TacoBello

Draisaitl kind of came out of nowhere. He's easily the oilers 2nd best player now. Even when he wasn't playing with McOiler (moved down to the 2nd line), he would perform admirably.

I think oilers should have have signed him first, and let that be the precedent for signing McLightning after.... I bet they could have saved a million in there, between the two, as opposed to signing McHumble first and now Draisaitl wanting more, because hey, McYoungGun got mad cash, now he should also.

I dunno. I think Draisaitl is worth 8.5-9M per year. It's whether or not the Oilers can make two salaries like that work for them.

Yes, it's a ton of money... but... I dunno. I don't think McBananas is worth double what Draisaitl is worth. No way.

While teams have been busy trying to slow down or stop McSkeetSkeetSkeet, they completely turned a blind eye to draisaitl, allowing him to become a very very clutch player. They would focus so much on stopping one guy, they totally forgot about the other... and goals would be made.

TacoBello

So really, I would've signed draisaitl first, at say, 7.5-8M... then signed McSavior at 12M....

as opposed to signing McSavior at 12.5M first, and now draisaitl wanting to be up there too, at 9M.

the Oilers could've saved up to 2M in salary cap space. That's not insignificant.

Yumcha

My "issue" with Drysightoe is that we don't know how he plays as an "alpha". He racked up a pile of points on the PP and often was shotgun with McDavid, right? I mean, sure he had a great playoff but so did Bryan Bickell for the Hawks. I dunno...I'm not saying he's NOT talented but I don't have a good gauge on his true ability. We've never seen him really on his own much to say he's $9M AAV...?



McDavid's accomplishments are as follows: He would have land-slide won the Calder if he did not get hurt. He was the only 100 point player in the League and it's just his FIRST full season. He won the Hart too. It was his FIRST playoffs and he does not have the supporting cast Crosby had (hello, Malkin??) when the latter won the Cup the 1st time. It's different circumstances and I agree, he has not accomplished as much YET. And honestly, I have my reservations if McDavid will ever sip the Cup because the Oilers' team, the way it's constructed, does not have what it takes to run with the best teams in the League yet. I just don't see it. The defense is still very suspect and I'm not sold if the Oil can win 16 games for the Cup.

Still, as an individual player, and you know I have no love for Edmonton, I think he's the best in the NHL right now. And I have no bias towards either him or Crosby. It's just as an unbiased observer since I don't cheer for either team.

TacoBello

Draisaitl didn't always play with McHugeCock.

As mentioned, he played admirably when he was on the 2nd line, without McPussyPunisher

TacoBello

I guess at the end of the day, I just have to trust Chiarelli and whatever he does. He hasn't let us (the fans) down yet.

Yumcha

Well, ask Boston. Cuz, I think with Jimmahay Hayes getting let go a week ago, the Bruins have ZIP to show for Seguin. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Yumcha

Linsee Ruff joins the Rangers: Rangers add Ruff to coaching staff - Article - TSN

TacoBello

I'll be honest, I don't know the intricacies of the seguin deal. But, suffice to say, every GM makes a bad deal at some point. Yes, even Deano.

Yumcha

No. Wrong.

Deano never makes a bad deal. Never.

TacoBello

I guess view point does impact what one sees. Unfortunately Deano can't see the forest, from the trees.

Yumcha

MOST blockbuster trades...where an uber-talented player is sent packing usually is a loss for the former team. Almost always is. The only one where I can think where the return was better was Lindros going to Philly and what came back to the Nordiques.

Forsberg on his own probably was good enough.




So, I was semi-@$$ing it about Sharelli's vision. I think the difference here is, the "Chicago and Pittsburgh" model had the teams winning the Cup before the mega deals kinda got divied. With Edmonton, it's a bit cart before horse? Cuz, for Chicago, Kane/Toews' mega-deals kicked in after the last Cup win and well, we see them exiting after the 1st round twice in a row since because so much talent has left. Pens have mega-deals in place for Malkin and Sid and they DID win because the kids stepped up for them. So, it's important that the kids really step up for the Oil before they want to get paid or I suspect Edmonton is in the same boat as Chicago.

TacoBello

By that logic, the Oilers have to win the cup in 2017-2018, as mcjesus is up for signing after that. I mean, they can offer him 7.5M and hope he takes it (if they don't win) or he will be long gone to another team in no time- one that will easily pay him 12.5M+

Yumcha

Kings hire Turgeon: Kings name Turgeon 'Offensive Coordinator' - Article - TSN

Yumcha

And I dunno...it's just speculation, dude. Cuz, when you have 2 players taking up that much cap space and Loocheech's hanging around, what is really available to pay for the depth help?

Cup winners are almost always on the strength of powerful 3rd lines and even 4th lines. Look at the Pens with Fill the Thrill in the 3rd line...Hawks had Patrick Sharp on the 3rd line in their last Cup win. So, it'll be interesting to see the Oil pull this off.

TacoBello

I don't disagree. I get the feeling the Oilers might get close to the cup finals, but they surely won't win them. Who knows if they'll even make it into the cup finals.

What I do know is chiarelli to the team from 28th place, to 8th place overall in the regular season. He must be doing something right. Perfect? No.

Yumcha

Your last statement would not be true at all if Edmonton did not get lucked out with one of the greatest players ever. Like, snarking aside about Deano, you could have the greatest GM on the planet but without the players, Edmonton does not make that leap.

But, on his own, McDavid has IMO, given Edmonton that jump. He's THAT good.

97BlackAckCL

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You forgot where the Maple Domchas paid Phil the Thrill to win 2 cups too

Yumcha

I'll say that ANY GM would've taken Edmonton from last to 8th with McDavid gifted to the team. That's all I'm saying.

Drysightoe would not be THIS good if there was no trickle effect of McDavid. #1 pairings or top checkers are on the ice against McDavid. Drysightoe has the luxury of not seeing the checking line. So, imagine he was the lone ranger without McDavid. I don't know if it is conclusive that he'd be as good as he is. I see him as a cause-and-effect player?

Yumcha

Yeah...no kidding.

He was not a 3rd-liner on the Leaves though. Sid and Malkin gets most of the attention and voila, allows Fill to score those very-uber-important goals. Same goes for Sharp when he was on the 3rd line for Chicago.

TacoBello

youre giving mcdavid too much credit. He played the year before- granted, he was injured, but still played about 45 games and the Oilers did no better while he was on the ice. One guy can't do it all. It was the team chiarelli built around him. Let's just agree to disagree

TacoBello

we've gone over this already. Draisaitl did not always play with mcdavid. Draisaitl did damn well playing on a different line. I'm sure there is cause and effect playing with mcdavid, but you're suggesting draisaitl is a bum without him, which couldn't be further from the truth. He was lighting it up even without mcdavid, quite regularly.

97BlackAckCL

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Actually Phil's goal production was down this year, but he showed up in the playoffs like he always does. I still need to send Dom a cake thanking him for helping pay Phil's salary so he could win us those cups

TacoBello

Im pretty sure Dom suffered an aneurysm after that

97BlackAckCL

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I miss Domcha, Fibby needs to go visit and unlock the basement door

TacoBello

He's still on the floor twitching, after the 2nd cup win

97BlackAckCL

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Poor Domcha

BTW, I went to see Lord Stanley again last week, he says hi

Yumcha

Yeah...just a discussion and we can definitely agree to disagree.

BUT...Per my post, I was not saying at all Drysightoe was playing with McDavid. They can be on different lines and Drysightoe would still benefit because as I said, the top pairings and checking lines would be up against McDavid for most of the game. And yes, in 2015, McDavid went down to injury after 48 games. Drysightoe had 51 points, right? I don't have the stats but how did he do after McDavid went on IR...? But, last season's "supernova" from Leon is IMO, due to McDavid playing a whole season and most teams focusing on well, the franchise player.

I'm not saying the German kid sucks. I just think he's a bit "inflated" because he's got McDavid playing in front of him. You obviously have to be able to finish and set up too. So, I'm not exactly calling him the second coming of Yakupov.

Yumcha

You'd think dom would be happy with the fact the Leaves' youth movement looks to be working. Where is that guy?

TacoBello

He's eating a hotdog in remembrance of Phil.

97BlackAckCL

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He's getting some ink work done...

Yumcha

Rick Tokket leaves to coach the Phoenix Yotes.

Pens hire Mark Rekki. Penguins replace Tocchet with Recchi - Article - TSN

97BlackAckCL

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We knew that this was coming for a while, Recchi is a good choice to replace Tok, Rex has worked in player development for the last 3 years and has done a great job with the young players that have been developed and inserted into the lineup

Fibonacci

Promised him a ride when I finally got my NSX and am hitting The Six next weekend for an inaugural road trip to stay true to my word...

97BlackAckCL

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Pens had an event for Season Ticket holders last night with a round table and premiere viewing of their Cup Championship DVD, was very well done and brought up a lot of emotions from all the roller coasters of the season, definitely glad that I got to go

e30cabrio

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5.35 mil per for Zibanejad. Can he live up to it? Not sure how I feel about 5 years, we keep getting burned by long deals.

97BlackAckCL

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^I thought they overpaid, but seems pretty standard these days

e30cabrio

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The 5 million seems like the going rate (if he produces) but alot can happpen between 24-29. Also, can he fill Stepan's skates?

Fibonacci

Is it October yet?

97BlackAckCL

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Nope

You ready for your overpriced beer and pizza arena?

97BlackAckCL

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Crosby turned 30 yesterday, crazy!