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I'd say that an ABP with an A spec kit and manual trans is worth a 4 hr drive if you feel comfortable with the seller.
Ask for tons of photos. Drive out. Worst case scenario is that you get a road trip out of it.
I don't see the holdup in at least checking on it. But I have gone nationally for cars several times.
True. If it isn't gone before the weekend, then imma make a trip to see it. If nothing else, imma eat good food, explore a bit, and call it a weekend well spent! Good excuse to travel
Read thru your post and looked up the CL ad. I have the same car less the Aspec ground effects. It's what many call the unicorn. KBP, black interior, 6MT. Best thing is to get over and see and drive it and/or go with someone knowledgeable and can drive stick. It's in Chicago so I'm guessing it has seen winter salt for 10 yrs..?
One of the rarest models, leather looks great, the silver decorative trim looks great, the weather tech mats show the owner is trying to protect his investment, says well maintained, etc etc. I think a flight and test drive are in order. I own it's twin, same as Marc. I think it's a great price and should sell fast. If I was in the market I'd be there tomorrow morning. Already brought a Legend home from Chicago and I would snatch this unicorn in a heartbeat.
Read thru your post and looked up the CL ad. I have the same car less the Aspec ground effects. It's what many call the unicorn. KBP, black interior, 6MT. Best thing is to get over and see and drive it and/or go with someone knowledgeable and can drive stick. It's in Chicago so I'm guessing it has seen winter salt for 10 yrs..?
except you have to travel to FL to get it, I saw the listing on internet and drool all over the car especially for the price they posted.
except you have to travel to FL to get it, I saw the listing on internet and drool all over the car especially for the price they posted.
Yes true . The main reason I bought it was because it was from Florida. I preferred to buy a $70 one way airplane ticket and drive it back 1200 miles to NJ knowing it's never seen road salt (and the undercarriage shows it).
^^^^ Trust me I am not missing that seize caliper every summer, washing my car once a week during winter time. But now I got a whole new set of issues to worry about, crack dash, yellow headlight very quick rate and keep the paint surface clean of contaminant most of the time.
So after all these questions I've asked, I finally bought a carfax for the car and what do you know? There has been structural damage reported and accident/damage reported. I'm skippin this deal. No receipts/records of maintenance plus accident records. Maybe someone else can deal with that but I'm good. Thanks for everyone's suggestions and input. It was helpful and very much appreciated. Now back to patiently searching.
So after all these questions I've asked, I finally bought a carfax for the car and what do you know? There has been structural damage reported and accident/damage reported. I'm skippin this deal. No receipts/records of maintenance plus accident records. Maybe someone else can deal with that but I'm good. Thanks for everyone's suggestions and input. It was helpful and very much appreciated. Now back to patiently searching.
Gotta love the honest sellers these days and Craigslist scammers.
OP - truth be told for me the search/hunt is the most fun. Good luck.
I am still not sure how anyone can recommend you buy this car for $12.5
IMO, this car isn't worth anything more than $8-9K.
It's not a super car or a super fast car, at your price point you can definitely buy an e39 m5 with lower miles.
Yeah it's a rare combo but it's a TL not a rare discontinued model.
If I were you I would pass on the car, because the guy seems very fishy and sketchy.
Ive deal with many people and I can usually spot a BS'er.
Edit: Just saw your update on passing the car, good job! TL-S is nice but don't overpay for one man, it's still a Honda 6 cylinder not supercharged or turbo.
Get a S2000 if you really want some fun, or just buy a normal 6MT TL.
BTW, download the app MyCarfax and input the vin to check it's maintenance history, it won't show you accidents or owners but it's free.
You can also buy a full carfax for much cheaper on eBay.
Last edited by YungMoola15; 03-17-2017 at 02:10 PM.
Speaking of S2K ,....I just sold it 2 weeks ago before this TLs 6spd manual show up today on my drive way. I'm glad that you pass on this car...keep looking man. Do like I do refresh the cargurus,Autotrader, cars.com every 5 mins if YOU REALLY want it. LOL
I am still not sure how anyone can recommend you buy this car for $12.5
IMO, this car isn't worth anything more than $8-9K.
It's not a super car or a super fast car, at your price point you can definitely buy an e39 m5 with lower miles.
Yeah it's a rare combo but it's a TL not a rare discontinued model.
If I were you I would pass on the car, because the guy seems very fishy and sketchy.
Ive deal with many people and I can usually spot a BS'er.
Edit: Just saw your update on passing the car, good job! TL-S is nice but don't overpay for one man, it's still a Honda 6 cylinder not supercharged or turbo.
Get a S2000 if you really want some fun, or just buy a normal 6MT TL.
BTW, download the app MyCarfax and input the vin to check it's maintenance history, it won't show you accidents or owners but it's free.
You can also buy a full carfax for much cheaper on eBay.
I wasn't sure what the price of 6MT TL-S were going for and sure didnt wanna pay 12.5k for it but thought I'd ask. I've always been interested in BMW but super skeptical of their reliability and cost to maintain. Probably just the super cautious personality I have and lack of knowledge. lol. I've also been looking at S2000 too but considering I live in winter states, I dont think it'll be the most practical to have year round, yes, as a daily. lol. Thanks for the carfax tips. Never thought about that.
Speaking of S2K ,....I just sold it 2 weeks ago before this TLs 6spd manual show up today on my drive way. I'm glad that you pass on this car...keep looking man. Do like I do refresh the cargurus,Autotrader, cars.com every 5 mins if YOU REALLY want it. LOL
Wow that's a beauty! Sold it just because? I need pix of the tl-s.
I wasn't sure what the price of 6MT TL-S were going for and sure didnt wanna pay 12.5k for it but thought I'd ask. I've always been interested in BMW but super skeptical of their reliability and cost to maintain. Probably just the super cautious personality I have and lack of knowledge. lol. I've also been looking at S2000 too but considering I live in winter states, I dont think it'll be the most practical to have year round, yes, as a daily. lol. Thanks for the carfax tips. Never thought about that.
The older BMW's are actually not that bad reliability wise. Parts definitely more expensive than an Acura but they're not garbage vehicles.
The e39 M5 is quite reliable and it is a practical daily unless MPG is an issue for you.
Another option is Mercedes E55 AMG, those cars are very reliable and you can see on the forums that many people have taken them past 200k.
My friend has one with more than 180k and it competes with super cars like Lambo and GTR.
The TL is a nice car don't get me wrong, but it's not as prestigious as some of the people on this forum make it out to be.
It's a 6 cylinder honda with 270HP nothing special except the design is timeless.
What are you driving now and what makes you want to get a TL?
Speaking of S2K ,....I just sold it 2 weeks ago before this TLs 6spd manual show up today on my drive way. I'm glad that you pass on this car...keep looking man. Do like I do refresh the cargurus,Autotrader, cars.com every 5 mins if YOU REALLY want it. LOL
"Special edition" cars always fetch more money. Just because a car doesn't have a V8 or a turbo or a supercharger doesn't mean its not worth money.
An E39 is nice...but also 800 years old. Even when you find one in good shape, you better hope it never needs anything.
A TL-S is a car you can turn on every morning without having to read the "issue of the day" news report from the dash like on a E55 AMG...which also gets 0.00004 MPG.
A TL-S costs more than a base model just the same reason as a M5 costs more than a regular 5 series. Or a Civic Si costs more than an EX. Or a S2000 CR costs (way) more than a base.
A KBP/ABP on black TL-S in 6MT is rare AND desirable. Differen people find different cars desirable.
It won't snap your neck back like an E55 AMG....or be as impressive to drive as a M5...but it is stylish, it still gets decent MPG, they don't have many known issues or problems, they're cheap to own and fix, and they're quick, fun, and easily customizable.
So its desirable. What its worth is kind of a case of individual car.
To first buy a base model and then accesorize or improve it to be like a type S costs more than just buying a type S. And at the end...it won't be a type S.
It doesn't matter, it's still a 10 year old car with 135k.
KBP didn't come with special powers or superior quality it's same car as any other TLS.
Don't give prospective buyers bad advice, the color doesn't justify the $4k premium whatsoever.
KBP cost the same brand new as did a black, white, red etc....
It doesn't matter, it's still a 10 year old car with 135k.
KBP didn't come with special powers or superior quality it's same car as any other TLS.
Don't give prospective buyers bad advice, the color doesn't justify the $4k premium whatsoever.
KBP cost the same brand new as did a black, white, red etc....
"Special edition" cars always fetch more money. Just because a car doesn't have a V8 or a turbo or a supercharger doesn't mean its not worth money.
An E39 is nice...but also 800 years old. Even when you find one in good shape, you better hope it never needs anything.
A TL-S is a car you can turn on every morning without having to read the "issue of the day" news report from the dash like on a E55 AMG...which also gets 0.00004 MPG.
A TL-S costs more than a base model just the same reason as a M5 costs more than a regular 5 series. Or a Civic Si costs more than an EX. Or a S2000 CR costs (way) more than a base.
A KBP/ABP on black TL-S in 6MT is rare AND desirable. Differen people find different cars desirable.
It won't snap your neck back like an E55 AMG....or be as impressive to drive as a M5...but it is stylish, it still gets decent MPG, they don't have many known issues or problems, they're cheap to own and fix, and they're quick, fun, and easily customizable.
So its desirable. What its worth is kind of a case of individual car.
To first buy a base model and then accesorize or improve it to be like a type S costs more than just buying a type S. And at the end...it won't be a type S.
Just like a 525 with M bumpers is not a M5.
I agree with everything you just said except E55.
The E55 is known to have bad air suspension which many swap out for standard springs and shocks.
The supercharger is another issue which can also be protected by regularly changing the fluid.
In either case, my point is too many people here act like they have the most prestigious car ever. Bro it's a HONDA.
I am not a hater whatsoever I have owned more than 5 TL's and it will always be my favorite daily car but it's not a super car and by no means does it deserve more value just because it has special paint.
IMO, the only time i would add more value to the TL is if it has 6MT. Paint to me doesn't justify a premium on any car unless it was sold for more brand new like some McLaren and Lambo
It doesn't matter, it's still a 10 year old car with 135k.
KBP didn't come with special powers or superior quality it's same car as any other TLS.
Don't give prospective buyers bad advice, the color doesn't justify the $4k premium whatsoever.
KBP cost the same brand new as did a black, white, red etc....
I don't remember giving him bad advice. I remember telling him to go LOOK at the car after doing a carfax.
Some colors do have a factory markup....and even if they didn't.... they definitely call for a premium in the used car market. Laguna Seca Blue M3's. GPW S2000's. Etc etc.
I would pay more for a KBP than I would for a run of the mill gray one with tan interior or something.
Just like people pay more for LS blue M3's than they do JB ones.
I agree with everything you just said except E55.
The E55 is known to have bad air suspension which many swap out for standard springs and shocks.
The supercharger is another issue which can also be protected by regularly changing the fluid.
In either case, my point is too many people here act like they have the most prestigious car ever. Bro it's a HONDA.
I am not a hater whatsoever I have owned more than 5 TL's and it will always be my favorite daily car but it's not a super car and by no means does it deserve more value just because it has special paint.
IMO, the only time i would add more value to the TL is if it has 6MT. Paint to me doesn't justify a premium on any car unless it was sold for more brand new like some McLaren and Lambo
Well...if paint doesn't matter to you, its a matter of opinion. It matters to most people.
Prestigious? What better OVERALL car can you buy for the price of a TLS? Reliability, features, ergonomics, driveablity, cost of ownership, etc.
A clapped out M5? An E55 that's gonna have massive issues? Is a 1995 BMW prestigeous?
How much does an air suspension or supercharger cost on a E55 to fix? I have a friend with a E55 AMG. If you try to compare reliability to that of a Honda...it'd be a bad argument.
I don't disagree that this particular car is overpriced....now that OP revealed its been crashed. But as far as the market goes, IF it were clean and well maintained, the seller does have a desirable colour combo and 6mt going for him.
03-15-2017, 11:05 PM
. The main reason I bought it was because it was from Florida. I preferred to buy a $70 one way airplane ticket and drive it back 1200 miles to NJ knowing it's never seen road salt (and the undercarriage shows it).
I guess you'll never own a Unicorn!