Boxing: News and Discussion Thread
05-03-2009, 04:58 PM
#161
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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So what? I picked Pac to win against Hatton. Hatton is overrated and easy to hit. Manny had the perfect style to beat him he had the styles advantage. On paper no one knew Oscar was going to be weight drained against Pac hell he even needed an IV before the fight. Even roach admitted Oscar looked sick on the HBO 24/7 show, he saw the blood marks on Oscar's arm and knew Oscar wasn't at his best. We'll see who has the last laugh. Pac won't be fighting a limited flawed guy like Hatton. Nor we he be fighting a weight drained guy who was a shell of his former self. He'll be fighting a bigger more skilled man who is in his prime now is a stylistic nightmare for him. Anyone who has followed Pac's career knows he has problems with counter-punchers see the JMM fights for reference and Floyd is a better counter puncher and better defensive fighter than JMM is. The fact is Floyd Mayweather Jr is all wrong for Pac stylistically and size. Pac has 3 losses so they're 3 ways to beat him. Floyd has never been beaten and has dominated 90% of the boxers he's been in the ring with. When the two meet you'll find out who the real pound for pound #1 boxer in the world is. His name is Floyd Mayweather Jr.
05-03-2009, 11:02 PM
#163
^^who gives a fuck. Its all talk until they fight, and Mayweather hasn't fought anyone of consequence in years. Hatton's overrated, right? It took 11 rounds to out counter Hatton, so there isn't anything behind his counters.
And if you missed it, Manny fought with counters too. The Manny you all are talking about was 5 bouts ago. He ain't walking into any of that "style" nowadays.
And if you missed it, Manny fought with counters too. The Manny you all are talking about was 5 bouts ago. He ain't walking into any of that "style" nowadays.
05-04-2009, 01:34 AM
#164
^^who gives a fuck. Its all talk until they fight, and Mayweather hasn't fought anyone of consequence in years. Hatton's overrated, right? It took 11 rounds to out counter Hatton, so there isn't anything behind his counters.
And if you missed it, Manny fought with counters too. The Manny you all are talking about was 5 bouts ago. He ain't walking into any of that "style" nowadays.
And if you missed it, Manny fought with counters too. The Manny you all are talking about was 5 bouts ago. He ain't walking into any of that "style" nowadays.
I havent spoken about manny at all. I never said that Mayweather will KO manny. I said Mayweather will win. He will have more points at the end.
05-04-2009, 02:10 AM
#165
1999 CL3.0
Hey,
do you remember the 1st few rounds of Judah-Mayweather?
Judah pressured Floyd and actually won 2 or 3 rounds of the fight.
I know Judah fell apart mentally like he usually does, but these are the type of things that you need to keep in mind.
Boxers are not immortal, and I am not a novice boxing fan.
I train weekly, I'm not in great shape, but I know boxing.
The type of pressure that Hatton put on Floyd is entirely
different for the type of pressure JMM or Pacquiao are capable of.
The type of pressure that Judah put on Floyd is also completely different.
Both of these guys (JMM/Pac) do not crumble mentally, and they have quality trainers;
compare Roach and Beristain to Zoel Judah and Floyd Sr., hello!?!.
Both of these guys are boxers than can punch, Pacquaio being more of a puncher.
I agree with you that Floyd has the advantage of being fast, defensive AND larger.
But really, pound for pound, I see Manny as the champ.
Even if Floyd was still active and never took a break.
Manny's track record speaks for itself.
Pacquiao made Barerra, Morales, AND Marquez look bad at times.
Mayweather made Corrales look bad,
Gatti look bad, and some b-list guys (Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Baldomir) look bad.
So bottom line, what Mayweather did to Hatton and DLH, Pacquiao outdid him.
The quality of opposition that Manny faced is top-notch compared to so-so's.
Marquez is a stand-up guy, a quality fighter who is on a streak: Juarez, Casamayor,
Diaz, all in a row - VERY impressive, despite his split-loss to Pacquiao (which is arguable).
Sorry to ramble on here, but lets be real,
Floyd has his work cut out for him.
do you remember the 1st few rounds of Judah-Mayweather?
Judah pressured Floyd and actually won 2 or 3 rounds of the fight.
I know Judah fell apart mentally like he usually does, but these are the type of things that you need to keep in mind.
Boxers are not immortal, and I am not a novice boxing fan.
I train weekly, I'm not in great shape, but I know boxing.
The type of pressure that Hatton put on Floyd is entirely
different for the type of pressure JMM or Pacquiao are capable of.
The type of pressure that Judah put on Floyd is also completely different.
Both of these guys (JMM/Pac) do not crumble mentally, and they have quality trainers;
compare Roach and Beristain to Zoel Judah and Floyd Sr., hello!?!.
Both of these guys are boxers than can punch, Pacquaio being more of a puncher.
I agree with you that Floyd has the advantage of being fast, defensive AND larger.
But really, pound for pound, I see Manny as the champ.
Even if Floyd was still active and never took a break.
Manny's track record speaks for itself.
Pacquiao made Barerra, Morales, AND Marquez look bad at times.
Mayweather made Corrales look bad,
Gatti look bad, and some b-list guys (Sharmba Mitchell, Carlos Baldomir) look bad.
So bottom line, what Mayweather did to Hatton and DLH, Pacquiao outdid him.
The quality of opposition that Manny faced is top-notch compared to so-so's.
Marquez is a stand-up guy, a quality fighter who is on a streak: Juarez, Casamayor,
Diaz, all in a row - VERY impressive, despite his split-loss to Pacquiao (which is arguable).
Sorry to ramble on here, but lets be real,
Floyd has his work cut out for him.
05-04-2009, 11:22 AM
#168
05-05-2009, 03:30 PM
#170
where is....
im not sure about pacman beating JR, in the second round of pacman,hitman he was getting a little antsy and starting to swing wide and wild. if hitman was a counter fighter he would of gotten a few clean hits in the beginning of round 2.
but i still think JR is going to get crushed, i've never witnessed someone come out of retirement and still be at the peak of his game.
but i still think JR is going to get crushed, i've never witnessed someone come out of retirement and still be at the peak of his game.
05-05-2009, 09:18 PM
#171
Racer
Man all this hate on Manny, first I heard alot of people saying that De Laquit was going to beat him blah blah blah, then he wins and then everyone doesn't even give him credit for it, they just say "oh De Laquit is way past his prime".
I can see it now when Pacman beats Pretty Boy there gonna make more excuses saying "he just came back he was rusty and not the same as before".
Screw the haters man, Pacman was a diamond in the rough and Roach refined him and turned him from a brawler into a boxer.
I can see it now when Pacman beats Pretty Boy there gonna make more excuses saying "he just came back he was rusty and not the same as before".
Screw the haters man, Pacman was a diamond in the rough and Roach refined him and turned him from a brawler into a boxer.
05-05-2009, 09:54 PM
#172
where is....
pacman is good, but hes not undefeated. JR is though. pacman has 3 losses and 2 draws.
i think it was the 24/7 special where freddy roach said that he noticed de la hoya miserably failed his weight control and noticed he was weak and told pacman to jump on it from the start.
but if i had to put my money on someone, im definitely going to put it on pacman.
i think it was the 24/7 special where freddy roach said that he noticed de la hoya miserably failed his weight control and noticed he was weak and told pacman to jump on it from the start.
but if i had to put my money on someone, im definitely going to put it on pacman.
05-07-2009, 02:20 PM
#174
1999 CL3.0
if you're holding a belt, losses are an advantage.
you've been there and you don't wanna go back to that losing feeling.
plus you have a belt and a reputation to withhold.
you've been there and you don't wanna go back to that losing feeling.
plus you have a belt and a reputation to withhold.
05-20-2009, 04:59 PM
#175
ADVANCE.
Everyone is gonna hate on Pac and that's fine. If there is a Pacquiao v.s. Mayweather fight I predict Pacquiao victorious because of two words. "FREDDIE ROACH" Also Manny ISS the #1 pound for pound fighter and is just on a roll right now, beat around everyone in their own weight devision and leaving with their belts on his waist. People say Pac will get tired chasing Mayweather around, now that's funny cuz the man wants to go 12 rounds ANYWAYS... He's on whoever's ass regardless every single time so chasing Mayweather won't be anything different to Manny. I'm pretty sure Freddie Roach is going to remind him of that and find a solution. Manny is very disciplined and he listens to his coach. So we'll see Manny victorious once again and smiling at all his oponents. Of course Mayweather is undefeated, but theres a first time for everything. He should just go back to WWE and fight Big Show again... haha.. Hilarious...
PEACE!
PEACE!
07-12-2009, 02:54 PM
#176
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Boxing: Arturo Gatti found dead
The Gatti-Ward fights in early 2000 were great to watch. Nothing like those fights are on nowadays. 
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4321150
SAO PAULO -- Former boxing champion Arturo Gatti, one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, was found dead in a hotel room in the posh seaside resort of Porto de Galihnas early Saturday.
Police investigator Edilson Alves told The Associated Press that the body of the former junior welterweight champ was discovered in his hotel room at the tourist resort, where Gatti had arrived on Friday with his Brazilian wife Amanda and 1-year-old son.
Alves said police were investigating and it was unclear how the 37-year-old Canadian died. Foul play is suspected in the death, the CBC reported.
[+] EnlargeArturo Gatti
AP Photo/Mel EvansArturo Gatti celebrates his win over Thomas Damgaard in 2006.
"It is still too early to say anything concrete, although it is all very strange," Alves said.
A spokeswoman for the state public safety department said Gatti's wife and son were unhurt. The women declined to give a name in keeping with department policy.
"There were no bullet or stab wounds on his body, but police did find blood stains on the floor," she said.
Brazilian boxer and four-time world champion Acelino "Popo" Freitas told the G1 Web site of Brazil's largest television network Globo that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife, and that he "knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate, but I didn't know they were in Brazil."
Francisco Assis, a local police investigator, told G1 that Gatti could have died up to eight hours before his body was found early Saturday.
Gatti (40-9, 31 KOs), nicknamed "Thunder", was best known for his all-action style, which was epitomized in his classic trilogy with Micky Ward in 2002 and 2003.
It's why Gatti was a fixture at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., where he drew huge crowds and fought many times, including the final nine fights of his career.
"His entire boxing career he fought with us, we've known him since he was 17," Kathy Duva of promoter Main Events told The Associated Press. "It's just an unspeakable tragedy. I can't even find words. It's a horror."
He won two world titles in his 16-year pro career. In 1995, he won his first one, outpointing Tracy Harris Patterson to claim the IBF junior lightweight title.
In his first fight after the Ward trilogy -- which Gatti won 2-1 -- he captured a world title in his second division, outpointing Gianluca Branco for the vacant WBC junior welterweight title in January 2004.
Gatti made two defenses before losing the title to Floyd Mayweather Jr. via sixth-round TKO in June 2005. He returned to defeat Thomas Damgaard but lost his final two bouts, a ninth-round TKO in a challenge to then-welterweight champion Carlos Baldomir in July 2006 followed by a one-sided beating from former "Contender" star Alfonso Gomez in July 2007.
In the dressing room following the seventh-round knockout loss to Gomez, Gatti announced his retirement.
Referee Randy Neumann said it was tough for him to end that fight, simply because of Gatti's incredible ability to come back in fights.
"I couldn't stop that fight, simply because he was Arturo Gatti," Neumann said. "He was much more dignified to go out that way. He had to be counted out. When he fought, you never knew if he could come back. He looked beaten and still came back."
With that loss, Gatti acknowledged the end of all his travails and triumphs.
"I remember walking away from his last fight, and somebody walked up to him in the casino late at night and congratulated him," Duva said. "And he said, 'Why did he congratulate me?' And I said, 'He was excited to meet you.' And he kind of looked very surprised by that.
"He had no idea what an icon he was or how much he meant to people."
More than his titles, Gatti will be remembered for the slugfests. He was half of the Ring magazine fight of the year four times for two the Ward fights as well as his 1997 fifth-round knockout of Gabriel Ruelas to retain the junior lightweight title and a 1998 decision loss to Ivan Robinson.
Gatti had two memorable battles with Robinson as well as dramatic fights with Wilson Rodriguez, Angel Manfredy and Calvin Grove -- all before the trilogy with Ward that defined his career.
Gatti was a staple of HBO's boxing broadcasts, appearing on the network 21 times.
"HBO Sports is tremendously saddened by the passing of Arturo Gatti," HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg said. "He was one of the legendary warriors in boxing, and his three epic battles with Micky Ward will live on in the sport's rich history. All of us at HBO Sports will miss his warm and friendly presence, and our deepest sympathy goes out to his manager Pat Lynch, promoter Main Events, led by Kathy Duva, and the entire Arturo Gatti family. Boxing has lost a great and humble man."
Gatti had been working in real estate in Montreal following his retirement, but still attended fights, as he did in April for the Timothy Bradley-Kendall Holt junior welterweight unification bout at the Bell Centre in Montreal.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4321150
SAO PAULO -- Former boxing champion Arturo Gatti, one of the most exciting fighters of his generation, was found dead in a hotel room in the posh seaside resort of Porto de Galihnas early Saturday.
Police investigator Edilson Alves told The Associated Press that the body of the former junior welterweight champ was discovered in his hotel room at the tourist resort, where Gatti had arrived on Friday with his Brazilian wife Amanda and 1-year-old son.
Alves said police were investigating and it was unclear how the 37-year-old Canadian died. Foul play is suspected in the death, the CBC reported.
[+] EnlargeArturo Gatti
AP Photo/Mel EvansArturo Gatti celebrates his win over Thomas Damgaard in 2006.
"It is still too early to say anything concrete, although it is all very strange," Alves said.
A spokeswoman for the state public safety department said Gatti's wife and son were unhurt. The women declined to give a name in keeping with department policy.
"There were no bullet or stab wounds on his body, but police did find blood stains on the floor," she said.
Brazilian boxer and four-time world champion Acelino "Popo" Freitas told the G1 Web site of Brazil's largest television network Globo that he was a close friend of Gatti and his wife, and that he "knew they were having some sort of problem and were about to separate, but I didn't know they were in Brazil."
Francisco Assis, a local police investigator, told G1 that Gatti could have died up to eight hours before his body was found early Saturday.
Gatti (40-9, 31 KOs), nicknamed "Thunder", was best known for his all-action style, which was epitomized in his classic trilogy with Micky Ward in 2002 and 2003.
It's why Gatti was a fixture at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J., where he drew huge crowds and fought many times, including the final nine fights of his career.
"His entire boxing career he fought with us, we've known him since he was 17," Kathy Duva of promoter Main Events told The Associated Press. "It's just an unspeakable tragedy. I can't even find words. It's a horror."
He won two world titles in his 16-year pro career. In 1995, he won his first one, outpointing Tracy Harris Patterson to claim the IBF junior lightweight title.
In his first fight after the Ward trilogy -- which Gatti won 2-1 -- he captured a world title in his second division, outpointing Gianluca Branco for the vacant WBC junior welterweight title in January 2004.
Gatti made two defenses before losing the title to Floyd Mayweather Jr. via sixth-round TKO in June 2005. He returned to defeat Thomas Damgaard but lost his final two bouts, a ninth-round TKO in a challenge to then-welterweight champion Carlos Baldomir in July 2006 followed by a one-sided beating from former "Contender" star Alfonso Gomez in July 2007.
In the dressing room following the seventh-round knockout loss to Gomez, Gatti announced his retirement.
Referee Randy Neumann said it was tough for him to end that fight, simply because of Gatti's incredible ability to come back in fights.
"I couldn't stop that fight, simply because he was Arturo Gatti," Neumann said. "He was much more dignified to go out that way. He had to be counted out. When he fought, you never knew if he could come back. He looked beaten and still came back."
With that loss, Gatti acknowledged the end of all his travails and triumphs.
"I remember walking away from his last fight, and somebody walked up to him in the casino late at night and congratulated him," Duva said. "And he said, 'Why did he congratulate me?' And I said, 'He was excited to meet you.' And he kind of looked very surprised by that.
"He had no idea what an icon he was or how much he meant to people."
More than his titles, Gatti will be remembered for the slugfests. He was half of the Ring magazine fight of the year four times for two the Ward fights as well as his 1997 fifth-round knockout of Gabriel Ruelas to retain the junior lightweight title and a 1998 decision loss to Ivan Robinson.
Gatti had two memorable battles with Robinson as well as dramatic fights with Wilson Rodriguez, Angel Manfredy and Calvin Grove -- all before the trilogy with Ward that defined his career.
Gatti was a staple of HBO's boxing broadcasts, appearing on the network 21 times.
"HBO Sports is tremendously saddened by the passing of Arturo Gatti," HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg said. "He was one of the legendary warriors in boxing, and his three epic battles with Micky Ward will live on in the sport's rich history. All of us at HBO Sports will miss his warm and friendly presence, and our deepest sympathy goes out to his manager Pat Lynch, promoter Main Events, led by Kathy Duva, and the entire Arturo Gatti family. Boxing has lost a great and humble man."
Gatti had been working in real estate in Montreal following his retirement, but still attended fights, as he did in April for the Timothy Bradley-Kendall Holt junior welterweight unification bout at the Bell Centre in Montreal.
07-12-2009, 08:43 PM
#178
ESPN just said that his wife was arrested for his murder.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4322072
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4322072
08-29-2009, 06:42 PM
#182
Team Owner
PPV boxing tonight!
Just wondering if anyone is watching the Hector Camacho fight tonight? One of my best friends of 15 years, Billy Baily, is fighting on this card for his first PPV event. I don't think I've ever been this nervous for a fight.
This will be the first time I choose boxing over UFC in the same night.
This will be the first time I choose boxing over UFC in the same night.
Camacho's still fighting?
08-29-2009, 10:38 PM
#184
Team Owner
My friend lost but he went all 10 rounds. I'm incredibly proud, can't wait to get back home and party.
09-20-2009, 12:08 AM
#192
Suzuka Master
Typical Mayweather fight, dominated from the opening bell.. you just can't hit the guy 
That, and he might be the most accurate puncher ever.
Anxious to see if Pacquiao's more aggressive style would cause Floyd some trouble. Shane Mosley would be a great fight too. He's right - Floyd's been dodging the fight for a long time..
That, and he might be the most accurate puncher ever.Anxious to see if Pacquiao's more aggressive style would cause Floyd some trouble. Shane Mosley would be a great fight too. He's right - Floyd's been dodging the fight for a long time..
09-20-2009, 03:07 AM
#194
'12 & '13 AL West Champs!
The fight was 
. Mayweather was running and ducking all night. 
I want to see Mayweather fight Mosley though, I think Mayweather is afraid of Mosley.
. Mayweather was running and ducking all night. I want to see Mayweather fight Mosley though, I think Mayweather is afraid of Mosley.
09-20-2009, 06:42 PM
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09-21-2009, 09:31 PM
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fight was ok, but the post-fight interview with Kellerman, Floyd and Sugar Shane was great...
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