2004/2005 NBA Season
#41
Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
KG new favorite player. Game 7 of Min/Sac was probably one of the best performances I've ever seen by someone not named Pippen (ok Jordan too).
Looks like Kobe is already averaging 31.5 over 2 games, despite only shooting 40%
Looks like Kobe is already averaging 31.5 over 2 games, despite only shooting 40%
I hope Kobe fails miserably this year.
#42
Originally Posted by Junkster
Spree, saying that 14 mil a year can't "feed my family"... yea, that's great spree, way to earn sympathy...
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On Sunday, Sprewell demanded a trade because it was "insulting" — that was his word — that the Wolves offered him a three-year, $21 million contract extension. It prompted him to say, "Why would I want to help them win a title?'
Stern had a spin of his own after hearing Sprewell suggest he might not play his hardest. Stern told reporters Tuesday such talk was "corrosive'' and, lumping Sprewell in with what he described as "a few players who spotlight themselves as being so individualistic that they are threatening not to play as hard as they can,'' the commissioner indicated he would take action against them if they "step over'' the edge.
#43
Originally Posted by DEI99662
I hope Kobe fails miserably this year.
#44
Originally Posted by goose25
Also, there is no freaking way that Kenyon Martin is worth $90 million.
Can he score by himself? No.
Can he stay healthy? No.
Can he make his teammates better? No.
Can he lead a team? No.
Can he dominate big men in the west? No.
Can he shoot free throws? No. <---- I find this pathetic for a professional b-ball player.
Can he endorse a product? No.
Can he generate fan interest? No.
Can he be the best player in this team? No.
Ok.. some positive thoughts..
Can he whine about his paycheck? Yes.
Can he get in foul trouble? Yes.
Can he lead the league in flagrant fouls? Yes.
Can he ... mmm...
#45
Originally Posted by goose25
Kobe won't fail but his team will. He'll get his points and start scowling and whining at around the All-Star break about having crappy teammates, that is, unless they play Les Nougats each night. Also, there is no freaking way that Kenyon Martin is worth $90 million.
I like Andrei Kirilenko alot, kind of reminds me of a Scottie Pippen. Not best scorer, not best anything, but a guy who'll do whatever the team needs on any given night. For example, he finished with 16 pts (5-6 and 6-7), 6 rebs, and 8 Blocked Shots. That's a lot of blocked shots for a Small Forward.
#46
K-Mart is not worth 90 Mil.
Boozer is not worth 60ish Mil.
Jamal Crawford is not worth 50ish Mil.
and no one is worth 130 Mil, especially Kobe.
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
Boozer is not worth 60ish Mil.
Jamal Crawford is not worth 50ish Mil.
and no one is worth 130 Mil, especially Kobe.
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
#47
Originally Posted by sipark
Can he shoot? No.
Can he score by himself? No.
Can he stay healthy? No.
Can he make his teammates better? No.
Can he lead a team? No.
Can he dominate big men in the west? No.
Can he shoot free throws? No. <---- I find this pathetic for a professional b-ball player.
Can he endorse a product? No.
Can he generate fan interest? No.
Can he be the best player in this team? No.
Ok.. some positive thoughts..
Can he whine about his paycheck? Yes.
Can he get in foul trouble? Yes.
Can he lead the league in flagrant fouls? Yes.
Can he ... mmm...
Can he score by himself? No.
Can he stay healthy? No.
Can he make his teammates better? No.
Can he lead a team? No.
Can he dominate big men in the west? No.
Can he shoot free throws? No. <---- I find this pathetic for a professional b-ball player.
Can he endorse a product? No.
Can he generate fan interest? No.
Can he be the best player in this team? No.
Ok.. some positive thoughts..
Can he whine about his paycheck? Yes.
Can he get in foul trouble? Yes.
Can he lead the league in flagrant fouls? Yes.
Can he ... mmm...
#48
Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
K-Mart is not worth 90 Mil.
Boozer is not worth 60ish Mil.
Jamal Crawford is not worth 50ish Mil.
and no one is worth 130 Mil, especially Kobe.
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
Boozer is not worth 60ish Mil.
Jamal Crawford is not worth 50ish Mil.
and no one is worth 130 Mil, especially Kobe.
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
#50
Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
K-Mart is not worth 90 Mil.
Boozer is not worth 60ish Mil.
Jamal Crawford is not worth 50ish Mil.
and no one is worth 130 Mil, especially Kobe.
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
Boozer is not worth 60ish Mil.
Jamal Crawford is not worth 50ish Mil.
and no one is worth 130 Mil, especially Kobe.
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
Carlos Boozer stats:
Salary:
2004/05 - $10,967,500 2005/06 - $11,593,816 2006/07 - $11,593,816
2007/08 - $11,593,816 2008/09 - $11,593,817 2009/10 - $12,657,233
Stats with Cleveland Cavaliers
02 - 03 PPG - 10.0 Rebounds - 7.5 Blocks - .62
03 - 04 PPG - 15.5 Rebounds - 15.5 Blocks - .73
Kenyon Martin:
Yearly Salary:
2004/05 - $11,000,000 2005/06 - $10,687,500 2006/07 - $11,875,000
2007/08 - $13,062,500 2008/09 - $14,250,000 2009/10 - $15,437,500
2010/11 - $16,625,000
Previous stats with NJ Nets
00 - 01 PPG - 12.0 Rebounds - 7.40 Blocks - 1.66
01 - 02 PPG - 14.9 Rebounds - 5.30 Blocks - 1.23
02 - 03 PPG - 16.7 Rebounds - 8.30 Blocks - .91
03 - 04 PPG - 16.7 Rebounds - 9.50 Blocks - 1.26
#51
Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
Jeez.. 10 years ago Jordan was getting paid 4 mil a year.
#53
Originally Posted by goose25
These two players have comparable stats, which one do you think is the better deal for his respective team?
Carlos Boozer stats:
Stats with Cleveland Cavaliers
03 - 04 PPG - 15.5 Rebounds - 15.5 Blocks - .73
Carlos Boozer stats:
Stats with Cleveland Cavaliers
03 - 04 PPG - 15.5 Rebounds - 15.5 Blocks - .73
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 CLE 81 54 25.3 .536 .000 .771 2.50 5.00 7.50 1.3 .73 .62 1.27 2.80 10.0
03-04 CLE 75 75 34.6 .523 .167 .768 3.10 8.40 11.40 2.0 .99 .73 1.79 2.70 15.5
04-05 UTA 1 1 34.0 .769 .000 .700 5.00 6.00 11.00 3.0 .00 .00 .00 1.00 27.0
Career 157 130 29.8 .530 .143 .768 2.80 6.60 9.40 1.6 .85 .67 1.51 2.70 12.7
#57
Originally Posted by jlukja
Boozer averaged 11.4 rebounds, not 15.5
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 CLE 81 54 25.3 .536 .000 .771 2.50 5.00 7.50 1.3 .73 .62 1.27 2.80 10.0
03-04 CLE 75 75 34.6 .523 .167 .768 3.10 8.40 11.40 2.0 .99 .73 1.79 2.70 15.5
04-05 UTA 1 1 34.0 .769 .000 .700 5.00 6.00 11.00 3.0 .00 .00 .00 1.00 27.0
Career 157 130 29.8 .530 .143 .768 2.80 6.60 9.40 1.6 .85 .67 1.51 2.70 12.7
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
02-03 CLE 81 54 25.3 .536 .000 .771 2.50 5.00 7.50 1.3 .73 .62 1.27 2.80 10.0
03-04 CLE 75 75 34.6 .523 .167 .768 3.10 8.40 11.40 2.0 .99 .73 1.79 2.70 15.5
04-05 UTA 1 1 34.0 .769 .000 .700 5.00 6.00 11.00 3.0 .00 .00 .00 1.00 27.0
Career 157 130 29.8 .530 .143 .768 2.80 6.60 9.40 1.6 .85 .67 1.51 2.70 12.7
#58
Originally Posted by jlukja
Yeah, he had the same effect on the Lakers last night.
#62
Originally Posted by iamhomin
Kobe, by the way, isn't over paid.
Lets face it Kobe-haters, he's arguably the best player in the NBA, so he should be the highest paid in the NBA.
Lets face it Kobe-haters, he's arguably the best player in the NBA, so he should be the highest paid in the NBA.
#63
Originally Posted by iamhomin
K-Mart, Jamal, Allan, Kurt, Marbury, Vin Baker, PENNY HARDAWAY, are all over paid.
There's so many over paid players in the NBA that it seems normal now.
There's so many over paid players in the NBA that it seems normal now.
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3059082?GT1=5713
#64
Originally Posted by goose25
He's is a great player, no doubt, but I'd say he's the best perimeter player in the NBA. As far as the best player, i'd say that's either Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett. Both of those players have the ability to get their teammates involved in the offense and at the defensive ends of the court, are unselfish and have both won MVP trophies.
IMO, I think Tim Duncan is the best all around player in the league. Kobe is too selfish. I am sure he will eventually show his true colors mid-season.
#65
Originally Posted by goose25
He's is a great player, no doubt, but I'd say he's the best perimeter player in the NBA. As far as the best player, i'd say that's either Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett. Both of those players have the ability to get their teammates involved in the offense and at the defensive ends of the court, are unselfish and have both won MVP trophies. Kobe is definitely in the top 5 but i would be very reluctant to say he's the best player, though he does have that potential.
If you mix Kobe with the level of talent KG or TD has on their team, I'm sure his team will excel a lot more.
It's all about chemistry and how the team is managed, and apparently Kobe never played with a good chemistry.
#66
Originally Posted by iamhomin
Well, you're half right and half wrong.
If you mix Kobe with the level of talent KG or TD has on their team, I'm sure his team will excel a lot more.
It's all about chemistry and how the team is managed, and apparently Kobe never played with a good chemistry.
If you mix Kobe with the level of talent KG or TD has on their team, I'm sure his team will excel a lot more.
It's all about chemistry and how the team is managed, and apparently Kobe never played with a good chemistry.
#67
Minnesota:
KG, Sczerbiak, Spree, Kandi, Cassel, Hassel, Hudson....
Spurs:
Duncan, Ginobli (sp?), Parker, Bowen, Barry, Horry, Nestervic, Rose
Lakers:
Kobe, Odom, Butler, Divac, Atkins, Jones.
Granted, Kobe is a selfish player but so is Allen Iverson. So is Paul Pierce, and saldy Antoine Walker (he's horrible). There are a lot of selfish NBA players with egos bigger than the whole basketball court, but if chemistry fits, it works.
I hate comparing Jordan and Kobe, but Jordan also was a selfish player.
KG, Sczerbiak, Spree, Kandi, Cassel, Hassel, Hudson....
Spurs:
Duncan, Ginobli (sp?), Parker, Bowen, Barry, Horry, Nestervic, Rose
Lakers:
Kobe, Odom, Butler, Divac, Atkins, Jones.
Granted, Kobe is a selfish player but so is Allen Iverson. So is Paul Pierce, and saldy Antoine Walker (he's horrible). There are a lot of selfish NBA players with egos bigger than the whole basketball court, but if chemistry fits, it works.
I hate comparing Jordan and Kobe, but Jordan also was a selfish player.
#68
Originally Posted by goose25
38 points and had only 1 assist. and they lost to .
Plus Utah's hell of a defensive team. Sloan probably used the strategy of shutting down other players but Kobe in that game.
#70
Originally Posted by DEI99662
How do you explain Scottie Pippen then? Without Jordan, Scottie's talents would still be back at Central Arkansas.
See, most people think Pippen is nothing without Jordan, but he led them to the conference finals against the Knicks after Jordan's first retirement.
Pippen wasn't a great player, but he was damn good, both defensively and as a leader.
#71
Originally Posted by iamhomin
but he was damn good, both defensively and as a leader.
#72
Originally Posted by iamhomin
Minnesota:
I hate comparing Jordan and Kobe, but Jordan also was a selfish player.
I hate comparing Jordan and Kobe, but Jordan also was a selfish player.
#73
Originally Posted by DEI99662
As for Pippen being a leader, do you remember that he refused to go back on the court during that Knicks series because the play was for Kukoc?
#74
Originally Posted by DEI99662
How do you explain Scottie Pippen then? Without Jordan, Scottie's talents would still be back at Central Arkansas.
It's sad that people will remember him most as the guy who sat out in the final seconds in a playoff against the Knicks. I will always remember him as the most unselfish player ever to play the game. He was a better leader than Jordan: When Kerr or any of the other guys were not playing well, Jordan would flat out yell at them. Pippen on the other hand would help them out defensively, set up plays for them. I don't think anyone has ever compiled the stat of FG percentage when the ball was passed by a certain player, but I guarantee Kerr's 3 pt percentage was somwhere around 60-65% when the passes were coming from Pip.
He may not have been the most explosive player on the court, but he was the ultimate teammate, and a hell of a defensive player. My fondest Pippen memory was game three of the '98 finals. Pippen was noted as the "one man wrecking crew" that led the bulls defensively in a 98-56ish blowout of the Jazz.
Besides... Pippen got a lot closer to a championship w/o Jordan than Jordan did w/o Pippen
#75
Pip Pip Horray!!!! Pip Pip Horray!!!!
Pippen's Accomplishments
# Six-time NBA World Champion (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997 and 1998)
# Name is scattered across the NBA’s all-time leader board: 40th in total points (18,940), fourth in steals (2,307), tied for 16th in steals per game (1.96), 23rd in assists (6,135), 13th in minutes (41,069), 16th in minutes per game (34.9), 32nd in three-point field goals made (978)
# Participated in postseason play in 16 of his 17 NBA seasons, making the playoffs in each of his first 16 seasons
# Second in NBA history with 208 playoff appearances (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 237)
# Member of the NBA All-Defensive Team from 1991-2000 (First Team member seven times)
# Selected as one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History in 1996
# Seven-time NBA All Star (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 and 1997)
# 1994 All-Star Game MVP
# Made All-NBA seven straight years (1992-1998)
# Two-time Olympic gold medal winner
# Has recorded 20 career triple-doubles, including four in the playoffs
# Ranked atop the all-time All-Star Game leader board in 3FGA with 22 (second), 3FG made with 7 (tied for 4th) and steals with 17 (eighth)
# Career highs of 47 points, 18 rebounds, 15 assists, 9 steals and 5 blocked shots
# Ranked first in Bulls history with 664 three-pointers and 2,031 three-point field goals attempted
# Ranked second in Bulls history in: points (15,123), field goals (5,991), field goal attempts (12,444), free throws attempted (3,576), offensive rebounds (1,687), defensive rebounds (4,039), assists (4,494), steals (1,792), seasons played (12), games played (856) and minutes (30,269)
# Ranked third in Bulls history with 5,726 rebounds and 774 blocked shots
#76
Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
Whoa there! There will be NO Pippen Hating on my clock!
It's sad that people will remember him most as the guy who sat out in the final seconds in a playoff against the Knicks. I will always remember him as the most unselfish player ever to play the game. He was a better leader than Jordan: When Kerr or any of the other guys were not playing well, Jordan would flat out yell at them. Pippen on the other hand would help them out defensively, set up plays for them. I don't think anyone has ever compiled the stat of FG percentage when the ball was passed by a certain player, but I guarantee Kerr's 3 pt percentage was somwhere around 60-65% when the passes were coming from Pip.
He may not have been the most explosive player on the court, but he was the ultimate teammate, and a hell of a defensive player. My fondest Pippen memory was game three of the '98 finals. Pippen was noted as the "one man wrecking crew" that led the bulls defensively in a 98-56ish blowout of the Jazz.
Besides... Pippen got a lot closer to a championship w/o Jordan than Jordan did w/o Pippen
It's sad that people will remember him most as the guy who sat out in the final seconds in a playoff against the Knicks. I will always remember him as the most unselfish player ever to play the game. He was a better leader than Jordan: When Kerr or any of the other guys were not playing well, Jordan would flat out yell at them. Pippen on the other hand would help them out defensively, set up plays for them. I don't think anyone has ever compiled the stat of FG percentage when the ball was passed by a certain player, but I guarantee Kerr's 3 pt percentage was somwhere around 60-65% when the passes were coming from Pip.
He may not have been the most explosive player on the court, but he was the ultimate teammate, and a hell of a defensive player. My fondest Pippen memory was game three of the '98 finals. Pippen was noted as the "one man wrecking crew" that led the bulls defensively in a 98-56ish blowout of the Jazz.
Besides... Pippen got a lot closer to a championship w/o Jordan than Jordan did w/o Pippen
Pippen had a better supporting cast than Jordan did in Washington, plus Jordan was like 40 when he cameback.
#78
Originally Posted by DEI99662
I am not hating, but IMO, Pippen wouldnt be as good as without Jordan.
Pippen had a better supporting cast than Jordan did in Washington, plus Jordan was like 40 when he cameback.
Pippen had a better supporting cast than Jordan did in Washington, plus Jordan was like 40 when he cameback.
#79
Originally Posted by jlukja
OK, lets turn that around then. Would Jordan have been "as good" without Pippen?
#80
Originally Posted by jlukja
OK, lets turn that around then. Would Jordan have been "as good" without Pippen?
Every star player needs a right hand, regardless of how great he is.