The Blatant Racist, Golf Edition
01-09-2008, 11:21 AM
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The Blatant Racist, Golf Edition
I'm sure you saw this but in case you haven't... WTF???????? need to find video on this...
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...h-tiger-woods/
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...h-tiger-woods/
Golf Channel Anchor Kelly Tilghman Says Young Golfers Should 'Lynch Tiger Woods'
Michael David Smith
Posted Jan 8th 2008 2:01PM by Michael David Smith
The woman you see in the photo here caddying for Arnold Palmer is Kelly Tilghman, a former college golfer at Duke who now is play-by-play announcer for The Golf Channel's PGA Tour broadcasts.
Tilghman made a shocking comment during Friday's telecast of the PGA Tour's opening event. She said -- on the air -- that today's young players should "lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley."
What was Tilghman thinking? Who knows. It's not entirely clear what point Tilghman was trying to make with what she apparently thought was a joke, but she may have been trying to say that the only chance today's young players will ever have of overtaking Woods as the No. 1 golfer in the world is to hurt him. Hilarious.
According to New York's Newsday, a spokesman for the Golf Channel said Tilghman apologized during Sunday's broadcast and has "reached out to Woods' representatives to express her regrets for the comments."
Apologizing and reaching out is better than nothing, but it's rather surprising that the apology took two days and that in the era of Don Imus, so little attention has been paid to this comment. It's hard to understand how a person who would use such a poor choice of words is in the broadcasting business.
Michael David Smith
Posted Jan 8th 2008 2:01PM by Michael David Smith
The woman you see in the photo here caddying for Arnold Palmer is Kelly Tilghman, a former college golfer at Duke who now is play-by-play announcer for The Golf Channel's PGA Tour broadcasts.
Tilghman made a shocking comment during Friday's telecast of the PGA Tour's opening event. She said -- on the air -- that today's young players should "lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley."
What was Tilghman thinking? Who knows. It's not entirely clear what point Tilghman was trying to make with what she apparently thought was a joke, but she may have been trying to say that the only chance today's young players will ever have of overtaking Woods as the No. 1 golfer in the world is to hurt him. Hilarious.
According to New York's Newsday, a spokesman for the Golf Channel said Tilghman apologized during Sunday's broadcast and has "reached out to Woods' representatives to express her regrets for the comments."
Apologizing and reaching out is better than nothing, but it's rather surprising that the apology took two days and that in the era of Don Imus, so little attention has been paid to this comment. It's hard to understand how a person who would use such a poor choice of words is in the broadcasting business.
01-09-2008, 11:38 AM
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what would make her say that? think it through.
01-09-2008, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
what would make her say that? think it through.
They explained it in the article -> "she may have been trying to say that the only chance today's young players will ever have of overtaking Woods as the No. 1 golfer in the world is to hurt him"
Not funny , and a dumb comment, yes. And she should perhaps apologize for talking about having him hurt. But racist? That's a stretch IMO.
01-09-2008, 11:47 AM
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To hurt him, by lynching him. If he was of a different race, she most likely would not have used that term. Tell me again, that that is not racist.
01-09-2008, 12:02 PM
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I sometimes feel like we may be living in a more racially-charged world than ever. It's just that, you mostly never hear it. But when it does come out like this, boy can it be ugly. And when it does come out in the open like this, people are so quick to "apologize" and downplay the incident, like it was just a "slip" in words and nothing more - no, it's not racist, it just came out wrong. Guess what, it means that's WHAT'S INSIDE YOUR HEAD.
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01-09-2008, 12:06 PM
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People use the term lynching all the time now. It's more of a bad coincidence that he is (half) black. I don't think she meant it in that way and thats why I think it's a stretch.
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but I just don't automatically associate the word lynching with blacks.
Maybe it's the Canadian in me, but I just don't automatically associate the word lynching with blacks.
01-09-2008, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
People use the term lynching all the time now
01-09-2008, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
uhh.. no they don't. not in the US at least. and whether he's half-black or full-black is irrelevant.
From Wiki:
Lynching, a felony in some states in the U.S.A., is defined by some codes of law as "Any act of violence inflicted by a mob upon the body of another person which results in the death of the person,"
I don't see the automatic connection to racism.
Again, maybe its the Canadian in me and I am unaware of some particular history in the US, or cultural factor.
01-09-2008, 12:15 PM
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I don't know why you are trying so hard to think this is not a racist incident.
01-09-2008, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
I don't know why you are trying so hard to think this is not a racist incident.
But seriously, I just feel that the racism card sometimes get pulled too quickly. In my mind, it was just a bad choice of words or a really dumb thing to say, but I don't think there were any racist intentions.
01-09-2008, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Cuz I can;t stand Tiger
But seriously, I just feel that the racism card sometimes get pulled too quickly. In my mind, it was just a bad choice of words or a really dumb thing to say, but I don't think there were any racist intentions.
But seriously, I just feel that the racism card sometimes get pulled too quickly. In my mind, it was just a bad choice of words or a really dumb thing to say, but I don't think there were any racist intentions.
but see, if it was a bad choice of words, if she said the wrong thing, that imo is MORE indication that it's racist - BECAUSE - she has said something naturally, without thinking it through - she said what is exactly in her head. I'm not a fan of the racist card myself - but this incident does not leave much room for interpretation, imo.
01-09-2008, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
It sounds to me like the media is trying hard to turn this into a big story.
01-09-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
a-HA!!!
but see, if it was a bad choice of words, if she said the wrong thing, that imo is MORE indication that it's racist - BECAUSE - she has said something naturally, without thinking it through - she said what is exactly in her head. I'm not a fan of the racist card myself - but this incident does not leave much room for interpretation, imo.
but see, if it was a bad choice of words, if she said the wrong thing, that imo is MORE indication that it's racist - BECAUSE - she has said something naturally, without thinking it through - she said what is exactly in her head. I'm not a fan of the racist card myself - but this incident does not leave much room for interpretation, imo.
Just because she said it naturally, doesn't mean she is naturally a racist. Maybe in her head there was also no racist intention. It was just the first word that came to mind and was said, naively but innocently. Is that not possible?
Or maybe she's a big racist. I don't know. It's just that I can't make that stretch from this incident/article alone.
01-09-2008, 12:35 PM
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ok, either she's racist, or just dumb as bricks. or, both. :P
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1ARQqKPaDf8
01-09-2008, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Also srika, keep in mind that I am part black. So I have a soft spot for the plight of the black man.
01-09-2008, 12:37 PM
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ok there is a comment in the Youtube link... assuming this is legit, I guess this incident was "ok".
reading the rest...
Additionally, Mark Steinberg, Tiger Woods' agent, has issued a statement:
"This story is a non-issue. Tiger and Kelly are friends and Tiger has a great deal of respect for Kelly. Regardless of the choice of words used we know unequivocally that there was no ill-intent in her comments. This story is a non-issue in our eyes."
"This story is a non-issue. Tiger and Kelly are friends and Tiger has a great deal of respect for Kelly. Regardless of the choice of words used we know unequivocally that there was no ill-intent in her comments. This story is a non-issue in our eyes."
01-09-2008, 12:39 PM
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this is the explanation I'm getting at:
"...Lynch him in a back alley." This was supposed to be amusing? As a white person, I ask other white people to recognize this for what is: RACISM.
Why? Had Tiger Woods been WHITE, the "joke" wouldn't have worked. (We know that's it's BLACK people who get lynched.) Does it matter that this woman probably isn't a racist, but is a nitwit ignorant enough to think that she can USE racist phrases with impunity? Does it matter than she still has her job? Yes, it does. She should be fired.
Why? Had Tiger Woods been WHITE, the "joke" wouldn't have worked. (We know that's it's BLACK people who get lynched.) Does it matter that this woman probably isn't a racist, but is a nitwit ignorant enough to think that she can USE racist phrases with impunity? Does it matter than she still has her job? Yes, it does. She should be fired.
01-09-2008, 12:40 PM
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Bad choice of words....but not racist.
01-09-2008, 12:44 PM
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another comment from Youtube
This is so sad. It seems like it was meant to be a joke, but a joke that should remain among WHITE PEOPLE. I'm sure all races tell racist jokes that don't make them "racist", but others are listening and we are offended! This was unprofesssional and says more about how we view the holocost of blacks in this country as something we ALL should just "...get over"!!
01-09-2008, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
I posted my youtube howto video the other day.
01-09-2008, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by fdl
Just because she said it naturally, doesn't mean she is naturally a racist. Maybe in her head there was also no racist intention. It was just the first word that came to mind and was said, naively but innocently. Is that not possible?
Or maybe she's a big racist. I don't know. It's just that I can't make that stretch from this incident/article alone.
Or maybe she's a big racist. I don't know. It's just that I can't make that stretch from this incident/article alone.
People of all races and origins have been lynched throughout history. I don't know why people think lynching was created when it was happening to blacks...it's been happening for thousands of years. Can a white person not be lynched?
I've used the word "lynched" before on this website and nobody ever said anything or called me a racist.
01-09-2008, 01:26 PM
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While I agree that the term "lynching" is used in various circumstances (back in the old west for example), but it does hold extra meaning in the black community. It was probably said innocently, but that doesn't mean it isn't offensive. However, if Tiger is willing to accept the apology, then that's it - end of story - move on.
01-09-2008, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
However, if Tiger is willing to accept the apology, then that's it - end of story - move on.
01-09-2008, 05:00 PM
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Stupid comment - absolutely. Should have never been said - yep. Racist comment - not hardly.
What gets me is that Tilghman and Woods live about 5 minutes from eachother and play golf QUITE A BIT together in Orlando.
Personally, I get a kick out of this. Have her apologize to Tiger (which I am sure she has done already) and move on. People slip...people make mistakes. The people who have a problem with this need to go pound fucking salt.
What gets me is that Tilghman and Woods live about 5 minutes from eachother and play golf QUITE A BIT together in Orlando.
Personally, I get a kick out of this. Have her apologize to Tiger (which I am sure she has done already) and move on. People slip...people make mistakes. The people who have a problem with this need to go pound fucking salt.
01-09-2008, 05:06 PM
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ok, you're right - she's ok, people make mistakes.
01-09-2008, 05:08 PM
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you know, she may be Tiger's best friend, and that's all fine and dandy. But what does what she said, say about HER?
01-09-2008, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
But what does what she said, say about HER?
01-09-2008, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
you know, she may be Tiger's best friend, and that's all fine and dandy. But what does what she said, say about HER?
Like I said before, she should apologize to Tiger Woods and Tiger Woods only. Anyone else wanting a public apology ($1 to Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton) just because she made a dumb comment that somehow offended someone of the same race can really, honestly, and truly fuck off.
01-10-2008, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by srika
you know, she may be Tiger's best friend, and that's all fine and dandy. But what does what she said, say about HER?
I wouldn't think that if I told mrsteve (or whoever) jokingly that I was going to lynch him that everyone on the board would bash me. Like I said, I've said it before on here and nobody said anything.
I've just never thought of lynching (the word, or the act) as a racial thing, because it's not....anyone of any color can be lynched.
01-10-2008, 10:46 AM
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Well, good job Sharpton. She got suspended for 2 weeks. Justice is served.
And CBS's headline leaves no room for doubt: Racist remark leads to 2-week suspension
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/golf/story/10567636
Unbelievable. When will people learn that "racist" assumes malintent? Somebody should guillotine Al Sharpton. (The guillotine was predominantly used on whites, therefore this is not a racist comment.)
And CBS's headline leaves no room for doubt: Racist remark leads to 2-week suspension
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/golf/story/10567636
Unbelievable. When will people learn that "racist" assumes malintent? Somebody should guillotine Al Sharpton. (The guillotine was predominantly used on whites, therefore this is not a racist comment.)
01-10-2008, 11:03 AM
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She's pretty cute so who cares...
01-10-2008, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
She's pretty cute so who cares...
Wait Faldo is British, maybe that's an upgrade for you?