MLB: 2019 Off-Season News and Discussion Thread
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MLB: 2019 Off-Season News and Discussion Thread
Post hot-stove stuff here.
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Non-hot-stove but Astros are accused of cheating: https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/ast...194631500.html
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Cheaters! Cheaters!
Must have learned from the Patriots
Must have learned from the Patriots
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Alex Cora and Carlos Beltran also linked to said cheating
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-red-...055319318.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-red-...055319318.html
On Tuesday, The Athletic reported that the Houston Astros engaged in an elaborate sign-stealing scheme that involved cameras, electronic transmissions and trash cans during their 2017 World Series run.
On Wednesday, the same reporters — Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich — reported that current managers of two other MLB teams joined A.J. Hinch in devising the scheme.
Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora and New York Mets manager Carlos Beltrán both “played a key role in devising the sign-stealing system the team used that season,” according to the report.
Former Astros pitcher Mike Fiers was among four people associated with the team in 2017 to expose and explain the system to The Athletic. The other three sources remained anonymous.
Astros players and employees would then bang code on trash cans for hitters to hear that relayed what pitch to expect.
That characterization was made in terms of traditional, legal sign-stealing that relies on players using their own eyes — without the aid of electronics — to decipher opponents’ strategies and exploit weaknesses.
Wednesday’s report sheds new light on that characterization.
“We took a lot of pride studying pitchers in the computer – that is the only technology that I use and I understand,” Beltrán told The Athletic via text. “It was fun seeing guys get to the ballpark to look for little details.
“(In) the game of baseball, guys for years have given location and if the catchers get lazy and the pitcher doesn’t cover the signs from second base, of course players are going to take advantage. I don’t call that cheating. I call that using the small details to take advantage. I think baseball is doing a great job adding new technology to make sure the game is even for both teams.”
Cora and Hinch declined comment to The Athletic.
The Astros announced after the initial report that they are conducting an investigation alongside MLB into the accusations
On Wednesday, the same reporters — Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich — reported that current managers of two other MLB teams joined A.J. Hinch in devising the scheme.
Boston Red Sox manager Alex Cora and New York Mets manager Carlos Beltrán both “played a key role in devising the sign-stealing system the team used that season,” according to the report.
Cora, Beltrán were members of ‘17 Astros
Cora was the Astros bench coach and Beltrán was a designated hitter and outfielder in Houston in his final season as an MLB player in 2017. Hinch was and remains the Astros manager.Former Astros pitcher Mike Fiers was among four people associated with the team in 2017 to expose and explain the system to The Athletic. The other three sources remained anonymous.
How the alleged scheme works
According to the report, a camera in center field would relay signs from opposing players to a TV in the Houston dugout.Astros players and employees would then bang code on trash cans for hitters to hear that relayed what pitch to expect.
Beltrán’s sign-stealing reputation
According to another report from The Athletic published earlier in November and unrelated to the sign-stealing controversy, Beltrán had developed a reputation “as one of the best in the game at stealing signs,” an asset in his role as Mets manager.That characterization was made in terms of traditional, legal sign-stealing that relies on players using their own eyes — without the aid of electronics — to decipher opponents’ strategies and exploit weaknesses.
Wednesday’s report sheds new light on that characterization.
Beltrán: ‘I don’t call that cheating’
Beltrán responded to The Athletic’s latest report.“We took a lot of pride studying pitchers in the computer – that is the only technology that I use and I understand,” Beltrán told The Athletic via text. “It was fun seeing guys get to the ballpark to look for little details.
“(In) the game of baseball, guys for years have given location and if the catchers get lazy and the pitcher doesn’t cover the signs from second base, of course players are going to take advantage. I don’t call that cheating. I call that using the small details to take advantage. I think baseball is doing a great job adding new technology to make sure the game is even for both teams.”
The Astros announced after the initial report that they are conducting an investigation alongside MLB into the accusations
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ChiSox sign Grandal: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...dgu-story.html
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ChiSox may be trying to make a play to be a contender this year. So, it's possible they will go hard after Cole and other all-star-type players.
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Under-the-radar, I suppose. But, their "touted" core is Moncada, Jimenez, Robert, Anderson, and Madrigal. Assuming Kopech continues his growth and Giolito the same in pitching.
It has not been as hyped as the BoSox or Yankees kids but it's not bad at least if you read their ratings and scouting reports.
It has not been as hyped as the BoSox or Yankees kids but it's not bad at least if you read their ratings and scouting reports.
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I like the re-signing there. Abreu is a solid player and good presence for the kids.
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I want to say the ChiSox are modeling themselves after the Astros and BoSox blueprint...but, we'll see if it works.
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Yankees back spending like they are drunk again...
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Angels get Rendon. With Trout there...ooo, they will be pretty scary.
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All I hear about is how baseball ratings are in the tank and they just keep pumping out these outrageous contracts
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yup
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Look, all the power to these athletes making this much but to give Cole that much is just insanity. He does not pitch every day!
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Tribe trade Kluber to the Rangers: https://www.tsn.ca/texas-rangers-acq...elds-1.1413547
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ChiSox ink Keuchel to 3 years: https://www.tsn.ca/report-dallas-keu...deal-1.1416934
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Astros are in big big trouble
BREAKING: Per sources, MLB’s penalties for#Astros include: *One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch. *Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and ‘21. *A fine of $5M.
BREAKING: Per sources, MLB’s penalties for
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Also
No players were disciplined by Major League Baseball in the Astros' investigation. While Mets manager Carlos Beltran was part of it, he was a player at the time and thus was not suspended. Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora is coming. It is going to be harsh, per sources.
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Astros got a hurt real bad.
FWIW, this is the sort of punishment the Pats of the NFL should've been subject to.
FWIW, this is the sort of punishment the Pats of the NFL should've been subject to.
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If only the NFL was this tough on NE for their cheating, me thinks they wouldn't have kept doing it for so long
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Astros fire the GM and manager now: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/s...ff-luhnow.html
More ouches around!
More ouches around!
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Given how awesome their hitting was, you should probably asterisk that entire line-up's batting averages and etc. with this.
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That's awesome.
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Cora of the BoSox is gonna get a hurt real bad: https://nypost.com/2020/01/13/red-so...ating-scandal/
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BoSox too.
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Great write-up on why cheating sucks and peeps like me will pile on with all the venom/spew and then, mockery when those do get caught: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...754_story.html
Anyways, I hope the BoSox get what's coming to them. Cora is dead-manager-walking.
Anyways, I hope the BoSox get what's coming to them. Cora is dead-manager-walking.
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MLB's ruling on the Astros and you'll see that Cora is mentioned HEAPS of times in the write-up. Holy shet.
Link: https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...6f4.pdf#page=1
Please, MLB: Asterisk both the WS wins for both the Stros and BoSox.
If I'm a Dodgers fan or any team that got ousted by both these squads, I would be PISSED.
Link: https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...6f4.pdf#page=1
Please, MLB: Asterisk both the WS wins for both the Stros and BoSox.
If I'm a Dodgers fan or any team that got ousted by both these squads, I would be PISSED.
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Great write-up on why cheating sucks and peeps like me will pile on with all the venom/spew and then, mockery when those do get caught: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...754_story.html
Anyways, I hope the BoSox get what's coming to them. Cora is dead-manager-walking.
Anyways, I hope the BoSox get what's coming to them. Cora is dead-manager-walking.
If this Astros ugliness doesn’t convince moral relativists to find some backbone and admit that sometimes there really is a “right” and a “wrong” — and that the wrong must be punished — then what will?
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Alex Cora, ...
BoSox can the cheating manager: https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...ealing-report/
BoSox can the cheating manager: https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/ml...ealing-report/