MLB: 2012 Off-Season News and Discussion Thread
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MLB: 2012 Off-Season News and Discussion Thread
Well, the World Series is over...all hot-stove chatter can be in here!
:ibtheYankeessigneveryone:
:ibtheYankeessigneveryone:
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Cool...he'll teach them how to use roids!
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A's surge to division title nets Melvin AL Manager of the Year
Congrats Bob Melvin!!!!!
Very well deserved IMO.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/new...s_oak&c_id=oak
Very well deserved IMO.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/new...s_oak&c_id=oak
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Yeah it's really bad down here. The only good thing was Twitter was piss yourself funny. The team president David Samson is supposed to be on the Le Batard show at 5 sharp for his weekly Marlins and movies segment. But if the trade isn't official he can't comment.
#10
I wonder if their the only team that doesn't allow no-trade clauses of any kind?
#11
Wow, this trade is an absolute bombshell. I think the fallout from this will be interesting, and I hope it ends with the Marlins owner being ousted.
Some pretty good articles on Yahoo Sports today about the trade. I had no idea that the current Marlins owner was also involved with the Expos.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/blaze-o...wnership-.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
Some pretty good articles on Yahoo Sports today about the trade. I had no idea that the current Marlins owner was also involved with the Expos.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/blaze-o...wnership-.html
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
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Dude....I just went out and bought my Marlins Reyes shirt. Crap.
If someone in the Marlins front office does not get fired over this crap....They spent all this money to get Reyes, Bell, Buehrle and end up dumping all of them as well as Ramirez and Johnson.
Why would you want to be a Marlins fan? You have fire sales every couple years. It's insane. And this is coming from a METS fan.
If someone in the Marlins front office does not get fired over this crap....They spent all this money to get Reyes, Bell, Buehrle and end up dumping all of them as well as Ramirez and Johnson.
Why would you want to be a Marlins fan? You have fire sales every couple years. It's insane. And this is coming from a METS fan.
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Ouch!
Traded Marlins Players Will Take $2 Million Tax Hit In Canada
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...hit-in-canada/
The Miami Marlins are set to trade Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, John Buck and Emilio Bonifacio to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for Yunel Escobar and a handful of prospects. With a combined $40+ million due to these players in 2013, the Marlins’ motivation for this move is to cut payroll for a club that underperformed in 2012. If the trade is approved by the commissioner, the players involved face significant tax consequences.
Being traded from the Marlins to the Blue Jays will cost Johnson nearly $600,000 per year. Reyes and Buehrle will lose similar amounts. Combined the five players will face a higher tax bill of roughly $2 million.
Players across all sports are aware of the tax consequences of signing with a Canadian team, which is why high-priced free agents view the Blue Jays and Raptors with a wary eye when considering their options. It is difficult for these teams to compete on a level playing field with other teams in their respective sports.
Tax rates in Canada are significantly higher than in the U.S., especially for players in Florida, which does not have a state income tax. Under current law, the highest tax rate in the US in 2013 will be 40.5% (39.6% assuming the Bush tax cuts are not extended plus 0.9% Medicare surtax on high earners). Ontario recently increased its highest provincial tax rate to 18.97%. When combined with Canada’s 29% federal rate, players will pay 47.97% income tax in 2013.
The highest paid player involved in the trade was Josh Johnson, who will earn $13.75 million in 2013 (Buehrle is due $11 million and Reyes $10 million). Because Johnson will likely not spend over 183 days in Canada in a given year, he will file there as a non-resident. When taking into account spring training and road games, about 40% ($5.5 million) of his income will be taxable in Canada, resulting in roughly $2.6 million in Canadian taxes. His tax on this income in the U.S. would be roughly $2.2 million, a difference of $400,000 in 2013.
Being traded from the Marlins to the Blue Jays will cost Johnson nearly $600,000 per year. Reyes and Buehrle will lose similar amounts. Combined the five players will face a higher tax bill of roughly $2 million.
Players across all sports are aware of the tax consequences of signing with a Canadian team, which is why high-priced free agents view the Blue Jays and Raptors with a wary eye when considering their options. It is difficult for these teams to compete on a level playing field with other teams in their respective sports.
Tax rates in Canada are significantly higher than in the U.S., especially for players in Florida, which does not have a state income tax. Under current law, the highest tax rate in the US in 2013 will be 40.5% (39.6% assuming the Bush tax cuts are not extended plus 0.9% Medicare surtax on high earners). Ontario recently increased its highest provincial tax rate to 18.97%. When combined with Canada’s 29% federal rate, players will pay 47.97% income tax in 2013.
The highest paid player involved in the trade was Josh Johnson, who will earn $13.75 million in 2013 (Buehrle is due $11 million and Reyes $10 million). Because Johnson will likely not spend over 183 days in Canada in a given year, he will file there as a non-resident. When taking into account spring training and road games, about 40% ($5.5 million) of his income will be taxable in Canada, resulting in roughly $2.6 million in Canadian taxes. His tax on this income in the U.S. would be roughly $2.2 million, a difference of $400,000 in 2013.
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We are in Last place because you gave up early halfway in the season you stupid fuck!
Jeffrey Loria defends trading stars
Updated: November 14, 2012, 4:48 PM ET
ESPN.com news services
Buster Blog: AL East Wide-Open After Trade
Buster Olney blogs about the Blue Jays' chances in the AL East following their proposed trade with the Marlins.Tags: Jays-Marlins Trade, Buster Blog, Buster Olney, AL East
Miami Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria became frustrated Wednesday when asked why he decided to dismantle most of the talent on his team such a short time after assembling it.
"We finished in last place. Figure it out," he told CBSSports.com from the winter meetings in Chicago.
Sources told ESPN that the Marlins and Toronto Blue Jays have agreed to a blockbuster trade that would send shortstop Jose Reyes, pitchers Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle, catcher John Buck and infielder-outfielder Emilio Bonifacio to Toronto for prospects.
Marlins Traded Since July
The Marlins' 2013 Opening Day roster will look much different than the 2012 version. When the blockbuster with Toronto is complete, Miami will have traded 12 major leaguers since July.
POS Player Traded to
3B Hanley Ramirez Dodgers
RP Randy Choate Dodgers
RP Edward Mujica Cardinals
1B Gaby Sanchez Pirates
SP Anibal Sanchez Tigers
2B Omar Infante Tigers
RP Heath Bell Diamondbacks
SS Jose Reyes Blue Jays<<
SP Josh Johnson Blue Jays<<
SP Mark Buehrle Blue Jays<<
C John Buck Blue Jays<<
CF Emilio Bonifacio Blue Jays
The trade could save Loria and the Marlins approximately $150 million, which prompted a backlash from South Floridians angered by the team's latest payroll purge.
"Everybody in the world wants to talk about the Marlins and the fact they're now a Triple-A team," said city commissioner Marc Sarnoff, who was an opponent of the team's new ballpark project. "The Marlins have lost pretty much all credibility with fans. Even if this trade is a positive move from a baseball standpoint, it won't be viewed by the general public as a positive move."
As part of the rebranding of the entire franchise and the move to the new ballpark, the Marlins were big players in free agency last offseason, signing Reyes and Buehrle to massive contracts. The Marlins also reportedly pursued Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson.
But after finishing last in the NL East, the Marlins fired controversial manager Ozzie Guillen last month. The Marlins also traded closer Heath Bell to the Diamondbacks, infielder Hanley Ramirez to the Dodgers and pitcher Anibal Sanchez and infielder Omar Infante to the Tigers since the trade deadline this past season.
Loria said Wednesday that dumping veteran players was the right response to how the season went.
"We have to get better,'' Loria said, according to CBSSports.com. "We can't finish in last place. We finished in last place. That's unacceptable. We have to take a new course.''
He was also asked if clearing the decks was a precursor to trying to sell the team.
"Absolutely not,'' Loria said, according to the website. "That's more stupidity.''
The Blue Jays are sending shortstop Yunel Escobar, right-hander Henderson Alvarez, catcher Jeff Mathis and prospects Jake Marisnick (OF), Adeiny Hechavarria (SS), Justin Nicolino (LHP) and Anthony DeSclafani (RHP) to the Marlins, sources told ESPN.
More From ESPN.com
The franchise that knows no shame when it comes to fire sales has sunk to new and unimaginable depths, Jerry Crasnick writes. Story
This trade is reminiscent of the Jays' behemoth of the 1990s and reminds all that Toronto is no small market, Christina Kahrl writes. SweetSpot
Baseball America, in rankings released last week, have Marisnick as Toronto's No. 2 prospect, Nicolino as No. 5 and Hechevarria as No. 8.
But the haul of prospects wasn't enough to mollify many Marlins fans. Radio talk show host Jeff DeForrest fielded calls from irate listeners shortly after news of the trade broke Tuesday.
"The next move obviously is to have Fidel Castro throw out the first pitch next year," DeForrest said. "That's the only way they could alienate the fans more than they have."
Castro became a source of acrimony last April, when Guillen's praise of the former Cuban leader infuriated team supporters. That was shortly after the new ballpark opened in Miami's Little Havana neighborhood, and attendance never recovered from the tempest.
Management had projected the rebranded team would contend for a playoff berth and draw nearly 3 million fans, but instead the Marlins staggered to a last-place finish in the NL East and attendance barely topped 2.2 million.
With revenue falling short of projections, Loria decided to end the franchise's brief era of big spending. The players traded by the Marlins have combined guaranteed salaries of $163.75 million through 2018, including $96 million due Reyes. The deals he and Buehrle signed when they joined Miami a year ago were heavily backloaded.
Salaries for 2013 include $13.75 million for Johnson in the final year of his contract, $11 million for Buehrle and $10 million for Reyes. The net in guaranteed salaries coming off the Marlins' books is expected to be $154 million, which does not account for any cash that may be involved in the trade.
Three years ago, the Marlins reached an agreement with the players' union to increase spending in the wake of complaints team payroll had been so small as to violate baseball's revenue-sharing provisions. But the trade with Toronto leaves the Marlins with an estimated Opening Day payroll of $34 million, which would be their lowest since 2008. Oakland had the lowest payroll in the majors last year at $53 million.
SportsNation Marlins and Blue Jays players took to Twitter, reacting to the breaking news of a potential blockbuster trade. Discuss and vote!
Of the lineup that took the field for the festive first game in the new ballpark less than eight months ago, only two players remain -- Giancarlo Stanton and Logan Morrison.
Stanton tweeted that he was angry about the trade and changed his Twitter photo in an apparent protest, swapping out his Marlins uniform for a black shirt.
"I'm not saying fans can't be upset," Morrison tweeted to his 123,000 followers. "I'm saying I'm not going to get upset. I can't control it. So don't expect me to be upset."
Fan ire was targeted primarily at Loria and team president David Samson.
"People are steamed," DeForrest said. "To dump the whole team is mind-boggling, but nothing is surprising with these two guys."
Many fan complaints involved the ballpark project, financed mostly with taxpayer money as Loria and Samson promised a new era with higher payrolls and more competitive teams.
The ballpark is state of the art, but the team has started looking like the same-old Marlins.
"This," Sarnoff said, "has taught many who voted for the stadium a lesson: When you go into a public-private partnership, know your partner."
Updated: November 14, 2012, 4:48 PM ET
ESPN.com news services
Buster Blog: AL East Wide-Open After Trade
Buster Olney blogs about the Blue Jays' chances in the AL East following their proposed trade with the Marlins.Tags: Jays-Marlins Trade, Buster Blog, Buster Olney, AL East
Miami Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria became frustrated Wednesday when asked why he decided to dismantle most of the talent on his team such a short time after assembling it.
"We finished in last place. Figure it out," he told CBSSports.com from the winter meetings in Chicago.
Sources told ESPN that the Marlins and Toronto Blue Jays have agreed to a blockbuster trade that would send shortstop Jose Reyes, pitchers Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle, catcher John Buck and infielder-outfielder Emilio Bonifacio to Toronto for prospects.
Marlins Traded Since July
The Marlins' 2013 Opening Day roster will look much different than the 2012 version. When the blockbuster with Toronto is complete, Miami will have traded 12 major leaguers since July.
POS Player Traded to
3B Hanley Ramirez Dodgers
RP Randy Choate Dodgers
RP Edward Mujica Cardinals
1B Gaby Sanchez Pirates
SP Anibal Sanchez Tigers
2B Omar Infante Tigers
RP Heath Bell Diamondbacks
SS Jose Reyes Blue Jays<<
SP Josh Johnson Blue Jays<<
SP Mark Buehrle Blue Jays<<
C John Buck Blue Jays<<
CF Emilio Bonifacio Blue Jays
The trade could save Loria and the Marlins approximately $150 million, which prompted a backlash from South Floridians angered by the team's latest payroll purge.
"Everybody in the world wants to talk about the Marlins and the fact they're now a Triple-A team," said city commissioner Marc Sarnoff, who was an opponent of the team's new ballpark project. "The Marlins have lost pretty much all credibility with fans. Even if this trade is a positive move from a baseball standpoint, it won't be viewed by the general public as a positive move."
As part of the rebranding of the entire franchise and the move to the new ballpark, the Marlins were big players in free agency last offseason, signing Reyes and Buehrle to massive contracts. The Marlins also reportedly pursued Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson.
But after finishing last in the NL East, the Marlins fired controversial manager Ozzie Guillen last month. The Marlins also traded closer Heath Bell to the Diamondbacks, infielder Hanley Ramirez to the Dodgers and pitcher Anibal Sanchez and infielder Omar Infante to the Tigers since the trade deadline this past season.
Loria said Wednesday that dumping veteran players was the right response to how the season went.
"We have to get better,'' Loria said, according to CBSSports.com. "We can't finish in last place. We finished in last place. That's unacceptable. We have to take a new course.''
He was also asked if clearing the decks was a precursor to trying to sell the team.
"Absolutely not,'' Loria said, according to the website. "That's more stupidity.''
The Blue Jays are sending shortstop Yunel Escobar, right-hander Henderson Alvarez, catcher Jeff Mathis and prospects Jake Marisnick (OF), Adeiny Hechavarria (SS), Justin Nicolino (LHP) and Anthony DeSclafani (RHP) to the Marlins, sources told ESPN.
More From ESPN.com
The franchise that knows no shame when it comes to fire sales has sunk to new and unimaginable depths, Jerry Crasnick writes. Story
This trade is reminiscent of the Jays' behemoth of the 1990s and reminds all that Toronto is no small market, Christina Kahrl writes. SweetSpot
Baseball America, in rankings released last week, have Marisnick as Toronto's No. 2 prospect, Nicolino as No. 5 and Hechevarria as No. 8.
But the haul of prospects wasn't enough to mollify many Marlins fans. Radio talk show host Jeff DeForrest fielded calls from irate listeners shortly after news of the trade broke Tuesday.
"The next move obviously is to have Fidel Castro throw out the first pitch next year," DeForrest said. "That's the only way they could alienate the fans more than they have."
Castro became a source of acrimony last April, when Guillen's praise of the former Cuban leader infuriated team supporters. That was shortly after the new ballpark opened in Miami's Little Havana neighborhood, and attendance never recovered from the tempest.
Management had projected the rebranded team would contend for a playoff berth and draw nearly 3 million fans, but instead the Marlins staggered to a last-place finish in the NL East and attendance barely topped 2.2 million.
With revenue falling short of projections, Loria decided to end the franchise's brief era of big spending. The players traded by the Marlins have combined guaranteed salaries of $163.75 million through 2018, including $96 million due Reyes. The deals he and Buehrle signed when they joined Miami a year ago were heavily backloaded.
Salaries for 2013 include $13.75 million for Johnson in the final year of his contract, $11 million for Buehrle and $10 million for Reyes. The net in guaranteed salaries coming off the Marlins' books is expected to be $154 million, which does not account for any cash that may be involved in the trade.
Three years ago, the Marlins reached an agreement with the players' union to increase spending in the wake of complaints team payroll had been so small as to violate baseball's revenue-sharing provisions. But the trade with Toronto leaves the Marlins with an estimated Opening Day payroll of $34 million, which would be their lowest since 2008. Oakland had the lowest payroll in the majors last year at $53 million.
SportsNation Marlins and Blue Jays players took to Twitter, reacting to the breaking news of a potential blockbuster trade. Discuss and vote!
Of the lineup that took the field for the festive first game in the new ballpark less than eight months ago, only two players remain -- Giancarlo Stanton and Logan Morrison.
Stanton tweeted that he was angry about the trade and changed his Twitter photo in an apparent protest, swapping out his Marlins uniform for a black shirt.
"I'm not saying fans can't be upset," Morrison tweeted to his 123,000 followers. "I'm saying I'm not going to get upset. I can't control it. So don't expect me to be upset."
Fan ire was targeted primarily at Loria and team president David Samson.
"People are steamed," DeForrest said. "To dump the whole team is mind-boggling, but nothing is surprising with these two guys."
Many fan complaints involved the ballpark project, financed mostly with taxpayer money as Loria and Samson promised a new era with higher payrolls and more competitive teams.
The ballpark is state of the art, but the team has started looking like the same-old Marlins.
"This," Sarnoff said, "has taught many who voted for the stadium a lesson: When you go into a public-private partnership, know your partner."
#23
For example, the Indians have been linked to Jason Bay and Kevin Youkilis this offseason already. Great players to look at, if it was 5 years ago...
#24
Nice to see Dickey get the Cy Young, although I think Verlander should've won it in the AL.
I think if Todd Frazier was able to be the everyday starter the whole season at one position (3B) he would've easily beat out Harper. He might've beat him anyways if it wasn't for the nasty slump he had at the end of the year.
I think if Todd Frazier was able to be the everyday starter the whole season at one position (3B) he would've easily beat out Harper. He might've beat him anyways if it wasn't for the nasty slump he had at the end of the year.
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Aren't Marlin fans used to this? Why are they even outraged. This team always likes to blow itself up.
#29
I bet they threw in a clause that gets them off the hook if he gets busted again. I can't imagine anybody would sign him to one without it, or anybody else that gets busted and then signs a large contract like this.
#31
Whats up with RDX owners?
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#35
#36
Happy the Reds signed Broxton. Chapman will be in the rotation this year, with Leake going into long relief
Also, Marvin Miller. Changed the game of baseball as we know it. I've read a lot about him and the work he did.
Thought this website was kind of neat:
http://www.thanksmarvin.com/index-main.html
Bunch of ex-MLB players thanking him for everything he did for them, and lobbying for him to rightfully be put into the Hall of Fame.
Also, Marvin Miller. Changed the game of baseball as we know it. I've read a lot about him and the work he did.
Thought this website was kind of neat:
http://www.thanksmarvin.com/index-main.html
Bunch of ex-MLB players thanking him for everything he did for them, and lobbying for him to rightfully be put into the Hall of Fame.
#38
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Thread Starter
#39
I've always got the vibe from both of the Upton sisters that they're lazy and not concerned with the success of the team. Maybe I'm way off because I can't watch them play on a consistent basis
Anyways, looks like Ryan Madson is signing with the Angels. Much needed help for them.
Anyways, looks like Ryan Madson is signing with the Angels. Much needed help for them.