weight of the world on top of me to perform and perform at a high level every day. Back then, it was a different culture. It was very loose. I was young, I was stupid, I was naive and I wanted to prove to everyone that I was worth, you know, being one of the greatest players of all time. And I did take a banned substance. For that, I'm very sorry and deeply regretful. And although it was the culture back then in major league baseball overall ... it was very ... I just feel that ... I'm just sorry. I'm sorry for that time, I'm sorry to my fans, I'm sorry to my fans in Texas. It wasn't until then that I thought about substance of any kind, and since then I've proved to myself and to everyone that I don't need any of that."
02-09-2009, 03:59 PM
#61
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^ Sorry? He should be sorry for flat-out lying when he was interviewed on 60 Minutes...
02-09-2009, 04:14 PM
#63
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the sad part is he is the one laughing all the way to the bank with those massive contracts...
02-09-2009, 04:17 PM
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02-09-2009, 04:55 PM
#65
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Looking at his career stats looks like A-Rod was as good non-juiced as he was juiced. And honestly, I actually agree with Gibson6594.
And honestly, I actually agree with Gibson6594.
02-09-2009, 04:57 PM
#66
Benchwarmer
02-09-2009, 04:59 PM
#67
My Garage
02-09-2009, 06:22 PM
#70
Senior Moderator
...to really bring his about-face to light, watch his interview with Couric for 60 Minutes when he denied ever doping.
02-09-2009, 07:50 PM
#72
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Was this not the steroid era? When will people stop acting surprised? or are we going to continue this as each name is revealed? I really enjoy the "I told you so" statements..
*Steroid era
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*Steroid era
/thread
02-09-2009, 10:46 PM
#73
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02-10-2009, 10:04 AM
#75
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I can't wait until nanotechnology ushers bionics into professional sports.....and then deemed illegal. 
02-10-2009, 11:13 AM
#76
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So, I finally watched A-Cheat's lovely interview from yesterday and could not help but feel s'more ridicule is needed to be heaped on Mr. Sensitive and Liar-Liar... 
- He said he juiced because he felt pressure in the land of the Rangers (yes, pressure-cooker team right there), and we’re all supposed to be stupid enough to buy the idea that he suddenly didn’t need the stuff when he moved to the NYC - the epitome of pressure city???
- A-Cheat conveniently takes the blame, said it was all his fault blah blah blah, but bam! He blames the baseball culture and teammates at the time. I love it. I confess, I confess...they did it, really.
Where's my puke bag...?
- He said he juiced because he felt pressure in the land of the Rangers (yes, pressure-cooker team right there), and we’re all supposed to be stupid enough to buy the idea that he suddenly didn’t need the stuff when he moved to the NYC - the epitome of pressure city???
- A-Cheat conveniently takes the blame, said it was all his fault blah blah blah, but bam! He blames the baseball culture and teammates at the time. I love it. I confess, I confess...they did it, really.
Where's my puke bag...?
02-10-2009, 11:28 AM
#79
Senior Moderator
^ Thanks, JMT...you want it after I'm done?
02-10-2009, 11:29 AM
#80
Senior Moderator
And can you believe Bud earned $17M or something ridiculous last year...?
