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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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Now what? Does this help performance or those who like paying for tires?
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Why can't they just have a button to disable traction control like other cars have?
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 06:09 PM
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because safety > * (at toyota)
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RWalker2
because safety > * (at toyota)
BMW>Lexus
(You can turn off DSC with a flip of a switch)
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
BMW>Lexus
(You can turn off DSC with a flip of a switch)
You can also die at the flip of a switch at BMW, can see Lexus voting against that option or level of fun...
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Hmm...too bad nobody found out about this before I went to Taste of Lexus...
they would have you, remember what happened when we waited at the GS booth?
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 08:05 PM
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So is it legit or what? Really turns off?
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
You can also die at the flip of a switch at BMW, can see Lexus voting against that option or level of fun...
...and drivers were dying in mass numbers before traction control, stability control, and abs came around.
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Old Nov 18, 2005 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdog2012
im gonna try this when i go on a testdrive this weekend
oh snap, that just mite get me to go test drive it...
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
...and drivers were dying in mass numbers before traction control, stability control, and abs came around.
much higher numbers yes
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 07:30 AM
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Kensteele needs to hear about this!
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:17 AM
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I tried this on my GS430 and it works just as advertised. I know the instructions sound a bit confusing, but once you get used to it, it's pretty easy. I've already drove my GS a few times with the VDIM turned off. In addition to being able to get the rear tires to break loose quite easily, the car feels more responsive (i.e. quicker) than w/ VDIM enabled.

Here's my version of the instructions which I hope are a bit clearer:

-Set the parking brake and then start the vehicle as you normally would by depressing the brake pedal and pressing the start button
-Release the brake pedal (keeping the parking brake engaged)
-Depress the brake pedal fully and then release it
-Depress the brake pedal a second time and then hold it down with your right foot
-Disengage the parking brake with your left foot and then reengage it
-Disengage and reengage the parking brake a second (leaving it engaged)
-Release and depress the brake pedal 1-2 more times and the VDIM should turn off. On the GS you get a traction control light that illuminates as well as a "Check VSA" message and a yellow warning light in the shape of an exclamation point within a circle.

I think this is a nice thing to know for enthusiasts, but lets face it 99% of people on the roads don't even care or maybe even know their car has stability control, traction control, etc. Due to the litigious nature of our society and the inability for people to accept responsibility for their actions I think it's a safe assumption that we will be seeing more cars with non-defeatable traction/stability control systems in the future.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:56 AM
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i can see the old, balding man who accompanied my dad and i during the test drive screaming in the back . Shame I didnt know this before..
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by gilboman
much higher numbers yes
What a crock of shit. That doesn't mean that the manufacturer shouldn't give you the option to disable features you don't like. Take a fuckin chance
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Old Nov 20, 2005 | 01:49 AM
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I think it was a huge mistake for Lexus to not let the magazines do comparos of the IS and GS with this feature turned on. The IS was only 2 points behind the 330i in the C&D comparo and all the losses seemed to be because of the forced stability control, they could have been #1 with the stability turned off.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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So why is everyone praising this car but not calling it overpriced. I mean its the same price range as the 3series but for years everyone bashed the 3series on its pricing. But no one says a thing about lexus and their PRICEY option list. Fawkin bandwagon haters!
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So why is everyone praising this car but not calling it overpriced. I mean its the same price range as the 3series but for years everyone bashed the 3series on its pricing. But no one says a thing about lexus and their PRICEY option list. Fawkin bandwagon haters!
shut up and drive your audi.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So why is everyone praising this car but not calling it overpriced. I mean its the same price range as the 3series but for years everyone bashed the 3series on its pricing. But no one says a thing about lexus and their PRICEY option list. Fawkin bandwagon haters!
I too think the new IS is overpriced. The 3 series is also overpriced but at least it comes with free maintenance and it's a BMW > Lexus.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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i am pricing out sport sedans right now and the IS is way too expensive for me to consider with reasonable options, I would much rather have an m35/45 for the features and space at that point




206 hp for the 250 sucks my balls compared to the g35 sedan and even the new 325 for that matter at the same price... and now that i have seen a couple driving around they are freaking tiny...
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So why is everyone praising this car but not calling it overpriced. I mean its the same price range as the 3series but for years everyone bashed the 3series on its pricing. But no one says a thing about lexus and their PRICEY option list. Fawkin bandwagon haters!

I have seen a bunch of posts in this and other threads saying it is overpriced and people would lean towards other cars at this pricepoint.

Nice car but same price would probably go BWM. (at least until a manual is ready for the 350)
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 02:59 PM
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i believe its also pricey but only if u get the package with mark levinson system....IS 350 with navi is still under 40k which is not bad
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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um... try 43k... and maybe a 500 discount right now if you are lucky...
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So why is everyone praising this car but not calling it overpriced. I mean its the same price range as the 3series but for years everyone bashed the 3series on its pricing. But no one says a thing about lexus and their PRICEY option list. Fawkin bandwagon haters!
*x100000>Lexus
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 03typeS6spd
um... try 43k... and maybe a 500 discount right now if you are lucky...
wat do u mean? after TTL?

just priced it again at lexus.com



Base MSRP* $35,440.00
• Standard Features
Available Packages
$3,464.00
• Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with Additional Options
- Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System
- 18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)
Accessory Options $0.00
• Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks) Included
Delivery, Processing & Handling Fee†
$590.00

Total MSRP** $39,494.00
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So why is everyone praising this car but not calling it overpriced. I mean its the same price range as the 3series but for years everyone bashed the 3series on its pricing. But no one says a thing about lexus and their PRICEY option list. Fawkin bandwagon haters!
Well its convient that BMW finally got around to giving the 325i and 330i a power bump when this comes up, but sure I'll agree that the Is250 is underpowered for the price range.

But the options themselves seem to be acceptably priced for what is offered and if anything Lexus still comes out on top in value which can be seen just by going to their sites. A comparably priced/featured BMW to the IS350 @43k is the 325i, the 330i exceeds the is350s loaded price with similiar options added.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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Weird, when i price it out i dont get that option. Only 3 are listed for me...

One is $2,204.00 (no navi)

$8,705.00

and

$8,899.00

Sorta weird since at the top it says 1 of 4 packages but only 3 are listed for me. Whats your zip code.. maybe it depends on area.

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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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Ahh i see where you got that from. http://lexus.com/models/is/price_options.html#disc2

Which is weird cuz when you build the car it doesnt offer these packages. There are only 3 to choose from. For me at least.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
Well its convient that BMW finally got around to giving the 325i and 330i a power bump when this comes up, but sure I'll agree that the Is250 is underpowered for the price range.

But the options themselves seem to be acceptably priced for what is offered and if anything Lexus still comes out on top in value which can be seen just by going to their sites. A comparably priced/featured BMW to the IS350 @43k is the 325i, the 330i exceeds the is350s loaded price with similiar options added.
the IS250 will be a classic chick car. luxury and looks for those that aren't entirely focused on the almighty power numbers. there isn't all that much performance difference between the IS250 and the IS300, but you get a 2nd gen package. time will tell how well it sells, but i don't believe it is priced beyond its target market group. otherwise, we can say the same for the 325i, and C230 or C280.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Ahh i see where you got that from. http://lexus.com/models/is/price_options.html#disc2

Which is weird cuz when you build the car it doesnt offer these packages. There are only 3 to choose from. For me at least.
here's the packages when i go to build an IS

(1)18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires $720.00
18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires

(2)18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires with Additional Option $914.00
18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires
Additional Option:
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)

(3)Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with Additional Option $3,270.00
Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System includes Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with backup camera and Bluetooth® technology, AM/FM radio and CD-changer with 13 speakers.
Additional Option:
- 18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires

(4)Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with Additional Options $3,464.00
Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System includes Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with backup camera and Bluetooth® technology, AM/FM radio and CD-changer with 13 speakers.
Additional Options:
- 18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)

(5)Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Premium Audio System Package with Additional Option $4,710.00
Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Premium Audio System Package includes Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with backup camera and Bluetooth® technology, Mark Levinson 14-speaker 300-watt Premium Surround Sound Audio System with 7.1 architecture and in-dash, single feed, six-disc CD/DVD auto-changer.
Additional Option:
- 18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires

(6)Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Premium Audio System Package with Additional Options $4,904.00
Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Premium Audio System Package includes Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System with backup camera and Bluetooth® technology, Mark Levinson 14-speaker 300-watt Premium Surround Sound Audio System with 7.1 architecture and in-dash, single feed, six-disc CD/DVD auto-changer.
Additional Options:
- 18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)




which is also weird to me too cus last wk when i priced one out, there were only 3 options and the third one being the most expensive which was with the Mark Levinson system for $11k+....looks like package options changed
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 12:23 AM
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Pardon the noob question, but does the Lexus IS offer a Sports package? And also does the IS offer aluminum trim instead of the wood? I looked on Lexus's page but didn't find the sports package, or any aluminum trim.
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 06:53 AM
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weird... here are my only three options


The following package(s) may currently be available for your Lexus. The package you select may determine the color choices and accessory options that are available to you. If you don't see a specific package listed, please ask your local Lexus dealer for more details.

Premium Package with Additional Options $2,704.00

Premium Package with Auburn bird's-eye maple interior trim, Perforated leather-trimmed interior, Heated and ventilated front seats.
Additional Options:
- 18-in Alloy Wheels with Summer Tires
- Intuitive Parking Assist
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)


Sport Package with Additional Options $7,039.00

Sport Package includes Perforated leather-trimmed interior, Power tilt-and-telescopic steering column, Lexus Memory System for power driver's seat (except lumbar) outside mirrors and steering wheel, Heated and ventilated front seats, Aluminum sport pedals, Aluminum doorsill scuff plates, Rain-sensing intermittent windshield wipers with mist cycle, Electrochromic (auto-dimming) outside mirrors with auto tilt-down in reverse, Bi-xenon High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS), Sport-tuned suspension, 18-inch alloy wheels.
Additional Options:
- Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System
- Intuitive Parking Assist
- Headlamp washers
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)



Luxury Package with 18-in wheels with Additional Options $7,559.00

Luxury Package with 18-in wheels includes Auburn bird's-eye maple interior trim, Perforated leather-trimmed interior, Power tilt-and-telescopic steering column, Lexus Memory System for power driver's seat (except lumbar) outside mirrors and steering wheel, Heated and ventilated front seats, Illuminated doorsill scuff plates, Power rear-window sunshade, Rain-sensing intermittent windshield wipers with mist cycle, Electrochromic (auto-dimming) outside mirrors with auto tilt-down in reverse, Bi-xenon High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps, Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS), and 18-in alloy wheels.
Additional Options:
- Lexus voice-activated DVD Navigation System
- Intuitive Parking Assist
- Headlamp washers
- Preferred Accessory Package (includes Cargo net, Trunk mat and Wheel locks)


with the sport package being my first navi choice,

that brings my price to


Base MSRP* $35,440.00
• Standard Features

Available Packages $7,039.00
• Sport Package with Additional Options

Accessory Options $0.00
Delivery, Processing & Handling Fee† $590.00

Total MSRP** $43,069.00
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 07:29 AM
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Below is the MSRP on a fully loaded IS350 I got on Carsdirect.com

Total price with selected options: $47,879
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by heyitsme
A comparably priced/featured BMW to the IS350 @43k is the 325i, the 330i exceeds the is350s loaded price with similiar options added.
The BMW 330i fully loaded ($50,840) still exceeds a fully loaded IS350 ($47,879) but not by that much anymore, and when you factor in free maintenance on the BMW the gap gets even smaller between the two.

The Lexus is still a better value but it's pricing is too close to BMW's for comfort.
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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the site changes teh options based on what they can get shipped to your dealer i think

we test drove a 325 and is250, and for $2g more, and with fewer options, i think the bmw was a much more impressive car. the lexus, for having only 210hp, was surpringly quick with 3 passengers
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 03typeS6spd
weird...
Total MSRP** $43,069.00
ouch!!

i guess the IS is good if u're buying in houston....hehhe
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
Below is the MSRP on a fully loaded IS350 I got on Carsdirect.com

Total price with selected options: $47,879
The price is what it is, you have to figure you're getting a car that is as fast as a gs430, has the quality inside and out, and has the available features of the Gs-series. A GS300 loaded out with the same options as the Is350 is $55.8k.
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
...and drivers were dying in mass numbers before traction control, stability control, and abs came around.
Mercedes accident rates went down 21% after stability control became standard.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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First Test: 2006 Lexus IS 350 - - By Matt Stone - - Motor Trend, October 2005 - - Source: MotorTrend.com

Imagine opening for Sinatra, or teeing up after Tiger, or knowing that you're about to go one-on-one with Michael Jordan. The best you could hope for here is a sliver of limelight and nothing embarrassing to happen. That's what carmakers often feel like when pitching a new sport sedan up against BMW's 3 Series, the category benchmark, more than 100,000 of which were sold last year.

Lexus put its toe in that pool with the first-generation IS 300; a trim, fun-to-drive piece that was equal part Toyota, as it was sold as the Altezza in other markets. No harm, however, as it gave the brand a sporty, entry-level offering. The new-for-2006 IS is 100-percent Lexus and takes on a freshened Audi A4 and Infiniti G35 as well as the from-scratch 2006 3 Series.



The IS will be offered in one four-door-sedan body style at launch; the hatchbacked SportCross goes away. But there are, for the first time, two engine offerings and an all-wheel-drive variant. The IS chassis architecture shares many of its lacy underthings with the larger GS.



Both engines are new: high-tech, all-aluminum, direct-injected V-6s in 2.5- and 3.5-liter variations. At 204 horsepower, the 2.5 serves just a bit less punch than the previous IS's 3.0-liter straight-six and is competitive with the base offerings from Audi and BMW. However, the 3.5, packing 306 horsepower at 6400 revs, resets the meter for compact sport-sedan outputs. Variable-valve timing on intake and exhaust tracks, plus innovative port and direct fuel injection, make for a wide powerband and a 277-pound-foot torque peak at 4800. EPA numbers aren't yet in, but Lexus predicts improved emissions and fuel mileage in spite of the healthy power increase.



A six-speed manual trans is standard on the IS 250. A six-speed automatic is optional on the IS 250 and is standard on the IS 250 AWD and IS 350. It offers multiple shift modes and can be manumatically controlled via the floor shifter or a set of Ferrari-like paddles on the steering wheel. What would be the ultimate combination--an IS 350 with a six-speed stick--isn't offered. Bummer.

The underpinnings are solid: upper and lower control arms up front, a multilink setup out back, gas shocks, standard anti-roll bars, four-wheel disc brakes with standard ABS, and dual exhausts. One curious choice is fully electronic power steering, seldom known for good feel or feedback. But this system allows for reduced weight and complexity, Lexus claims.

Lexus has taken the IS's standard and optional equipment offerings to levels the previous car never thought of. A SmartAccess keyless entry/start system, CD6 audio, dual-zone climate controls, and a comprehensive airbag package (including dual-front kneebags) are standard. Options include adaptive front headlights, heated/vented front seats, power tilt/tele steering wheel, and the latest 14-speaker Mark Levinson audio system.



There are few complaints about the exterior design. The face carries the new Lexus family stare, and the car is wider, a bit longer, and more substantial looking than the model it replaces. It also has fewer lines stamped into it than the Bavarian rival and, to our eyes, is better for it. While 17-inch rolling stock is standard, 18s are available as part of a sport suspension package or as a stand-alone option.



The previous IS's cabin boasted that cool, chronograph watch-style IP, but looked plasticky for a Lexus. While that former trick touch is gone, the cabin has headed way upmarket. The main gauges are easy to read, nicely detailed, and offer driver-adjustable redline and speed warnings. All the surfaces are soft to the touch, and the switchgear is well laid out and of high quality. The wood trim sprinkled about is genuine and looks rich and lustrous; the sport package replaces it with a satin-finished faux-metal material. The optional nav screen is mounted high in the center stack and is large and easy to see and operate. The first-gen IS's rear seat was all but useless; this one is better, though still cramped for full-size adults. Premium and Premium Plus packages deliver many commonly preferred options; the most comprehensive are the Premium Luxury Plus and Performance Luxury Plus packages.



"Butter smooth" describes the IS 350's V-6 and, as you can gather from its 5.5-second 0-to-60 times, it's quicker than just quick. This is a full second faster than a 330i and the 280-horse G35. The six-speed auto is a worthy partner; shifts are crisp without being harsh in Drive mode or when playing the paddles. Even though the power peaks relatively high in the rpm band, there's good torque available down low. It's almost too quiet--how about a sport exhaust with the sport option pack? We wish the IS 250 we drove (but didn't track test) made us as happy as its protein-packing sibling. It's okay around town, but feels sluggish and lifeless when trying to hustle your favorite mountain pass.

The IS's handling persona fools you. Driven moderately, even up to eight-tenths or so, it feels solid and controlled. The ride is comfy without turning to mush, there's minimal wind or road noise, and the IS 350 tracks and goes where you point it. But push it, as you'll want to do with a real sport sedan, and the experience degrades and disconnects.

The front end lacks mechanical grip and fades to understeer all too soon. There's not nearly enough organic feel and feedback from the electronic steering. The Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management System, which is designed to keep you safe under a wide variety of conditions and will do a good job of that, becomes an adversary when you want to haul butt, hang the tail out, and have some fun. It's too quick to bleed off speed and dial back throttle during hard cornering or transitions such as our slalom course. Lexus advises that these systems are tuned not to intrude too soon, and, for the casual sport-sedan customer, the calibration is about right. But Type A drivers will resent so much electro intrusion. Land on the brakes hard at 100-plus, and the car gets nervous and unsettled. Perhaps it's a too-soft suspension or a too conservative tire choice, but, no matter, it doesn't instill confidence.



Lexus has delivered a well-finished piece. The new-gen IS is handsome, packs plenty of creature features, and, in 3.5-liter form, is downright fast. It'll please a wide variety of buyers, including those who want something on the sporty side, but not at the expense of a nice ride and lots of luxury touches. The committed enthusiast driver will want more lust and less computer intervention, however, and will continue to look in the direction of Bavaria for the experience he craves.

2006 Lexus IS 350
Base price $36,030
Price as tested $39,000 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, RWD, 5-pass, 4-door sedan
Engine 3.5 L / 306 hp / 277 lb-ft DOHC 24-valve V-6
Transmission 6-speed automatic
Curb weight, f/r dist 3571 lb, 53 / 47%
Wheelbase 107.5 in
Length x Width x Height 180.1 x 70.9 x 56.1 in
0-60 mph 5.5 sec
1/4 mile 14.0 sec @ 99.8 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph 122 ft
600-foot slalom 64.4 mph avg
Lateral acceleration 0.83 g avg
MT Figure Eight 27.1 sec @ 0.64 avg
EPA city/hwy fuel econ 21/28
What's Hot Great looks; high feature content; class-leading power
What's Not Too much electronics stifles driving experience; no stick shift for IS 350
Like This? Try These Infiniti G35; Audi A4; Acura TL


By The Numbers: 3 Series vs. IS 350
The IS's 306-horsepower V-6 raises the bar in this class, outpowering all standard offerings in the compact sport-sedan category. In fact, the IS 350 has 66 more horsepower than the BMW M3 of just a decade ago. But great overall performance means more than just straight-line punch, and in all other objective handling tests, the 330i is still the one to beat. The IS took 10 feet longer to stop than the BMW; we suspect that the Lexus's brakes are equally strong, but perhaps its use of less grippy tires played a factor here. The BMW's 3.4-mph-higher speed through our slalom test not only indicates greater levels of grip, but much less electronic intrusion; our test driver noted that the IS's electronannies stepped in and put a clamp on things as the car negotiated the cones. Our figure-eight test--a mini road course that synthesizes handling, braking, acceleration, and grip--further demonstrates that the BMW remains the more committed driving tool, even if the IS 350 has an edge in terms of acceleration.

2006 BMW 330i 2006 Lexus IS 350
0-60 mph 6.6 sec -1.1 sec
0-100 mph 17.4 sec -3.4 sec
1/4 mile 14.7 sec @ 95.1 mph -0.7 sec
Braking, 60-0 mph 112 ft +10 ft
600-ft slalom 67.8 mph avg -3.4 mph
Lateral Accel 0.88 g avg -0.05 g
MT Figure Eight 26.5 sec @ 0.66 g avg +0.6 sec
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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interesting. Maybe then can "tune it down". These things seem fixable. Maybe for the coupe version. I am sure the sedan fits 99.9% of the people that will buy it.
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Old Dec 22, 2005 | 08:42 PM
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Interesting... Maybe if a coupe 6mt sport version was offered it would be a better fit for an enthusiast...
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