I just have to say...
08-03-2004, 06:40 PM
#42
What your problem is?
Originally Posted by cali TL
lol ur unflappable love for Joe Gibbs really is amazing to me, what made you start this thread neway?
is he like your granpappy?? maybe stepdad, or mayb your the illegitamate son he does not acknowledge??? 
08-03-2004, 06:43 PM
#43
Interesting. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by cali TL
When coaching a football team, for every play you have to tell 75 percent of the players to take two steps in one direction and get in someones way, and have the other players (ones handling the ball) to run in along an imaginary line. You basically are programming football players brains so that running the plays is an instinct, and the only way to do that is have them run plays over and over and over. Not very hard. In basketball, the coach isnt walking every player through every step he should take, so in the practice time, you need to teach the kids how to think, how to predict, and how to play. I will never say that basketball is a harder game to manage, but it is by no means an easier sport to win from a coaches perspective.
25% of the total number of football players in a game (lets just say 22 - 11 offense, 11 defense, forget that different players go in on special teams ) amounts to 5 full players. Thus in football, 5 players need to be taught how to think, how to predict, and how to play. In basketball, there are 5 players on the court at any one time, so 5 players must also be taught how to think, how to predict, and how to play. So it looks even here.
BUT, in football (as you admitted in your post), there are many more formations, plays, etc. So teaching those 5 football players how to think, how to predict, and how to play is a lot more involved. Thus coaching football is more difficult from a teaching how to think, how to predict, and how to play standpoint.
You can argue that you must teach more than 5 players that in basketball because players are subbed. However, players are subbed in football too so that's a moot point. Also recall that I didn;t consider special teams in football.
By the way, I've played ice hockey all my life.
08-04-2004, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by wstevens
Okay, you're right. Lets take a closer look at Don Shula.
First of all, I think Shula is a great coach. Greatest of all time? One could make an argument (and you did), but I still disagree.
First of all, Don Shula won 2 Super Bowls, but LOST 4. Now, I can see losing a Super Bowl or two. But 4? What the hell happened? All of Shula's Super Bowl teams (except maybe the 1982 team) had at least 1-2 incredible players, including a great QB. The 1982 team did not have any real stars, so it was a good job getting to the title game. However, they lost that game to the Redskins, coached by none other than Joe Gibbs.
The long haul arguement is a good one, unless you consider how he fared since his last Super Bowl victory in 1973
1973 Miami Dolphins 12-2 1st -- AFC East 3-0 Won Superbowl
1974 Miami Dolphins 11-3 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1975 Miami Dolphins 10-4 2nd -- AFC East --
1976 Miami Dolphins 6-8 3rd -- AFC East --
1977 Miami Dolphins 10-4 2nd -- AFC East --
1978 Miami Dolphins 11-5 2nd -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Wild Card Playoffs
1979 Miami Dolphins 10-6 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1980 Miami Dolphins 8-8 3rd -- AFC East --
1981 Miami Dolphins 11-4-1 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1982 Miami Dolphins 7-2 T2nd -- AFC 3-1 Lost Superbowl
1983 Miami Dolphins 12-4 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1984 Miami Dolphins 14-2 1st -- AFC East 2-1 Lost Superbowl
1985 Miami Dolphins 12-4 1st -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Conference Championship
1986 Miami Dolphins 8-8 3rd -- AFC East --
1987 Miami Dolphins 8-7 T2nd -- AFC East --
1988 Miami Dolphins 6-10 5th -- AFC East --
1989 Miami Dolphins 8-8 T2nd -- AFC East --
1990 Miami Dolphins 12-4 2nd -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1991 Miami Dolphins 8-8 T2nd -- AFC East --
1992 Miami Dolphins 11-5 1st -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Conference Championship
1993 Miami Dolphins 9-7 2nd -- AFC East --
1994 Miami Dolphins 10-6 1st -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1995 Miami Dolphins 9-7 T2nd -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Wild Card Playoffs
These are fairly decent playoff accomplishments, but no titles in the last 22 years he coached. The most disappointing part of this is that his last ten years (1985-1995), he had one of the best (if not THE best) quarterbacks of all time playing for him and he could not get the team back into the title game. By the time he retired (which was probably 5 years too late), his style and gameplans were considered by some to be old fashioned.
The 1972 perfect season? Yes, great season, but they only played 14 games back then. Joe Gibbs' 1991 Redskins team went 14-2. That team could have been perfect in 1972 as well. In addition Shula's 1972 team had what about 5 Hall of Famers on it?
The 1991 (Super Bowl Champion) Washington Redskins did not have a SINGLE Hall of Famer, unless you count Joe Gibbs.
First of all, I think Shula is a great coach. Greatest of all time? One could make an argument (and you did), but I still disagree.
First of all, Don Shula won 2 Super Bowls, but LOST 4. Now, I can see losing a Super Bowl or two. But 4? What the hell happened? All of Shula's Super Bowl teams (except maybe the 1982 team) had at least 1-2 incredible players, including a great QB. The 1982 team did not have any real stars, so it was a good job getting to the title game. However, they lost that game to the Redskins, coached by none other than Joe Gibbs.
The long haul arguement is a good one, unless you consider how he fared since his last Super Bowl victory in 1973
1973 Miami Dolphins 12-2 1st -- AFC East 3-0 Won Superbowl
1974 Miami Dolphins 11-3 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1975 Miami Dolphins 10-4 2nd -- AFC East --
1976 Miami Dolphins 6-8 3rd -- AFC East --
1977 Miami Dolphins 10-4 2nd -- AFC East --
1978 Miami Dolphins 11-5 2nd -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Wild Card Playoffs
1979 Miami Dolphins 10-6 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1980 Miami Dolphins 8-8 3rd -- AFC East --
1981 Miami Dolphins 11-4-1 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1982 Miami Dolphins 7-2 T2nd -- AFC 3-1 Lost Superbowl
1983 Miami Dolphins 12-4 1st -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1984 Miami Dolphins 14-2 1st -- AFC East 2-1 Lost Superbowl
1985 Miami Dolphins 12-4 1st -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Conference Championship
1986 Miami Dolphins 8-8 3rd -- AFC East --
1987 Miami Dolphins 8-7 T2nd -- AFC East --
1988 Miami Dolphins 6-10 5th -- AFC East --
1989 Miami Dolphins 8-8 T2nd -- AFC East --
1990 Miami Dolphins 12-4 2nd -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1991 Miami Dolphins 8-8 T2nd -- AFC East --
1992 Miami Dolphins 11-5 1st -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Conference Championship
1993 Miami Dolphins 9-7 2nd -- AFC East --
1994 Miami Dolphins 10-6 1st -- AFC East 1-1 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1995 Miami Dolphins 9-7 T2nd -- AFC East 0-1 Lost Wild Card Playoffs
These are fairly decent playoff accomplishments, but no titles in the last 22 years he coached. The most disappointing part of this is that his last ten years (1985-1995), he had one of the best (if not THE best) quarterbacks of all time playing for him and he could not get the team back into the title game. By the time he retired (which was probably 5 years too late), his style and gameplans were considered by some to be old fashioned.
The 1972 perfect season? Yes, great season, but they only played 14 games back then. Joe Gibbs' 1991 Redskins team went 14-2. That team could have been perfect in 1972 as well. In addition Shula's 1972 team had what about 5 Hall of Famers on it?
The 1991 (Super Bowl Champion) Washington Redskins did not have a SINGLE Hall of Famer, unless you count Joe Gibbs.
Great points - especially the point about Marino - and I retract my submission. I've thought about it and Gibbs also deserves coaching points for his work on his NASCAR team too. He's been a champ in two sports - how many can say that? I can't call him the greatest off all time though because he's jumped back into the fray - so his story is unfinished. We'll see what happens. I'd love to see him do really well. 
08-04-2004, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wstevens
I can't believe someone gave me negative rep points just for talking a little smack. Give me a break. It's just all in fun, people.
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08-25-2004, 03:53 PM
#47
What your problem is?
Originally Posted by wstevens
Joe Gibbs could coach the fucking Indian badminton team to a Super Bowl victory, as long as they had a decent offensive line.
08-25-2004, 04:56 PM
#48
Interesting. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by indoMFP
You bring this fucking thread back to life to post a desi cut down??? And you wonder how you get negative rep points???
08-25-2004, 04:59 PM
#49
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Plus I got into an arguement with a coworker about what was harder to coach: football or basketball, and I had to reference my post from a few weeks ago.
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