2004/2005 NBA Season
#164
did anyone hear about artest? he was benched for two games because he told carlise he needed time off since he had been working so hard on his rap album
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6456047/
haha, unbelievable...imagine showing up at work and telling your boss you want a few days off since you're overexhausted from working on a rap album
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6456047/
haha, unbelievable...imagine showing up at work and telling your boss you want a few days off since you're overexhausted from working on a rap album
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Originally Posted by dabuda
did anyone hear about artest? he was benched for two games because he told carlise he needed time off since he had been working so hard on his rap album
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6456047/
haha, unbelievable...imagine showing up at work and telling your boss you want a few days off since you're overexhausted from working on a rap album
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6456047/
haha, unbelievable...imagine showing up at work and telling your boss you want a few days off since you're overexhausted from working on a rap album
Sorry, charles, I need some time to myself to kinda get back to full strength... yea, that rap album really took a lot out of me...
It's just odd, since Artest is probably the best on the ball defender from one guard to small foward, and probably one of the top 20 in PF defenders.
Junkster, who's fave hustle player is Ron Artest
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Originally Posted by dabuda
did anyone hear about artest? he was benched for two games because he told carlise he needed time off since he had been working so hard on his rap album
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6456047/
haha, unbelievable...imagine showing up at work and telling your boss you want a few days off since you're overexhausted from working on a rap album
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6456047/
haha, unbelievable...imagine showing up at work and telling your boss you want a few days off since you're overexhausted from working on a rap album
Now thats dedication and being a team player.
#171
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Vince Carter scored 21 points for the Raptors but only six after the first quarter, when he hurt the ring finger of his right hand diving for a loose ball.
In a shooting slump recently, he finished 9-of-23 but made only four of 18 shots after hitting his first five. With Los Angeles ahead 82-59 after three periods, he didn't play in the fourth.
``The fingernail actually rolled back on my ring finger and it was bleeding,'' Carter said.
In a shooting slump recently, he finished 9-of-23 but made only four of 18 shots after hitting his first five. With Los Angeles ahead 82-59 after three periods, he didn't play in the fourth.
``The fingernail actually rolled back on my ring finger and it was bleeding,'' Carter said.
What a fawking pansy. Poor baby I'm surprised they didn't rush you to the hospital for that fingernail
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Originally Posted by TSX 'R' US
Da Bullz... 0-5
Deng, on the other hand, is playing well (19.2ppg).
#178
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Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
Its good too see Eddy Curry underperform again. His contract will be up at the end of this year, and I heard he wanted ~10M a year in the new contract! :wtf:
Deng, on the other hand, is playing well (19.2ppg).
Deng, on the other hand, is playing well (19.2ppg).
Yeah there was an article on espn.com about him wanting to stay.
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Grant Hill's game is coming back 20.6ppg!
My two favorite (non-Bulls) players back in the mid 90s were Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway.
Maybe the Bulls can go after Hill next offseason, and try to grab Peja in '06!
My two favorite (non-Bulls) players back in the mid 90s were Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway.
Maybe the Bulls can go after Hill next offseason, and try to grab Peja in '06!
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Grant Hill's game is coming back!! 20.6ppg!
My two favorite (non-Bulls) players back in the mid 90s were Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway.
Maybe the Bulls can go after Hill next offseason, and try to grab Peja in '06!
My two favorite (non-Bulls) players back in the mid 90s were Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway.
Maybe the Bulls can go after Hill next offseason, and try to grab Peja in '06!
#183
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Originally Posted by TSX 'R' US
jordan/pippen days....
#184
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Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
Grant Hill's game is coming back!! 20.6ppg!
My two favorite (non-Bulls) players back in the mid 90s were Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway.
Maybe the Bulls can go after Hill next offseason, and try to grab Peja in '06!
My two favorite (non-Bulls) players back in the mid 90s were Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway.
Maybe the Bulls can go after Hill next offseason, and try to grab Peja in '06!
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Originally Posted by goose25
No team with any sense would go after Hill after his injury problems from the last few years. Orlando is extremely lucky that he's playing again and are finally getting a return on their investment.
Good thing going for Grant now is that his body is not too worn out since he sat almost 4 years.. He may have bigger tank left in him than others at his age.
#186
Originally Posted by sipark
It's really sad what happened to Hill.. He could've been one of the best players in NBA history, with this athleticism and versatility.. Oh, welll... He got paid at least..
Good thing going for Grant now is that his body is not too worn out since he sat almost 4 years.. He may have bigger tank left in him than others at his age.
Good thing going for Grant now is that his body is not too worn out since he sat almost 4 years.. He may have bigger tank left in him than others at his age.
But things happen, and the NBA still is a mystery.
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I don't root for Zo. I think he should have stayed retired and went out with respect and dignity. Now, he's treated like some sideshow or sympathy story.
I like the tough Zo, the one that mopped the floor with Van Gundy, the one that flexed at opponents, the one that wouldn't talk to the other team after a loss...
The Zo on the court now is sad to see.
Junkster, who feels for Hill... and his multimillion dollar contract
I like the tough Zo, the one that mopped the floor with Van Gundy, the one that flexed at opponents, the one that wouldn't talk to the other team after a loss...
The Zo on the court now is sad to see.
Junkster, who feels for Hill... and his multimillion dollar contract
#189
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"Carter, Abdur-Rahim would change teams"
"Vince Carter might finally get his wish: a ticket out of Toronto.
The Raptors and Trail Blazers are discussing a blockbuster seven-player trade that would send Carter to Portland, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith has learned."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
The Raptors and Trail Blazers are discussing a blockbuster seven-player trade that would send Carter to Portland, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith has learned."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
#190
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
"Vince Carter might finally get his wish: a ticket out of Toronto.
The Raptors and Trail Blazers are discussing a blockbuster seven-player trade that would send Carter to Portland, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith has learned."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
The Raptors and Trail Blazers are discussing a blockbuster seven-player trade that would send Carter to Portland, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith has learned."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
yup. not sure I feel about the deal. I hope its just Carter and not Rose.
We'll see how many all-star votes Carter gets playing in Portland
#192
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Originally Posted by domn
Do we need that 14 miilion $ contract that averages 12 PPG and 26 bad shots per?
By the way I found this to be a good read in the Toronto star (Prince Vince ) ...
Raptors set to bow to Prince Vince again
Abdur-Rahim deal could end badly
When Vince Carter stepped aboard the luxury private jet that would take him to the 2000 NBA All-Star Game, he turned up his nose at the wide-ranging in-flight menu, which included prime rib and shrimp cocktail.
A lackey with a van was dispatched to correct the wrong, and soon a 20-pack of Carter's beloved Chicken McNuggets was arriving on the runway.
It's a tiny story, but it also sums up the entire sordid saga of Carter's rise and fall in Raptorland. For more than seven years the local hoop proprietors have bowed to Vinsanity's every flaky whim, buying him everything from fast food to favoured teammates, ditching the players he disdained. And now it looks as though the Raptors are prepared to acquiesce to Prince Vince yet again. It looks as though they're about to give him the trade he wants to a team that's better than his current squad, even though it will almost certainly come at the franchise's pricey expense.
Ever since he arrived at training camp out of shape Carter has been happily watching his stats plummet and his trade value bottoming out, laughing and smiling through wins and losses alike. And if he's concerned — heck, if he even still enjoys playing basketball — he hides it well.
But it won't be long, the trade winds were strongly suggesting yesterday, until Raptor fans will be reading the stories of Carter's renaissance in the U.S. Pacific Northwest, where the Portland Trail Blazers are dangling Shareef Abdur-Rahim in a softie-for-softie swap.
And if it doesn't tick you off that Carter will get his way, go to Portland, and probably immediately play like he means it — and like we know he's always been capable of — then your skin is thicker than Carter's skull.
You'd like to believe there's a general manager in Toronto who would ride this out, let the prima donna discredit himself while opposing general managers, some of whom will inevitably be tempted to make Carter their reclamation project (à la a previously lost cause named Rasheed Wallace), sweeten the pot. The Raptors' 4-5 start is no reason for panic. This club has shown it can win some games without Carter's contribution. So even if he rides the pine, even if he moans, so what?
But if Rob Babcock figures this is his best-case-scenario outcome from the Carter crisis, here's where Babcock's career starts being defined.
If it's Abdur-Rahim for Carter, it's dicey, not the least because Abdur-Rahim shoots too much, plays scant defence and famously wilts in the clutch. If your starting lineup includes Abdur-Rahim and Chris Bosh, both natural power forwards, one of them is out of position. And Donyell Marshall (who is a valuable, albeit tradeable, asset) is out playing time.
What's more, Abdur-Rahim's contract expires at season's end. So if Babcock is basically trading Carter for salary-cap room, the general manager had better understand how attractive Toronto looks to the players he'll presumably try to woo.
Clearing cap space is no panacea. Babcock and his scouting staff will be tested to spend that money productively.
Then again, getting out from under Carter's hefty contract — and, in a better scenario, Jalen Rose's too — would at least give Babcock options where he currently has few. In an ideal world you'd like to see the Raptors ship Carter for a couple of productive players whose contracts will keep them in Hogtown for a few years. In this case you get the sense Babcock's making a career-defining move too hastily, because a lot of potential trade partners won't consider making a move until the season's further along. You get the sense it could end badly when Abdur-Rahim walks and the free agents don't exactly get in line at Canada Customs.
But above all you get the sickening feeling that Carter is about to have his way again, that the ingrate who has repaid Toronto's many kindnesses with a shrug and a fallaway 26-footer is about to go giggling out of view after another Raptors loss.
Abdur-Rahim deal could end badly
When Vince Carter stepped aboard the luxury private jet that would take him to the 2000 NBA All-Star Game, he turned up his nose at the wide-ranging in-flight menu, which included prime rib and shrimp cocktail.
A lackey with a van was dispatched to correct the wrong, and soon a 20-pack of Carter's beloved Chicken McNuggets was arriving on the runway.
It's a tiny story, but it also sums up the entire sordid saga of Carter's rise and fall in Raptorland. For more than seven years the local hoop proprietors have bowed to Vinsanity's every flaky whim, buying him everything from fast food to favoured teammates, ditching the players he disdained. And now it looks as though the Raptors are prepared to acquiesce to Prince Vince yet again. It looks as though they're about to give him the trade he wants to a team that's better than his current squad, even though it will almost certainly come at the franchise's pricey expense.
Ever since he arrived at training camp out of shape Carter has been happily watching his stats plummet and his trade value bottoming out, laughing and smiling through wins and losses alike. And if he's concerned — heck, if he even still enjoys playing basketball — he hides it well.
But it won't be long, the trade winds were strongly suggesting yesterday, until Raptor fans will be reading the stories of Carter's renaissance in the U.S. Pacific Northwest, where the Portland Trail Blazers are dangling Shareef Abdur-Rahim in a softie-for-softie swap.
And if it doesn't tick you off that Carter will get his way, go to Portland, and probably immediately play like he means it — and like we know he's always been capable of — then your skin is thicker than Carter's skull.
You'd like to believe there's a general manager in Toronto who would ride this out, let the prima donna discredit himself while opposing general managers, some of whom will inevitably be tempted to make Carter their reclamation project (à la a previously lost cause named Rasheed Wallace), sweeten the pot. The Raptors' 4-5 start is no reason for panic. This club has shown it can win some games without Carter's contribution. So even if he rides the pine, even if he moans, so what?
But if Rob Babcock figures this is his best-case-scenario outcome from the Carter crisis, here's where Babcock's career starts being defined.
If it's Abdur-Rahim for Carter, it's dicey, not the least because Abdur-Rahim shoots too much, plays scant defence and famously wilts in the clutch. If your starting lineup includes Abdur-Rahim and Chris Bosh, both natural power forwards, one of them is out of position. And Donyell Marshall (who is a valuable, albeit tradeable, asset) is out playing time.
What's more, Abdur-Rahim's contract expires at season's end. So if Babcock is basically trading Carter for salary-cap room, the general manager had better understand how attractive Toronto looks to the players he'll presumably try to woo.
Clearing cap space is no panacea. Babcock and his scouting staff will be tested to spend that money productively.
Then again, getting out from under Carter's hefty contract — and, in a better scenario, Jalen Rose's too — would at least give Babcock options where he currently has few. In an ideal world you'd like to see the Raptors ship Carter for a couple of productive players whose contracts will keep them in Hogtown for a few years. In this case you get the sense Babcock's making a career-defining move too hastily, because a lot of potential trade partners won't consider making a move until the season's further along. You get the sense it could end badly when Abdur-Rahim walks and the free agents don't exactly get in line at Canada Customs.
But above all you get the sickening feeling that Carter is about to have his way again, that the ingrate who has repaid Toronto's many kindnesses with a shrug and a fallaway 26-footer is about to go giggling out of view after another Raptors loss.
#193
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Originally Posted by DEI99662
"Vince Carter might finally get his wish: a ticket out of Toronto.
The Raptors and Trail Blazers are discussing a blockbuster seven-player trade that would send Carter to Portland, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith has learned."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
The Raptors and Trail Blazers are discussing a blockbuster seven-player trade that would send Carter to Portland, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith has learned."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1926133
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Originally Posted by fdl
yup. not sure I feel about the deal. I hope its just Carter and not Rose.
We'll see how many all-star votes Carter gets playing in Portland
We'll see how many all-star votes Carter gets playing in Portland
Didn't Damon Stoudemire start off in Toronto too?
#195
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Originally Posted by corbs
Hey, what's that supposed to mean? Actually I think most people here would welcome the change, especially if it includes Rose. It's tough, a few years ago Portland was one implosion away from teh finals, and last year they didn't even make the play offs. . .
Didn't Damon Stoudemire start off in Toronto too?
Didn't Damon Stoudemire start off in Toronto too?
Yup Damon was an original Raptor. I think what fdl means by All-Star votes in Portland is he won't have anyone voting for him because he's shit. Currently because he plays for the only team in Canada an entire country votes for him.
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Originally Posted by corbs
Didn't Damon Stoudemire start off in Toronto too?
oh BTW, thanks Toronto for taking Jalen Rose and his 14M contract off our hands... hehehe...suckers... but, umm, can we have Donyell Marshall back? Please?
#197
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Originally Posted by corbs
Hey, what's that supposed to mean?
Didn't Damon Stoudemire start off in Toronto too?
yup, he did.
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Originally Posted by TSX 'R' US
Toronto has a basketball team?
Denver Nugs Raptors...
Junkster, who wonders if VC would help the Blazers