The Mitchell Report - Clemens' named leaked
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbc...ORTS/712150340
There were no records of him buying HGH, just having a conversation about it with those 2 trainers. I heard him on a radio show and he was pretty pissed for a guy already out of baseball.
There were no records of him buying HGH, just having a conversation about it with those 2 trainers. I heard him on a radio show and he was pretty pissed for a guy already out of baseball.
I wouldn't doubt that some of those guys on the list are just "associated" with steroids but never really took them. I believe Pettitte's story too.
Of course people like Bonds and Clemens will always deny it, and won't come out and just admit it.
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
And before anybody relaxes on Pettitte, remember that he categorically denied taking HGH before his name got on the list. Why should we believe him now?
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
There was something screwy with how Justice got on the list.
And before anybody relaxes on Pettitte, remember that he categorically denied taking HGH before his name got on the list. Why should we believe him now?
And before anybody relaxes on Pettitte, remember that he categorically denied taking HGH before his name got on the list. Why should we believe him now?
You definitely have a good point.
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The moral of the story is: Lie until you get caught...and then, apologize.
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Originally Posted by sonnyg80
Apologizing justifies the whole situation...duh
"If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize." - Pettitte
I think I want to hear his story for denying it at first.
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^^ Better yet, you should've heard Vina talking about how he's coming clean (no pun intended) because he 'respects the game' - he said that about 5 times i think...but hey, he was injured and 'Played a 150 season and another 150 season and then couldn't get over an injury after doing everything else and rehab...' - so he had to
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O's Roberts admits to using steroids - once
BALTIMORE - Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts has acknowledged using steroids, but insists he only tried it once before realizing he had made a "terrible decision."
Roberts was named in former Sen. George Mitchell's report on steroid use in major league baseball. The report came out last Thursday, but Roberts did not immediately respond.
In a statement issued Tuesday to The Associated Press, Roberts said he tried steroids four years ago.
"In 2003, when I took one shot of steroids, I immediately realized that this was not what I stood for or anything that I wanted to continue doing. I never used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance enhancing drugs prior to or since that single incident," he said.
"I can honestly say before God, myself, my family and all of my fans, that steroids or any performance-enhancing drugs have never had any effect on what I have worked so hard to accomplish in the game of baseball."
Roberts, who has been the subject of trade rumors with the Chicago Cubs, was in the Mitchell report because former teammate Larry Bigbie informed investigators that Roberts told him he used steroids "once or twice" in 2003.
"I am very sorry and I deeply regret ever making that terrible decision," Roberts said in the statement. "My only hope and prayer is that the Orioles, my family, friends and fans that have supported me so faithfully will forgive me."
Roberts has twice been named to the American League all-star team, including last season. He has a career batting average of .281. Returning from offseason elbow surgery, in 2007 he batted .290 and stole a career-high 50 bases.
On Dec. 6, Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald reported that it would take at least two players and possibly three players from the Cubs to get the switch-hitting second baseman. Cubs insiders indicated that Roberts was an attractive player to them.
He has never failed a drug test and previously had denied vigorously ever using performance-enhancing drugs.
"I have worked very hard to develop a good reputation both on and off the field," he said in the statement. "I have always taken pride in being a man of integrity and values. I know that by being a professional athlete, I am held to a very high standard. I never have and never will take that for granted. However, I am also human and I have made mistakes."
Roberts was named in former Sen. George Mitchell's report on steroid use in major league baseball. The report came out last Thursday, but Roberts did not immediately respond.
In a statement issued Tuesday to The Associated Press, Roberts said he tried steroids four years ago.
"In 2003, when I took one shot of steroids, I immediately realized that this was not what I stood for or anything that I wanted to continue doing. I never used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance enhancing drugs prior to or since that single incident," he said.
"I can honestly say before God, myself, my family and all of my fans, that steroids or any performance-enhancing drugs have never had any effect on what I have worked so hard to accomplish in the game of baseball."
Roberts, who has been the subject of trade rumors with the Chicago Cubs, was in the Mitchell report because former teammate Larry Bigbie informed investigators that Roberts told him he used steroids "once or twice" in 2003.
"I am very sorry and I deeply regret ever making that terrible decision," Roberts said in the statement. "My only hope and prayer is that the Orioles, my family, friends and fans that have supported me so faithfully will forgive me."
Roberts has twice been named to the American League all-star team, including last season. He has a career batting average of .281. Returning from offseason elbow surgery, in 2007 he batted .290 and stole a career-high 50 bases.
On Dec. 6, Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald reported that it would take at least two players and possibly three players from the Cubs to get the switch-hitting second baseman. Cubs insiders indicated that Roberts was an attractive player to them.
He has never failed a drug test and previously had denied vigorously ever using performance-enhancing drugs.
"I have worked very hard to develop a good reputation both on and off the field," he said in the statement. "I have always taken pride in being a man of integrity and values. I know that by being a professional athlete, I am held to a very high standard. I never have and never will take that for granted. However, I am also human and I have made mistakes."
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^ No.
Cuz...they white.
Cuz...they white.
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Originally Posted by dom
I agree. Time heals all wounds.
what people need to remember is that STEROIDS WERE NOT ILLEGAL IN BASEBALL UNTIL 2003 They were an illegal substance according the gov't but baseball had no penalty, no testing in place, didn't give a shit.
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Originally Posted by IlliNorge
Just for that I hope Fukudome gets caught in customs with a syringe in his ass.
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Uh, Roger, Mitchell report got your tongue?
Remember that cell phone TV commercial you did about not being able to hear your wife on the other end of the line? Well, that's what it's like as we wait for you to do more than issue statements denying allegations by your former personal trainer that he injected you with steroids and human growth hormone.
Two paragraphs -- that's all we got Tuesday. And all 109 words were issued conveniently through one of your agents.
Most of the statement repeats what your recently hired Houston attorney, Rusty Hardin, said when your name bubbled to the top of the Mitchell report surface: deny, deny, deny.
The second part of the statement is the keeper, though. That's where you wonder why "25 years in public life" didn't earn you a Get Out Of Mitchell Report card, as if celebrity status exempted you from legitimate scrutiny. And then you said you planned to address questions "at the appropriate time in the appropriate way.
"I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment."
Rush? Of course not. You take your time and let us know when it's good for you. We'll just sit here, maybe do a Sudoku, and wonder why the supposed greatest pitcher of our generation is taking so long to step in front of a microphone, look America in the eye, and answer every question anyone has about the allegations made by your former trainer, Brian McNamee.
Interesting how this works out. You ask us not to be influenced by the accusations, and yet your legal mouthpiece made sure to carpet-bomb McNamee's credibility by calling him "a troubled man" who divulged your alleged involvement with performance enhancers "after being threatened with possible prison time."
Yes, well, that's sort of how it works with the feds. They find pressure points and then push. Your mouthpiece knows that, and if he didn't then you need a new lawyer.
McNamee talked to the feds. A lot. He talked about injecting you with Winstrol and HGH, and he talked about providing your buddy and teammate Andy Pettitte with HGH. Pettitte admitted two days later that he took the stuff. You? A lot of angry denials, but nothing else.
It's been five days since the Mitchell report was released, five days since Hardin said you "vehemently" disputed the allegations and that you were "outraged" your name was included in the document.
During that time, other Mitchell report alums -- Pettitte, Brian Roberts, Fernando Vina, F.P. Santangelo, Mark Carreon, Gary Bennett -- have stepped forward to admit that, yes, the allegations against them were essentially true.
Meanwhile, the seven-time Cy Young winner and former stone-cold lock for the Hall of Fame still can't appear in public? You're so outraged that your lawyer has all but ruled out the possibility of suing Major League Baseball?
So much doesn't make sense here. Hardin said you didn't know the specifics of McNamee's allegations until the Mitchell report was released last Thursday. He also said you have "no meaningful way to combat" the allegations.
You're kidding, right? Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell said he invited every player named in the report to meet with him "so I could inform him of the evidence supporting the allegations and give him a chance to respond." Those explanations would be included in the report itself.
Sorry, Roger, but you most definitely had an opportunity to combat McNamee's version of performance-enhancer history. You could have explained it then, denied it then, gone public then. Instead, silence.
You weren't a victim. You chose not to confront the man who would have detailed the allegations against you. If you were blindsided by McNamee's testimony, then it was your own fault.
Hardin also said you've never tested positive for the substances in question. Fine. I believe that. I also believe, as the Chicago Tribune's Phil Hersh noted recently, that Marion Jones never officially tested positive in 160 drug tests. So you'll pardon me if I remain suspicious about the testing process, especially given the gaping holes in Major League Baseball's previous policies.
I spoke earlier this week with Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), the Hall of Fame pitcher who has followed the issue of performance-enhancing drugs -- and MLB's reaction to it -- with interest and deep concern. Your name came up.
It was Bunning who offered Mitchell the assistance of a Senate committee (and the subpoena power that came with it), but Mitchell declined. "I have a copy of the letter," Bunning said. "I'm going to save it for posterity."
And it is Bunning who said a House Government Reform Committee member should have pressed Mark McGwire for a straight answer during those March 2005 hearings.
"Somebody should have pursued him on that committee [and said], 'I'm asking you point blank did you or did you not use steroids when you played baseball?'" Bunning said.
But Bunning said McGwire, for all intents and purposes, took the Fifth Amendment. That doesn't mean one should assume guilt. "I don't think you should assume anything," Bunning said.
But one can assume it was a very, very odd time to go quiet. Just like it's an odd time to hide behind lawyers and carefully worded statements.
I asked Bunning, as a Hall of Fame inductee, if he'd welcome you, Roger, into the Cooperstown club.
"I'm going to let the process work before I make a public utterance on that," he said. "If he is found guilty of cheating, no, I wouldn't welcome him. So let's wait and find out. I'm not going to judge him on that, other than the fact that I was shocked to see him in [the Mitchell report]."
I also told Bunning about your lawyer's contention that you had no way to defend yourself against the allegations. I asked if a congressional hearing, where you (and others) could put your hand on a Bible, swear an oath and explain yourself to a baseball-loving nation, might be a feasible option.
"I think baseball should do this and not the federal government," Bunning said. He said such a hearing would be "a last resort," adding that "baseball should be able to clean up its own house first."
So that means your next option could be a meeting with MLB commissioner Bud Selig. Is that meaningful enough?
"The shoe is on Bud Selig's foot," Bunning said. "He's the one who asked for the report. Now he's either going to abide by the findings of the report and give these people a chance to cleanse themselves, or not."
But one of the shoes is on your foot, too, Roger. How long do we have to wait for the "appropriate" time for you to speak openly and directly to your baseball constituency?
I've made it clear how I feel about the hitter's version of you -- Barry Bonds. I think Bonds took performance enhancers and has lied about it. I think his numbers are fraudulent and he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. The book, "Game of Shadows," provided the prosecutorial road map and, if Bonds' case goes to trial, I think the federal case against him will provide the confirmation of his guilt.
But any difference between your situation and Bonds' situation is evaporating quickly. Maybe some people gave you the benefit of the doubt over Bonds because of a likability factor. If they did, they should reconsider.
This isn't about who's a "good" or a "bad" guy. The feds didn't go after Bonds because he's a narcissist. This is about compromising a game and its history, about choosing between moral high and low roads, about the simple act of cheating and lying.
Brian McNamee has spoken. When will you?
Remember that cell phone TV commercial you did about not being able to hear your wife on the other end of the line? Well, that's what it's like as we wait for you to do more than issue statements denying allegations by your former personal trainer that he injected you with steroids and human growth hormone.
Two paragraphs -- that's all we got Tuesday. And all 109 words were issued conveniently through one of your agents.
Most of the statement repeats what your recently hired Houston attorney, Rusty Hardin, said when your name bubbled to the top of the Mitchell report surface: deny, deny, deny.
The second part of the statement is the keeper, though. That's where you wonder why "25 years in public life" didn't earn you a Get Out Of Mitchell Report card, as if celebrity status exempted you from legitimate scrutiny. And then you said you planned to address questions "at the appropriate time in the appropriate way.
"I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment."
Rush? Of course not. You take your time and let us know when it's good for you. We'll just sit here, maybe do a Sudoku, and wonder why the supposed greatest pitcher of our generation is taking so long to step in front of a microphone, look America in the eye, and answer every question anyone has about the allegations made by your former trainer, Brian McNamee.
Interesting how this works out. You ask us not to be influenced by the accusations, and yet your legal mouthpiece made sure to carpet-bomb McNamee's credibility by calling him "a troubled man" who divulged your alleged involvement with performance enhancers "after being threatened with possible prison time."
Yes, well, that's sort of how it works with the feds. They find pressure points and then push. Your mouthpiece knows that, and if he didn't then you need a new lawyer.
McNamee talked to the feds. A lot. He talked about injecting you with Winstrol and HGH, and he talked about providing your buddy and teammate Andy Pettitte with HGH. Pettitte admitted two days later that he took the stuff. You? A lot of angry denials, but nothing else.
It's been five days since the Mitchell report was released, five days since Hardin said you "vehemently" disputed the allegations and that you were "outraged" your name was included in the document.
During that time, other Mitchell report alums -- Pettitte, Brian Roberts, Fernando Vina, F.P. Santangelo, Mark Carreon, Gary Bennett -- have stepped forward to admit that, yes, the allegations against them were essentially true.
Meanwhile, the seven-time Cy Young winner and former stone-cold lock for the Hall of Fame still can't appear in public? You're so outraged that your lawyer has all but ruled out the possibility of suing Major League Baseball?
So much doesn't make sense here. Hardin said you didn't know the specifics of McNamee's allegations until the Mitchell report was released last Thursday. He also said you have "no meaningful way to combat" the allegations.
You're kidding, right? Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell said he invited every player named in the report to meet with him "so I could inform him of the evidence supporting the allegations and give him a chance to respond." Those explanations would be included in the report itself.
Sorry, Roger, but you most definitely had an opportunity to combat McNamee's version of performance-enhancer history. You could have explained it then, denied it then, gone public then. Instead, silence.
You weren't a victim. You chose not to confront the man who would have detailed the allegations against you. If you were blindsided by McNamee's testimony, then it was your own fault.
Hardin also said you've never tested positive for the substances in question. Fine. I believe that. I also believe, as the Chicago Tribune's Phil Hersh noted recently, that Marion Jones never officially tested positive in 160 drug tests. So you'll pardon me if I remain suspicious about the testing process, especially given the gaping holes in Major League Baseball's previous policies.
I spoke earlier this week with Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.), the Hall of Fame pitcher who has followed the issue of performance-enhancing drugs -- and MLB's reaction to it -- with interest and deep concern. Your name came up.
It was Bunning who offered Mitchell the assistance of a Senate committee (and the subpoena power that came with it), but Mitchell declined. "I have a copy of the letter," Bunning said. "I'm going to save it for posterity."
And it is Bunning who said a House Government Reform Committee member should have pressed Mark McGwire for a straight answer during those March 2005 hearings.
"Somebody should have pursued him on that committee [and said], 'I'm asking you point blank did you or did you not use steroids when you played baseball?'" Bunning said.
But Bunning said McGwire, for all intents and purposes, took the Fifth Amendment. That doesn't mean one should assume guilt. "I don't think you should assume anything," Bunning said.
But one can assume it was a very, very odd time to go quiet. Just like it's an odd time to hide behind lawyers and carefully worded statements.
I asked Bunning, as a Hall of Fame inductee, if he'd welcome you, Roger, into the Cooperstown club.
"I'm going to let the process work before I make a public utterance on that," he said. "If he is found guilty of cheating, no, I wouldn't welcome him. So let's wait and find out. I'm not going to judge him on that, other than the fact that I was shocked to see him in [the Mitchell report]."
I also told Bunning about your lawyer's contention that you had no way to defend yourself against the allegations. I asked if a congressional hearing, where you (and others) could put your hand on a Bible, swear an oath and explain yourself to a baseball-loving nation, might be a feasible option.
"I think baseball should do this and not the federal government," Bunning said. He said such a hearing would be "a last resort," adding that "baseball should be able to clean up its own house first."
So that means your next option could be a meeting with MLB commissioner Bud Selig. Is that meaningful enough?
"The shoe is on Bud Selig's foot," Bunning said. "He's the one who asked for the report. Now he's either going to abide by the findings of the report and give these people a chance to cleanse themselves, or not."
But one of the shoes is on your foot, too, Roger. How long do we have to wait for the "appropriate" time for you to speak openly and directly to your baseball constituency?
I've made it clear how I feel about the hitter's version of you -- Barry Bonds. I think Bonds took performance enhancers and has lied about it. I think his numbers are fraudulent and he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. The book, "Game of Shadows," provided the prosecutorial road map and, if Bonds' case goes to trial, I think the federal case against him will provide the confirmation of his guilt.
But any difference between your situation and Bonds' situation is evaporating quickly. Maybe some people gave you the benefit of the doubt over Bonds because of a likability factor. If they did, they should reconsider.
This isn't about who's a "good" or a "bad" guy. The feds didn't go after Bonds because he's a narcissist. This is about compromising a game and its history, about choosing between moral high and low roads, about the simple act of cheating and lying.
Brian McNamee has spoken. When will you?
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