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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 12:53 PM
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E-85 gas

how quickly can e-85 gas eat paint off of a vehicle
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 01:25 PM
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ethanol is just alcohol made from corn and other grains.
gasoline is what probably damages paint and I think it happens over time....like if you constantly spill gasoline on paint, then the clear coat will eventually get damaged and cloudy....which then could eat away at the color paint..
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 02:39 PM
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E85 is more corrosive than gasoline that's why Flex Fuel cars was implemented. I'm not sure how much more corrosive E85 is than gasoline but E85 will eat paint faster than gasoline. Just keep that in mind when you spill E85 on paint.
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 02:42 PM
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thanks for correcting me!!
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Old Jun 15, 2017 | 10:09 PM
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Everything I've read says E85 is not much more corrosive than gas. You'd probably have to have repeated, prolonged exposure of your paint to E85 to cause permanent damage.

But E85 shouldn't be anywhere near your 3G TL!!

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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 06:34 AM
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^I didnt have first hand experience, but I googled just for this thread....and EVERYTHING said...prolonged repeat exposure to E85 will eat through the clear coat, EVENTUALLy
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Old Jun 16, 2017 | 07:34 AM
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But the real question here is.....why would E-85 be anywhere near a 3G TL?
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Old Jun 21, 2017 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 01acls
E85 is more corrosive than gasoline that's why Flex Fuel cars was implemented. I'm not sure how much more corrosive E85 is than gasoline but E85 will eat paint faster than gasoline. Just keep that in mind when you spill E85 on paint.
Flex fuel was implemented because E85 is more corrosive than gasoline...?
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Waffeey
Flex fuel was implemented because E85 is more corrosive than gasoline...?
"Flex Fuel cars"
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 01acls
"Flex Fuel cars"
Flex fuel/Flex fuel cars... same thing. I'd like you to explain your theory on flex fuel cars being implemented because their fuel is more corrosive.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Waffeey
Flex fuel/Flex fuel cars... same thing. I'd like you to explain your theory on flex fuel cars being implemented because their fuel is more corrosive.
The Flex Fuel cars are basically the same car with its twin non flex fuel car with the exception of the upgraded fuel system to handle E85. Flex Fuel cars can use both E85 and standard gasoline. Non flex fuel cas are not authorized to use E85. End of story.

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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 12:31 PM
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The Flex Fuel cars are basically the same car with its twin non flex fuel car with the exception of the upgraded fuel system to handle E85. Flex Fuel cars can use both E85 and standard gasoline. Non flex fuel cas are not authorized to use E85. End of story.
Many (most, all?) Flex Fuel engines also have higher flow rate fuel injectors to enable the richer mixture necessary when running E-85.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Many (most, all?) Flex Fuel engines also have higher flow rate fuel injectors to enable the richer mixture necessary when running E-85.
Higher fuel pressure is not a game changer. There are plenty of high performance engines using higher fuel pressures on standard gasoline without issues.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 01:07 PM
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Higher fuel pressure is not a game changer. There are plenty of high performance engines using higher fuel pressures on standard gasoline without issues.
That are not authorized to use E85.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 01acls
Higher fuel pressure is not a game changer. There are plenty of high performance engines using higher fuel pressures on standard gasoline without issues.
Ummm, I never said anything about higher fuel pressure, I said E-85 engines have higher flow rate fuel injectors.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Ummm, I never said anything about higher fuel pressure, I said E-85 engines have higher flow rate fuel injectors.
OK my bad.

You cannot have higher flow rate without higher pressure. Likewise, there are plenty of engines running high flow rates that are still not authorized to use E85.

You cannot just increase the fuel volume and use E85 without issues in the long term.

It's the fuel E85 that's more corrosive than standard gasoline is the game changer.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 01acls
You cannot have higher flow rate without higher pressure.
Incorrect, flow rates are a function of both pressure and orifice size. Leave the pressure alone and increase the orifice size(s), and the flow through the fuel injectors changes.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Incorrect, flow rates are a function of both pressure and orifice size. Leave the pressure alone and increase the orifice size(s), and the flow through the fuel injectors changes.
Not necessarily, only if the pressure is high enough to compensate for the larger orifice size.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 01acls
Not necessarily, only if the pressure is high enough to compensate for the larger orifice size.
Okay, now this discussion is just getting silly. Modern fuel injection systems run a regulated pressure; the pump is more than capable of compensating for the higher flow rate injectors. That said, many manufacturers also specify a different fuel pump, although whether that is because of the corrosive nature of E-85 or the need for higher flow from the pump, or both, I haven't done enough research to say which manufacturers do which. Long story short, the pressure in modern fuel injection systems remains stable regardless of whether the engine is idling or running at WOT up near redline.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Okay, now this discussion is just getting silly. Modern fuel injection systems run a regulated pressure; the pump is more than capable of compensating for the higher flow rate injectors. That said, many manufacturers also specify a different fuel pump, although whether that is because of the corrosive nature of E-85 or the need for higher flow from the pump, or both, I haven't done enough research to say which manufacturers do which. Long story short, the pressure in modern fuel injection systems remains stable regardless of whether the engine is idling or running at WOT up near redline.




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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 03:46 PM
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And your point is?
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 01acls
The Flex Fuel cars are basically the same car with its twin non flex fuel car with the exception of the upgraded fuel system to handle E85. Flex Fuel cars can use both E85 and standard gasoline. Non flex fuel cas are not authorized to use E85. End of story.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 04:01 PM
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I think that has been well established; I ask again, what's your point?
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
I think that has been well established; I ask again, what's your point?
My point is E85 is more corrosive the standard gasoline. Anyone that spills E85 on their paint need to clean it off of their car paint ASAP.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 04:35 PM
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Many (most, all?) Flex Fuel engines also have higher flow rate fuel injectors to enable the richer mixture necessary when running E-85.
What does that have to do with OP question... "E-85 gas how quickly can e-85 gas eat paint off of a vehicle"

What's your point?
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 09:39 PM
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My point is E85 is more corrosive the standard gasoline. Anyone that spills E85 on their paint need to clean it off of their car paint ASAP.
This was established as well many posts back.
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Originally Posted by 01acls
What does that have to do with OP question... "E-85 gas how quickly can e-85 gas eat paint off of a vehicle"

What's your point?
Following thread creep, sent further astray by your posts with (initially) incomplete and misleading information.

Time to give it up, we all know E-85 is corrosive, and we all know that the fuel systems, fuel pump, lines, injectors, and other components are somewhat different between two otherwise identical cars, one FlexFuel and one not.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Following thread creep, sent further astray by your posts with (initially) incomplete and misleading information.

Time to give it up, we all know E-85 is corrosive, and we all know that the fuel systems, fuel pump, lines, injectors, and other components are somewhat different between two otherwise identical cars, one FlexFuel and one not.
It's only misleading if you can't keep up and I don't have anymore time to draw you pictures.
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Old Jun 22, 2017 | 10:04 PM
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Ahhh, I see you're a legend in your own mind. I'm done here.
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Old Jun 23, 2017 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by horseshoez
Ahhh, I see you're a legend in your own mind. I'm done here.
Your info is incorrect...

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-p...cement-929421/

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...ission-943471/

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-p...nt-diy-951935/
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