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The legend.
Hockey has lost a giant.
Hockey has lost a giant.
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But, Crawford is a no-name goalie...so, don't matter if he goes down. Hawks will slot in another no-namer.
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Well, at least it wasn't an Elton John concert. Cuz, well now. Thuper of the :ghey:...
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How bout them Bruins
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Bortuzzo gets 2 games for "interference" after no penalty called on the ice. According to the league's own rule book, a player must be hit more than .6 seconds after the puck has passed in order to be considered interference, the time elapsed with Jagr was .39 seconds. Yet again, the league ignores it's own rules to make up suspensions. This is the first interference suspension I've ever heard of. If it wasn't old man Jagr getting hit, I don't believe there would even have been a hearing.
I know "Pengoons"
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I think he got suspended for not manning up and taking his punishment. Apparently crosby's got his next concussion scheduled for the 29th.
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@ Oilers...
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It was funny watching Tootoo try to fight Bortz, Bishop Tootoo is a midget compared to Bortz. He said he didn't forget the number, go get him small fry!
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Dude. It's DECEMBER...and the Oilers still have not beaten ANYONE from the Western Conference.
Seriously.
The Philly 76ers won last night...so, Edmonton now has the longest losing streak in ALL of sports.
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The Philly 76ers won last night...so, Edmonton now has the longest losing streak in ALL of sports.
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Hawks looking mighty fine last night
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Hornqvist gets elbowed in the head, and interfered with... Where's the 2 game suspension?
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The first 6 teams to play an NHL season together were the Montreal Canadians, the Toronto St. Patricks, the Ottawa Senators, the Quebec Bulldogs, the Montreal Maroons, and the Boston Bruins.
Here's why they aren't the "Original Six".
How the NHL's Original Six Got Their Names
Here's why they aren't the "Original Six".
Any hockey fan worth their salt knows the term “Original Six.” Those words immediately bring to mind images from the NHL’s rich history–from a time when goalies had no masks, and giants like Eddie Shore and Toe Blake patrolled the ice. Most fans can also correctly identify the teams that make up the Original Six: The Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Boston Bruins and New York Rangers. Where things start to get fuzzy is when you start asking people why these teams are called the Original Six in the first place (SPOILER ALERT: It’s not because they were the first six teams in the NHL). But in order to understand how these teams became known as the Original Six, we need to jump in the Wayback Machine and look at how the NHL came to be.
The Birth of a League
The NHL was “born” in November of 1917, when four club owners from the National Hockey Association (NHA) formed a new league due to ongoing disputes with the fifth NHA owner (Eddie Livingstone, owner of the Toronto Blueshirts). Because the NHA constitution prohibited them from removing Livingstone from the league, they instead voted to remove themselves from the NHA. At the same time, they formed a new league and called it the National Hockey League. Livingstone was now the only remaining owner in the NHA, and in spite of Livingstone’s numerous lawsuits, the league soon suspended operations permanently.
The fledgling NHL had some problems right out of the gate as well. Without a team in Toronto, the NHL had no presence in one of Canada’s largest cities. At the same time, the Quebec Bulldogs decided that they could not participate in the league’s first two seasons due to financial difficulties. This left the new league with only three teams (the Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Wanderers, and Ottawa Senators). To address both issues, the league awarded a temporary franchise to the owners of Toronto’s Arena Gardens, which was the only professional-level arena in the area. The Toronto team had no official nickname, but still won the NHL’s first league championship (using many players from Livingstone’s Toronto Blueshirts). They also won the Stanley Cup by defeating the Vancouver Millionaires of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association (PCHA).
The NHL’s first season started with four teams, but was quickly reduced to three when the Montreal Arena burned down only four games into the season, leaving the Montreal Wanderers without a place to play. The team had been having problems from the beginning, and without an arena they disbanded permanently. The next season Toronto’s “team to be named later” was granted a permanent franchise, becoming the Toronto Arenas. The Arenas are now listed as the 1918 Stanley Cup champs (their name was added to the Cup in 1947), but at the time they won, they still had no official nickname.
The four franchises (Montreal, Toronto, Quebec and Ottawa–with Quebec eventually moving to Hamilton) remained the only teams in the NHL until 1924, when two expansion teams joined (the Boston Bruins and the Montreal Maroons). The NHL was now at six teams, just not “the” Original Six. Over the next 18 years, teams would join and leave the league periodically–the NHL had as many as ten franchises during this era. But the Great Depression and World War II took their toll in more ways than one, and with the disbanding of the Brooklyn Americans in 1942, the NHL had shrunk back to six teams.
The Original Six Era
For the next 25 years, the six teams left standing at the beginning of the 1942 season were all the NHL had. It was these six teams that went on to become known as The Original Six. But that name only took hold after the NHL expanded in 1967, when they added six new teams and doubled in size. The term “Original Six” started appearing in newspaper articles in 1967, and was used to differentiate the six existing franchises from the six new expansion teams. The phrase gained popularity, and soon became a household name throughout the hockey world.
So there you have it–the birth of The Original Six, and how they got their name.
The Birth of a League
The NHL was “born” in November of 1917, when four club owners from the National Hockey Association (NHA) formed a new league due to ongoing disputes with the fifth NHA owner (Eddie Livingstone, owner of the Toronto Blueshirts). Because the NHA constitution prohibited them from removing Livingstone from the league, they instead voted to remove themselves from the NHA. At the same time, they formed a new league and called it the National Hockey League. Livingstone was now the only remaining owner in the NHA, and in spite of Livingstone’s numerous lawsuits, the league soon suspended operations permanently.
The fledgling NHL had some problems right out of the gate as well. Without a team in Toronto, the NHL had no presence in one of Canada’s largest cities. At the same time, the Quebec Bulldogs decided that they could not participate in the league’s first two seasons due to financial difficulties. This left the new league with only three teams (the Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Wanderers, and Ottawa Senators). To address both issues, the league awarded a temporary franchise to the owners of Toronto’s Arena Gardens, which was the only professional-level arena in the area. The Toronto team had no official nickname, but still won the NHL’s first league championship (using many players from Livingstone’s Toronto Blueshirts). They also won the Stanley Cup by defeating the Vancouver Millionaires of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association (PCHA).
The NHL’s first season started with four teams, but was quickly reduced to three when the Montreal Arena burned down only four games into the season, leaving the Montreal Wanderers without a place to play. The team had been having problems from the beginning, and without an arena they disbanded permanently. The next season Toronto’s “team to be named later” was granted a permanent franchise, becoming the Toronto Arenas. The Arenas are now listed as the 1918 Stanley Cup champs (their name was added to the Cup in 1947), but at the time they won, they still had no official nickname.
The four franchises (Montreal, Toronto, Quebec and Ottawa–with Quebec eventually moving to Hamilton) remained the only teams in the NHL until 1924, when two expansion teams joined (the Boston Bruins and the Montreal Maroons). The NHL was now at six teams, just not “the” Original Six. Over the next 18 years, teams would join and leave the league periodically–the NHL had as many as ten franchises during this era. But the Great Depression and World War II took their toll in more ways than one, and with the disbanding of the Brooklyn Americans in 1942, the NHL had shrunk back to six teams.
The Original Six Era
For the next 25 years, the six teams left standing at the beginning of the 1942 season were all the NHL had. It was these six teams that went on to become known as The Original Six. But that name only took hold after the NHL expanded in 1967, when they added six new teams and doubled in size. The term “Original Six” started appearing in newspaper articles in 1967, and was used to differentiate the six existing franchises from the six new expansion teams. The phrase gained popularity, and soon became a household name throughout the hockey world.
So there you have it–the birth of The Original Six, and how they got their name.
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Interesting article about how Edmonton isn't just bad at hockey, they are also very bad at evaluating and drafting hockey players.
The Oilers have been bad at drafting, too - SBNation.com
The thing about the No. 1 draft pick is, it's only one pick. While the shiny new toy at the top of the pile might be the most attractive, there are well over 200 other toys that make up the drafting process in a given year. In the case of the Oilers, the 2010 and 2011 draft classes not only meant getting the first pick, but also the 31st pick. And the 61st pick. And the 91st pick. And so on.
Edmonton's roster only has two players on it -- forward Tyler Pitlick (2010) and defenseman Jeff Petry (2006) -- that were selected by the Oilers after the first round (both players were taken in Round 2). There are six other players on the roster that were selected by Edmonton and they were all taken in the first round.
By comparison, the Boston Bruins have eight "home grown" players on their roster, the Chicago Blackhawks have 13 and the Detroit Red Wings have 15.
Edmonton's roster only has two players on it -- forward Tyler Pitlick (2010) and defenseman Jeff Petry (2006) -- that were selected by the Oilers after the first round (both players were taken in Round 2). There are six other players on the roster that were selected by Edmonton and they were all taken in the first round.
By comparison, the Boston Bruins have eight "home grown" players on their roster, the Chicago Blackhawks have 13 and the Detroit Red Wings have 15.
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Interesting article about how Edmonton isn't just bad at hockey, they are also very bad at evaluating and drafting hockey players.
The Oilers have been bad at drafting, too - SBNation.com
The Oilers have been bad at drafting, too - SBNation.com
Could any of Edmonton's "bust" picks from the 2nd round and later be actual players if they went through a good system from say, Detroit, Boston, Pittsburgh, LA, or Chicago...?
Chicken and the egg. Rotten to the core in Edmonton IMO.
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^^^
Personally I think they have no idea how to evaluate talent. Anyone with absolutely no hockey knowledge could make the #1 pick. 90% of the time we all know who the number 1 pick is before we know what team will get them. That's not evaluating talent.
They had the 1st pick every round 3 years in a row, they should have selected the best players from most of those rounds yet players they passed up are succeeding in the NHL.
Personally I think they have no idea how to evaluate talent. Anyone with absolutely no hockey knowledge could make the #1 pick. 90% of the time we all know who the number 1 pick is before we know what team will get them. That's not evaluating talent.
They had the 1st pick every round 3 years in a row, they should have selected the best players from most of those rounds yet players they passed up are succeeding in the NHL.
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Personally I think they have no idea how to evaluate talent. Anyone with absolutely no hockey knowledge could make the #1 pick. 90% of the time we all know who the number 1 pick is before we know what team will get them. That's not evaluating talent.
They had the 1st pick every round 3 years in a row, they should have selected the best players from most of those rounds yet players they passed up are succeeding in the NHL.
Personally I think they have no idea how to evaluate talent. Anyone with absolutely no hockey knowledge could make the #1 pick. 90% of the time we all know who the number 1 pick is before we know what team will get them. That's not evaluating talent.
They had the 1st pick every round 3 years in a row, they should have selected the best players from most of those rounds yet players they passed up are succeeding in the NHL.
So, it must be the development system in the Oilers organization...the staff just aren't teaching good fundamental skills to the kids...and I think you are kinda seeing that since the mistakes the Oilers are making during this stink-streak (11 in a row) that lead to losses and goals? They are of the awful-you-can't-do-that variety.
So, flawed fundamentals being taught to the young players.
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Well, the numbers of "home grown" players for the bruins also doesn't include Torey Krug who was drafted in the.... oh wait, no one drafted him he was signed as an "undrafted free agent".
I really think there is quite a lot of ineptitude in their scouting. It certainly doesn't help that the system is weak but you can't tell me none of those players they drafted after the 1st round could develop themselves? Or is their system so bad that they could have drafted datsyuk and made him terrible? Shouldn't someone has to be able to improve thier game despite the poor development program
I really think there is quite a lot of ineptitude in their scouting. It certainly doesn't help that the system is weak but you can't tell me none of those players they drafted after the 1st round could develop themselves? Or is their system so bad that they could have drafted datsyuk and made him terrible? Shouldn't someone has to be able to improve thier game despite the poor development program
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Well, the numbers of "home grown" players for the bruins also doesn't include Torey Krug who was drafted in the.... oh wait, no one drafted him he was signed as an "undrafted free agent".
I really think there is quite a lot of ineptitude in their scouting. It certainly doesn't help that the system is weak but you can't tell me none of those players they drafted after the 1st round could develop themselves? Or is their system so bad that they could have drafted datsyuk and made him terrible? Shouldn't someone has to be able to improve thier game despite the poor development program
I really think there is quite a lot of ineptitude in their scouting. It certainly doesn't help that the system is weak but you can't tell me none of those players they drafted after the 1st round could develop themselves? Or is their system so bad that they could have drafted datsyuk and made him terrible? Shouldn't someone has to be able to improve thier game despite the poor development program
But, I think it's both issues...poor drafting/scouting and poor development. Who was the idiot who suggested signing Nikitin to that contract? Horrid scouting. Who was the idiot who suggested drafting Yakupov instead of drafting a center to pass the puck to all those wingers...? Horrid scouting.
Other side of the coin: Who was the idiot who keeps allowing Hall/Eberle/Yakupov to suck so much at back-checking and being defensively responsible if say, the D is pinching? Horrid development/coaching. Who was the idiot who keeps letting goalies get hung out to dry and not asking the D/forwards to play soundly in Edmonton's zone? Horrid development/coaching.
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If I were mcdavid or eichel, I'd be tanking hoping it lowers my draft stock. Being the number 1 pick is like career suicide.
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So, really Sharks? You really lost to the Oilers?
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The crazy thing is, with the way they are playing, Dallas may be in a position to land that pick. That would put them in a position to move Spezza for defense. That's just insane to think about.
Unlikely, but far more likely than it was at the beginning at the seasons.
My Blackhawks, on the other hand, are looking good, but this may be the real championship window closing if Stan Bowman doesn't play his cards right. Cap hell coming to Chicago in 2015, I'm afraid.
Unlikely, but far more likely than it was at the beginning at the seasons.
My Blackhawks, on the other hand, are looking good, but this may be the real championship window closing if Stan Bowman doesn't play his cards right. Cap hell coming to Chicago in 2015, I'm afraid.
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The crazy thing is, with the way they are playing, Dallas may be in a position to land that pick. That would put them in a position to move Spezza for defense. That's just insane to think about.
Unlikely, but far more likely than it was at the beginning at the seasons.
My Blackhawks, on the other hand, are looking good, but this may be the real championship window closing if Stan Bowman doesn't play his cards right. Cap hell coming to Chicago in 2015, I'm afraid.
Unlikely, but far more likely than it was at the beginning at the seasons.
My Blackhawks, on the other hand, are looking good, but this may be the real championship window closing if Stan Bowman doesn't play his cards right. Cap hell coming to Chicago in 2015, I'm afraid.