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The ZDX and TL are ill-proportioned. Not saying that with proper proportions, they will look stunningly good. But the proportions make things much worse....remember all that front overhang? That's one issue coming from bad proportions.
1 thing i have never understood is why someone hasnt reversed the trans layout on a FWD vehicle. I dont see why they couldnt design the trans to output in front of the motor instead of behind, thus shifting the wheels ahead of the motor, allowing the motor to sit further back, and giving it better weight/balance and allowing designers to shorten overhangs.
That's an interesting question and I never really thought about that. I think most FWD cars nowadays have transversely mounted engine, with the tranny sticking out to the side instead of front or behind of the engine?
It basically says this was actually the earliest arrangement for FWD cars and its main drawback is that there's not enough weight sitting on the front wheels for traction and handling. Citroen later found a solution to that by swapping the diff and tran around. They have since been using that layout in some models until the 80's.
Here's a picture:
Nowadays, FWD cars with a longitudinally mounted engine is really rare. I could only think of Audi and Subaru. For Subaru, most of their cars are AWD anyway, and we all know Audi also uses Quattro is all of its models. This rules out the possibility of having the tranny in front of the engine, unless you mount the engine so high up so the drive shaft can go underneath.
Manufacturers mostly went to transverse engines for better packaging, efficiency, cost, and safety. More interior room, fewer drivetrain losses and components, and easier to control when traction is lost.
Having a setup like that above is new to me. It looks horribly impractical, which is probably why it isn't popular today.
and maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling it would make working on the engine all that much more difficult.
This was exactly what came to mind immediately. By pushing the engine back like that, it would make working on the engine VERY difficult and in a crash setting it would probably intrude on the cabin space. The other issue is that vibrations are going to be much harder to stop and NVH would be terrible. Though I can see some huge bonuses of doing that.
The 2nd Gen Legend and 1G RL and Vigor/TL were like this right? I remember there was talk about the driveshaft going through the oil pan or something like that making it difficult to do some repairs.
The 2nd Gen Legend and 1G RL and Vigor/TL were like this right? I remember there was talk about the driveshaft going through the oil pan or something like that making it difficult to do some repairs.
Yep, FWD longitudinal platform.
And my personal favorite, wasn't sold as an Acura for some strange reasons, the Honda Rafaga:
Thats great! Look at the attention to detail, looks like for better weight distribution, they put the battery in the back of the engine compartment like some actual RWD cars. Honda really cared about engineering back in those days.
That's an interesting question and I never really thought about that. I think most FWD cars nowadays have transversely mounted engine, with the tranny sticking out to the side instead of front or behind of the engine?
It basically says this was actually the earliest arrangement for FWD cars and its main drawback is that there's not enough weight sitting on the front wheels for traction and handling. Citroen later found a solution to that by swapping the diff and tran around. They have since been using that layout in some models until the 80's.
Here's a picture:
Nowadays, FWD cars with a longitudinally mounted engine is really rare. I could only think of Audi and Subaru. For Subaru, most of their cars are AWD anyway, and we all know Audi also uses Quattro is all of its models. This rules out the possibility of having the tranny in front of the engine, unless you mount the engine so high up so the drive shaft can go underneath.
No, thats not the same or what i was referencing to. The trans always has stuck out to the side of the engine, then it gets transferred to the differential which has always sat behind the motor. (talking Transversely mounted engines) to which the axle/axles then pass behind the motor. Its not that they would be moving the trans to sit in front of the engine, or making the motor longitudinal, the trans itself wouldnt move 1 bit, The output of it where the differential sits would be the only thing that would have to move, from aft of the trans to the front of the trans to pass the engine on the front.
That's an interesting question and I never really thought about that. I think most FWD cars nowadays have transversely mounted engine, with the tranny sticking out to the side instead of front or behind of the engine?
It basically says this was actually the earliest arrangement for FWD cars and its main drawback is that there's not enough weight sitting on the front wheels for traction and handling. Citroen later found a solution to that by swapping the diff and tran around. They have since been using that layout in some models until the 80's.
Here's a picture:
Nowadays, FWD cars with a longitudinally mounted engine is really rare. I could only think of Audi and Subaru. For Subaru, most of their cars are AWD anyway, and we all know Audi also uses Quattro is all of its models. This rules out the possibility of having the tranny in front of the engine, unless you mount the engine so high up so the drive shaft can go underneath.
That's an unusual setup for sure. The other kind of odd geabox is the Lambo Countach where the gearbox was in front of the V12 and the diff was at the back of the motor.in the oil sump A transmission output driveshaft went longitudinal through the bottom of the motor.
Originally Posted by Costco
Manufacturers mostly went to transverse engines for better packaging, efficiency, cost, and safety. More interior room, fewer drivetrain losses and components, and easier to control when traction is lost.
Having a setup like that above is new to me. It looks horribly impractical, which is probably why it isn't popular today.
+1, yep transverse engines work out pretty well for all the reasons you cited.
Originally Posted by jwong77
The 2nd Gen Legend and 1G RL and Vigor/TL were like this right? I remember there was talk about the driveshaft going through the oil pan or something like that making it difficult to do some repairs.
Yes, the 2G Legend and 1G RL had the front diff that was next to the oil pan and the one driveshaft went through the oil pan.
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
No, thats not the same or what i was referencing to. The trans always has stuck out to the side of the engine, then it gets transferred to the differential which has always sat behind the motor. (talking Transversely mounted engines) to which the axle/axles then pass behind the motor. Its not that they would be moving the trans to sit in front of the engine, or making the motor longitudinal, the trans itself wouldnt move 1 bit, The output of it where the differential sits would be the only thing that would have to move, from aft of the trans to the front of the trans to pass the engine on the front.
I've occasionally wondered the same thing, why the halfshafts always go behind the block instead of in front where the engine would shift back some for more crash absorption in front and better weight distribution.
Last edited by Legend2TL; Mar 20, 2017 at 11:22 AM.
I've occasionally wondered the same thing, why the halfshafts always go behind the block instead of in front where the engine would shift back some for more crash absorption in front and better weight distribution.
Ive wondered that for about as long as i have been tinkering/modding FWD vehicles, especially when the large front overhang/heavy nose fwd discussions come up.
2018 Acura RLX adopts new Acura design direction including signature diamond pentagon grille
Supercar inspired 377-horsepower RLX Sport Hybrid with Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ has been further optimized based on NSX learnings
Standard AcuraWatch™ enhanced with Traffic Jam Assist, an Acura first
Acura today unveiled a redesigned 2018 Acura RLX reflecting the brand’s new Precision Crafted Performance design direction to create a more substantial presence for Acura’s top-of-the-line luxury sports sedan. The 2018 Acura RLX will make its public debut during the prestigious Monterey Automotive Week, August 15-19 on the Monterey peninsula. The new RLX incorporates design cues to showcase its performance capabilities, including Acura’s signature diamond pentagon grille, a more sculpted hood, new wheel designs, bold, newly designed LED taillights, dual exhaust finishers and a gloss black rear diffuser.
The 2018 Acura RLX is the most sophisticated and best performing Acura sedan ever, with Sport Hybrid Super-Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (Sport Hybrid SH-AWD™) technology, shared with the NSX supercar, that creates a powerful and precise driving experience unmatched in the segment. Acura has simplified the RLX trim structure to make the brand’s innovative Sport Hybrid technology more desirable and accessible streamlining the offering to 2 well-equipped variants. The new 2018 Acura RLX will go on sale in November.
The 377 total system horsepowersup1 RLX Sport Hybrid seamlessly integrates a direct-injected V-6 with 3 electric motors and Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ for instant acceleration, precise handling, outstanding all-weather performance and excellent fuel economy. Based on developments from the NSX, the RLX Sport Hybrid powertrain and dynamic handling has been further optimized.
The 310-horsepower RLX with Precision All-Wheel Steer™ is now mated to a new 10-speed Automatic Transmission (10AT) delivering a more refined driving experience, as well as improved acceleration and passing times.
“This redesign of the 2018 Acura RLX is transformational, creating road presence and styling that better reflect underlying performance capabilities of the vehicle,” said Jon Ikeda, Acura vice president & general manager.
Standard features on the 2018 RLX Sport Hybrid include premium Krell Audio System, Surround View Camera, parking sensors, LED fog lights, remote engine start, ventilated and heated front seats, heated rear seats and steering wheel and more. The 2018 RLX features the unique AcuraWatch™ suite of technologies, as standard equipment, and has been enhanced with the addition of Traffic Jam Assist, a 1st for Acura. Working in conjunction with Adaptive Cruise Control with Low Speed Follow, Traffic Jam Assist helps reduce driver stress in highly congested traffic situations by helping keep the vehicle in its lane and a set interval behind a car detected ahead.
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Acura is a leading automotive luxury nameplate that delivers Precision Crafted Performance, an original approach to technology and design that creates a new driving experience.The Acura lineup features 6 adistinctive models – the RLX premium, luxury sedan, the TLX performance luxury sedan, the ILX sport sedan, the 5-passenger RDX luxury crossover SUV, and the 7-passenger Acura MDX, America's all-time best-selling 3-row luxury SUV. Last spring, Acura launched its next-generation, electrified NSX supercar as a new and pinnacle expression of Acura Precision Crafted Performance.
The new seats look nice, but the dual screen layout/design is looking VERY dated. Not a fan of the headlights or taillights, they look bloated and sharp for the most part but then they have rounded edges and it just doesn't mix for me. Looks very meh to me, kind of reminds me of a Kia.
".... then we introduced the TLX which included not only the diamond pentagon grille, but an exciting new A-Spec that signals Acura's commitment to luxury performance sedans."
But A-Spec doesn't offer any real performance over non-A-Specs trims.
As for updated RLX, it does look better than the current design, but not by much. Not going to change sales direction. Might slow decline or even stabilize sales though.
"Introducing the 2018 Acura RLX, the most powerful Acura sedan ever made, faster than the BMW E34 M5 in a straight line."
they said there are improvemetns to the hybrid system based on NSX experiance.
new MDX hybrid 0-130mph in 32 second. pulling 0.87G. You wont find any other 7 seater SUV with similar high speed performance and handling from skinny 245 size all season tires on 20 inch rim with super quiet refinement.
TLX already beating in quietness and comfort BMW 3 and Audi A4.
Nothing prevents RLX to beat MDX in handling and performrnace with superior comfort and refinement over the top of TLX. There is no doubt about Made in Japan quality and reliability for those who understand. This will permanently shut Yeh and his hyundai Genesis / Germanic crap that she was spouting every month.
BMW 540Xdrive only 0.88G from 19inch rim. BMW put limiter under 130mph. they dont want to hide the high speed aerodynamics inefficiency. Civic Type-R 0-140 mph in 28.5 seconds and its hatch not even a aerodynamic Coupe.
fhttp://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-bmw-540i-xdrive-test-review
The center console still looks pregnant. Too little too late. That Navi map stil looks like it s from early 2000.
there is newer infotainment system in development.. It still has Krell Audio system as standard. Honda is rich firm. they can provide options as standard.
Acura Precision Cockpit Previews Acura's Future Interface ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
We spent a fair amount of time poking around the system with the folks who designed it and found that it works fairly intuitively, certainly more effectively than Lexus’s clumsy Remote Touch interface. Other trick features of the Precision Cockpit include graphics and colors that change according to the chosen drive mode—white for Snow, blue for Comfort, Red for Sport, and Orange for Sport Plus. The display ahead of the driver uses what Acura calls a 3D engine to support a dynamic layout that shows other cars, objects, pedestrians, cyclists, and more. When autonomous driving becomes a thing in Acuras, it will be able to recognize other vehicles being driven in autonomous modes via vehicle-to-vehicle communications.
they said there are improvemetns to the hybrid system based on NSX experiance.
new MDX hybrid 0-130mph in 32 second. pulling 0.87G. You wont find any other 7 seater SUV with similar high speed performance and handling from skinny 245 size all season tires on 20 inch rim with super quiet refinement.
TLX already beating in quietness and comfort BMW 3 and Audi A4.
Nothing prevents RLX to beat MDX in handling and performrnace with superior comfort and refinement over the top of TLX. There is no doubt about Made in Japan quality and reliability for those who understand. This will permanently shut Yeh and his hyundai Genesis / Germanic crap that she was spouting every month.
BMW 540Xdrive only 0.88G from 19inch rim. BMW put limiter under 130mph. they dont want to hide the high speed aerodynamics inefficiency. Civic Type-R 0-140 mph in 28.5 seconds and its hatch not even a aerodynamic Coupe.
fhttp://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-bmw-540i-xdrive-test-review
Stop bring rims and tires into conversation. You are not allowed to use word, rims, wheels, tires, upgraded,superior and aero anymore. I wish i was a MOD
there is newer infotainment system in development.. It still has Krell Audio system as standard. Honda is rich firm. they can provide options as standard.
Acura Precision Cockpit Previews Acura's Future Interface ? News ? Car and Driver Car and Driver Blog
We spent a fair amount of time poking around the system with the folks who designed it and found that it works fairly intuitively, certainly more effectively than Lexus’s clumsy Remote Touch interface. Other trick features of the Precision Cockpit include graphics and colors that change according to the chosen drive mode—white for Snow, blue for Comfort, Red for Sport, and Orange for Sport Plus. The display ahead of the driver uses what Acura calls a 3D engine to support a dynamic layout that shows other cars, objects, pedestrians, cyclists, and more. When autonomous driving becomes a thing in Acuras, it will be able to recognize other vehicles being driven in autonomous modes via vehicle-to-vehicle communications.
In development means nothing. By the time it is released, all cars will be driving by themselves.
Your argument makes 0 sense... Hey all the appliances are "standard" if you buy the house. Instead of $500,000, i now charge you $600,000 but hey standard right?
All cars will not have same quality and sophistication. Honda i always ahead of others in real implementation of technology.
i havent heared they are charging more for this than current RLX. it will minor adjustments. this thing is coming practically fuly loaded with all the safety features. navigation is good enough consider it is secondary use than music system. people use music daily. while navigation is mostly out of town.
the closest you can come is Lexus GS F in red mica but that car has no road presence. RLX Is tall and wider stance. NO one is going to mistake RLX for TLX. it is such design. BMW/MB will have to give bargain basement leases on 5 series and E class.
Road presence and styling to match performance. if they removed the speed limitor and put perofrmance tires and rims. it will go all the way to 200mph.
Ive wondered that for about as long as i have been tinkering/modding FWD vehicles, especially when the large front overhang/heavy nose fwd discussions come up.
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But A-Spec doesn't offer any real performance over non-A-Specs trims.
Need to see the new Accord in person.
