Saintor

Yeah, must "growl" like the small dog in that avatar. lol.

thoiboi

pyrodan007

You car's bark is just as tame, calm down

svtmike

He has a bad case of little dog syndrome.

If you had the automotive equivalent of a Chinese crested dog you would too.

Saintor

Still better than the litle brain syndrome.

If we'd believe those 2.0T fans, they would probably swear that they sound as good as their bigger V6 engine offering (A4 vs S4 for example), which is like having their head deep in sand, obviously.

BEAR-AvHistory

Yeah, thats what you think. Actually his fairy godmother changes the pumpkin into a Demon with her magic Sport+ wand.

svtmike

Nice straw man. If you only had a brain....

Saintor

Ok get your little d-assery elsewhere....

pyrodan007

So you're saying that pure engine design is responsible for sound, and nothing is due to muffler/exhaust tuning....

Ok then .... Does your V6 sound like this? This is from an even smaller Turbo 4 lol


Ya, don't think so ...

Saintor

Totally different category of toys. This is a *ridiculous* comparison, not related to any A4 / TLX / Accord discussion. You are talking apples and oranges.

In the past, I bought numerous aftermarket exhausts, one of them was a Borja on a VW 16v (I owned 3) - it did sound great. Porsche 718 are not bad either, not yet to the level of the H6 they had. You think that you are teaching something?

Ya, don't think so ...

pyrodan007

So what the fuck does engine have to do with sound if it can be tuned with muffler?! The entire forum's point exactly, that you have no point. QED.
TLX also sounds anemic, just like the A4, just like the Accord. Unless your TLX was the only one hand tuned by Acura to sound like a [INSERT SPORTS CAR] ...

kurtatx

He loves to call us 2.0Toy fans

Which is ridiculous. I'm not a 2.0Toy fan. I'm a "real engine fan", which is to say, if I'm going to get a V6, I want the motherload 6 cylinder in the BMW 340i, Audi S4. If i'm getting the weight of a 6 cylinder, I want all that appropriate power. 290 HP in a 6 cylinder engine is borderline criminal.

svtmike

It was a good engine in its time.

iforyou

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To be fair, for a luxury car or family car, a V6 is in general more desirable compared to a smaller turbocharged 4-banger in terms of NVH and sound characteristic. It is totally understandable why some folks aren't happy with Honda moving from the J35 to the K20C4 for the Accord. It's a real nice engine that is highly competitive in its segment in terms of NVH, real world mpg, torque, power, and reliability.

IMO, there's no right or wrong for this. It's a matter of personal preference and priorities.

Saintor

What is criminal is to put a Jetta engine in a $45-50K car. Totally *UNFIT*. Why do you think that EVEN Subaru is selling a 3.6L 256HP 6-cyl. in their LEGACY, although they had a 260HP 2.5T 12 YEARS AGO!!! Because those stressed 2.X Toys feel cheap, cheap, CHEAP..

You are so blinded by the audi and turbo-madness cool-aid that you can't even recognize any Acura strong traits. And then you are complaining about V6 weight although your A4Q weights more than a TLX V6 (3671llbs vs 3617)? LOL.

According to C&D, which is quicker from idle to 60mph? A 340i or a TLX V6? Mmmmm....? They are basically even but technically you are correct if you chose the ,,, TLX V6 (5.8s vs 5.9s for a 2016 340i).

That's an achiever.

Saintor

Quoted for truth.

Again, congrats to Toyota for their new 2018 3.5L V6.

kurtatx

That way, when Lexus drivers fall asleep at the wheel from pure boredom, they'll have a big, anemic engine to shield them as they plow through a pet shop.

Saintor

Well, somehow Lexus will continue to laugh all the way to the bank....

July 2017 sales

• ES 6,641 +25.6%
• Class 4,899 -22.3%
• 3series 4,084 -39.9%
• A4 2,652 +1.5%

svtmike

You know what is criminal in a luxury car today?? FWD. Totally unfit.

Lol. You are a world class cherry picker.

TLX SHAWD is almost 100 lbs heavier than the Audi.

TLX SHAWD is 15% less efficient than the Audi.

TLX SHAWD is slower to sixty than the Audi.

Quite the achiever.

Lol.

kurtatx

All of this, all the while the A4 cabin is noticeably quieter and more luxurious.

And I absolutely hate bashing the TLX because I understand why people buy it, but 'aintor brings it out in me.

wilspainar

I had my fun with Audi, those repair bills do not agree with my wallet.

kurtatx

I totally understand that, but that's a different discussion.

hadokenuh

But but but the Acura is cheaper and more reliable.

F23A4

I think this thread has run its course.

kurtatx

In before the

BEAR-AvHistory

There are lots of new looks that things are changing.



Acura is still hanging on but a lot of brand new owners are not happy campers.

Saintor

All your typical nonsense. Fits your "Excels at nothing" mantra.

OF COURSE, the new S4 (closest config as the SH-AWD) is heavier than the SH-AWD. Not that I care by a +/- 3% (2% of which is within instrument's margin error), but this addresses the kid's lame pretext.

Unrelated to I4T vs V6, but the recent TLX's reliability is fine (zero issue on mine after almost 2 years) and as an Honda, this is one great car to bring to 250-400K miles. I wouldn't dare to do that in a BMW or Audi.

justnspace

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because you dont have the skill or resources to do so?

kurtatx

There is no Acura equivalent to the S4. The SH-AWD isn't even as fast as the A4

Saintor

Of course it isn't. But they have both a close configuration for weight comparison, although the TLX is almost 4" longer. The TLX has a larger engine, but the S4 has all the FI hardware explaining why it is a tad heavier.

hadokenuh

You didn't take me seriously on that comment, did you?

svtmike

TLX SHAWD to A4 Quattro is a sensible comparison because most buyers in the segment will cross-shop them before buying the A4.

Dragging the S4 into the conversation is just moving the goalposts to a different flawed comparison that attempts to cast the TLX as technically superior when it is not.

BEAR-AvHistory

Though the charts were interesting to post. Personal experience with 4 BMW's & 1 Acura. The Acura TL is still ahead of the BMW's in total issues that required the dealer to resolve.

Some small issues like a dead LED tail light two weeks into TL's ownership are easily overlooked except for 4 visits to the dealer to get it fixed, but a 6MT rebuild on a TSB issue at 22K miles sort of puts a chink in the Acura dependability thing.

The TL issues were listed as they occurred on the TL forum. BMW issues listed on there forum as the occurred. IIRC some bad fuel injectors on the 335is were the worse issue. Since I had modified that one up to 410WHP the injectors may have been a self inflicted wound.

To be fair none of the cars has gone down on the road.

TacoBello

You need to realize that the J35- in fact, any J series engine, for that matter- are appliance engines. The engine in your TLX is the same as the white deep freeze you have sitting in your garage. They're both built for long term use. They're both built to require very little maintenance. They don't do anything extraordinary, but are efficient at what they do.

One could argue that the A4 or 340i have engines in the same category (I wouldn't agree, but I'm sure you would). Here's the thing, though. There really isn't much you can do to change the characteristics of the TLX engine. You can spend 3-5k on mods and gain a whopping 25hp. With the A4 or 340i? A relatively inexpensive computer chip- sometimes that won't even void your warranty- will highly change the characteristics of that engine. $1500 bucks and doing a direct plug and play change to the car, 10 minutes later, you now have something way more special. And it retains warranty. And it changes throttle response, peak horsepower, peak torque, and sometimes even improves fuel economy. With essentially zero modding whatsoever. No super loud exhaust. No exhaust smell in the cabin from PCDs, no negative attributes whatsoever. Now in the case of the A4, you have that mated to a DCT transmission, and whoa... TLX!!!

And if that chip doesn't do it for you, you can of course do what the TLX guys do and install a full exhaust and squeeze even more power from the platform. Without even touching the boost levels whatsoever, beyond what the chip already has done.

I'm also surprised you bash Audi interiors so much. I never knew why people loved Audis so much, until I sat in one for the very first time, back in like 2013. And then I *instantly* knew why. I went into the dealership with a "meh, overpriced" mantra, and walked out thinking "whoa, what was I thinking?"

aIRpeACE

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why?

kurtatx

Back in 2011 when I bought my 08 A4, I was skeptical. My wife encouraged me to try an Audi just to see it. We were literally floored. It took a lot for us to say "We'll keep it under consideration" when, in fact, the quality blew us away. Even in Feb when I was set on buying a 3 or 4 series, I gave the Audi a shot and the A4 just blew the interior quality out of the water.

iforyou

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Wouldn't be surprised if most of those so called initial issues were from the dual screen setup lol.

F23A4

I was going to post the same comment earlier.

BEAR-AvHistory

Most likely difficulty of people to use the electronics, but the same issues exist with many brands. I have not used half the stuff available in the 440, most likely never will.

I do think when people get off on the wrong foot with any car anything that comes up as an issue later will put them out of sorts. I think the point is really all about perception being the reality. I believe Honda is still living on the solid reliability record wracked quite a bit earlier in its history.

Based on family experience two pilots one we still have were good trucks. One Acura & two Hondas were definitely not bullet proof. One MT & one AT rebuilt or replaced. The AT as a result of the class action suite logged because Honda would not take any responsibly for a very poorly designed unit.

F23A4

I on the other hand haven't had an issue with any of the Honda's I've had since returning to the brand in 2007. ( I left the brand back in 02 due to a transmission failure in my 99 Accord. Departing to the Nissan camp, I owned a Quest, Maxima and Murano during this Honda hiatus....Quest needed a tranny in year five, but the Maxima blew its MaF sensor and the Murano needed the throttle body replaced both problems occurring in their first year.)

Despite the tragedy that's befallen many of my TLX V6 brethren (many with first year models) my TLX V6 has been trouble free mechanically, as was the 14 Accord Sport, 12 Accord EX and 07 AV6 that preceded. (Not to mention my current 15 MDX, and the 12 MDX and 09 MDX that preceded it.)

Re: JD Power, I do think that The infotainment setup is largely likely why the brand doesn't rank as well as it should. While I do enjoy the aesthetics of the unit, the interface is poor. The current '18 seems to have addressed some of the interface issues.

I do think that JD Power's VDS should have a "less holistic" version, addressing only car mechanicals. A radio that isn't user friendly won't put me on the side of the road but a bad tranny is a different story.