Honda announces end of v-6 for Accord.
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Per the Honda press release I read a few days ago, there will be three drivetrain setups:
- Hybrid
- 1.5 liter turbo with either a 10-Speed automatic or a 6-Speed manual
- 2.0 liter turbo with either a 10-Speed automatic or a 6-Speed manual
Anyways - good news on the 6MT.
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
The 2018 Accord will feature two available high-torque, high-efficiency turbocharged powerplants, a 1.5-liter direct-injected DOHC Turbo with dual variable cam timing (dual VTC), mated to either a Honda continuously variable automatic transmission (CVT) or 6-speed manual transmission; and a 2.0-liter direct-injected DOHC Turbo with i-VTEC® valvetrain, paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission – the industry's first 10AT for a front-wheel-drive passenger car – or a 6-speed manual. An all-new, even more refined Accord Hybrid will be powered by the next-generation of Honda's innovative two-motor hybrid technology, which uniquely operates without the use of a conventional automatic transmission.
Correction.
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
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I wonder if Honda fears the long term reliability of the CVT. I know it's comparing apples to oranges, but a friend of mine working at a Nissan dealership says they have on average 2 vehicles a day come in with shot CVT transmissions.
Ive heard a number of people suggest that CVTs are a bit concerning when it comes to long term ownership. No idea how true it is. I wouldn't buy one even if they were bullet proof.
Ive heard a number of people suggest that CVTs are a bit concerning when it comes to long term ownership. No idea how true it is. I wouldn't buy one even if they were bullet proof.
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What I meant is that the correct phrase is "I could not care less." You wrote "I could care less" which implies that you do care whether it has a sunroof or not.
Grammar Girl : "Could Care Less" Versus "Couldn't Care Less" :: Quick and Dirty Tips ?
People say they could care less when, logically, they mean they couldn’t care less.
The phrase "I couldn’t care less" originated in Britain and made its way to the United States in the 1950s. The phrase "I could care less" appeared in the US about a decade later.
In the early 1990s, the well-known Harvard professor and language writer Stephen Pinker argued that the way most people say could care less—the way they emphasize the words—implies they are being ironic or sarcastic.
Other linguists have argued that the type of sound at the end of "couldn’t" is naturally dropped by sloppy or slurring speakers.
Regardless of the reason people say they could care less, it is one of the more common language peeves because of its illogical nature. To say you could care less means you have a bit of caring left, which is not what the speakers seem to intend. The proper "couldn’t care less" is still the dominant form in print, but "could care less" has been steadily gaining ground since its appearance in the 1960s.
The phrase "I couldn’t care less" originated in Britain and made its way to the United States in the 1950s. The phrase "I could care less" appeared in the US about a decade later.
In the early 1990s, the well-known Harvard professor and language writer Stephen Pinker argued that the way most people say could care less—the way they emphasize the words—implies they are being ironic or sarcastic.
Other linguists have argued that the type of sound at the end of "couldn’t" is naturally dropped by sloppy or slurring speakers.
Regardless of the reason people say they could care less, it is one of the more common language peeves because of its illogical nature. To say you could care less means you have a bit of caring left, which is not what the speakers seem to intend. The proper "couldn’t care less" is still the dominant form in print, but "could care less" has been steadily gaining ground since its appearance in the 1960s.
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Correction.
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
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Correction.
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
1.5T gets either a CVT or 6MT
2.0T gets either a 10 speed auto or 6MT
All-New 10th Generation Honda Accord Launching This Year with Advanced New Powertrain Lineup - Honda News
What I meant is that the correct phrase is "I could not care less." You wrote "I could care less" which implies that you do care whether it has a sunroof or not.
Grammar Girl : "Could Care Less" Versus "Couldn't Care Less" :: Quick and Dirty Tips ?
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There was some dumb Honda-ism about it that really grinded my gears (no pun intended, in fact the POS I test drove had the CVT). Ultimately leading to buying the TSX, which brought be to Azine, which as Tacobello so succinctly pointed out, has lead to my absolute lack of useful contribution to this or any topic.
There's just this nagging feeling I have that Honda will be like, "Hey consumers! Here's a potentially cool car that you can't equip like you want... Enjoy driving your appliance! Dumbasses."
But who know. Maybe they'll get it right?
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Better fuel economy?
More gears = more time in the optimal power range.
CVT with it's theoretical infinite "gears" seemed to be the magic bean. Except it generally sucks, so cramming as many gears into a slushbox will get as much KM per litre as possible.
More gears = more time in the optimal power range.
CVT with it's theoretical infinite "gears" seemed to be the magic bean. Except it generally sucks, so cramming as many gears into a slushbox will get as much KM per litre as possible.
The thing about the theoretical "Optimal Power Range" on modern engines is there really is no such a thing. Given dynamic valve timing (and sometimes lift and duration), multi-path intakes, and overall computer control of the engine, the so called optimal power range is very broad, and as such, I rather doubt there will be any performance and/or fuel economy benefit when comparing say a 6-speed automatic to a 10-speed automatic, all else being equal (which of course it rarely, if ever, is).
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Yeah, I now realize what I was thinking of... It wasn't across the board Accords, it was the Manual Sedan. When they brought out the "Sport" version and it didn't come with leather or sunroof. Or maybe there was leather. And I think it only came in silver or white or something like that.
There was some dumb Honda-ism about it that really grinded my gears (no pun intended, in fact the POS I test drove had the CVT). Ultimately leading to buying the TSX, which brought be to Azine, which as Tacobello so succinctly pointed out, has lead to my absolute lack of useful contribution to this or any topic.
There's just this nagging feeling I have that Honda will be like, "Hey consumers! Here's a potentially cool car that you can't equip like you want... Enjoy driving your appliance! Dumbasses."
But who know. Maybe they'll get it right?
There was some dumb Honda-ism about it that really grinded my gears (no pun intended, in fact the POS I test drove had the CVT). Ultimately leading to buying the TSX, which brought be to Azine, which as Tacobello so succinctly pointed out, has lead to my absolute lack of useful contribution to this or any topic.
There's just this nagging feeling I have that Honda will be like, "Hey consumers! Here's a potentially cool car that you can't equip like you want... Enjoy driving your appliance! Dumbasses."
But who know. Maybe they'll get it right?
Couldn't agree more. My soon to be sold 2001 Honda Accord EX V6 Sedan was not available in North America south of the Canadian border with heated mirrors, meanwhile north of that same border ALL Accords, regardless of trim level, were equipped with them. Seriously? What is it about say Michigan versus Ontario where the former shouldn't have heated exterior mirrors, but the latter absolutely needs them?
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The thing about the theoretical "Optimal Power Range" on modern engines is there really is no such a thing. Given dynamic valve timing (and sometimes lift and duration), multi-path intakes, and overall computer control of the engine, the so called optimal power range is very broad, and as such, I rather doubt there will be any performance and/or fuel economy benefit when comparing say a 6-speed automatic to a 10-speed automatic, all else being equal (which of course it rarely, if ever, is).
For the second part though, the 6 vs 10 speed; well, I think the biggest discriminator there is the fact that the auto manufacturers are being pressed into an EPA fuel economy figure (at least in the USofA) that they are moving towards with smaller engines and higher # gear boxes (along with other tricks).
But the thing is that it's all basically the standardized testing of the car world. Since that's basically what they're being graded on, that's what they're working towards; to pass a test under highly controlled variables and environments.
In the real world will you or I see an appreciable difference between 6 and 9 or 10 or CVT∞? Probably not. Maybe. Depends.
But on the lab test under closely controlled conditions? Sure. Probably makes a big difference.
SO in the end, AutoCo gets an A+ on their test but the consumer gets some autotragic box of rubberbands to commute with.
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2017 Honda Accord Arrives in Showrooms with New Sport Special Edition - Press Releases - Honda News
For 2017 Honda is introducing the Accord Sport Special Edition sedan with premium features consisting of leather seats with red stitching, heated seats and "Special Edition" badge.
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2017 Accord Sport SE has leather seats.
2017 Honda Accord Arrives in Showrooms with New Sport Special Edition - Press Releases - Honda News
2017 Honda Accord Arrives in Showrooms with New Sport Special Edition - Press Releases - Honda News
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Fuck that, I'll take the moonroof! Canada also got some other shit, like (I think) turn signal lights on the mirrors, and I dunno, a handful of other things. As oonowindow pointed out, Canada is fuck all of a market. I'm surprised Honda differentiates between Canada and the US.
However, It appears lots of Canadians do buy Honda products though. And it appears we likely spend a few more dollars on our cars than the US (beyond the exchange rate), attributing for more features.
However, It appears lots of Canadians do buy Honda products though. And it appears we likely spend a few more dollars on our cars than the US (beyond the exchange rate), attributing for more features.
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Fuck that, I'll take the moonroof! Canada also got some other shit, like (I think) turn signal lights on the mirrors, and I dunno, a handful of other things. As oonowindow pointed out, Canada is fuck all of a market. I'm surprised Honda differentiates between Canada and the US.
However, It appears lots of Canadians do buy Honda products though. And it appears we likely spend a few more dollars on our cars than the US (beyond the exchange rate), attributing for more features.
However, It appears lots of Canadians do buy Honda products though. And it appears we likely spend a few more dollars on our cars than the US (beyond the exchange rate), attributing for more features.
as far as I know, the 13+ I4 EX sedan was offered with a 6MT, so it had the moonroof, keyless start, display audio, ect.. Not sure if they kept it that way on the 16 refresh though
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Fuck that, I'll take the moonroof! Canada also got some other shit, like (I think) turn signal lights on the mirrors, and I dunno, a handful of other things. As oonowindow pointed out, Canada is fuck all of a market. I'm surprised Honda differentiates between Canada and the US.
However, It appears lots of Canadians do buy Honda products though. And it appears we likely spend a few more dollars on our cars than the US (beyond the exchange rate), attributing for more features.
However, It appears lots of Canadians do buy Honda products though. And it appears we likely spend a few more dollars on our cars than the US (beyond the exchange rate), attributing for more features.
Not really; same stuff seems to happen in the Mazda world. Back in 2009 I bought a new Mazda3, and similar to my 2001 Honda, I found the ONLY way to get heated exterior mirrors was to live north of the Canadian border; apparently New Hampshire doesn't get enough winter weather to justify heated mirrors; funny thing though, the first winter I had that Mazda we got over 100" of snow.
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Acura /Honda is like the ONLY company that favours the Canadian market when it comes to features and content. Like we had the white on black leather interior option for a long time before the U.S could and our 3G MDX had surround view camera and real wood trim among other things before they could even option it on the MDX. But it appears it's starting to tip in the other direction because our TLX A-Spec can't be had with red or blue on red like it can in the states.
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Not really; same stuff seems to happen in the Mazda world. Back in 2009 I bought a new Mazda3, and similar to my 2001 Honda, I found the ONLY way to get heated exterior mirrors was to live north of the Canadian border; apparently New Hampshire doesn't get enough winter weather to justify heated mirrors; funny thing though, the first winter I had that Mazda we got over 100" of snow.
I'm ok with that. The superman look is an eye sore. But, I doubt it's tipping back. Unless Americans all of a sudden want to spend more on their Honda or Acura products. Canada has in the past had different or limited color options, when it comes to Acura or Honda. Not always. But there have been other instances.
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Fuck that, I'll take the moonroof! Canada also got some other shit, like (I think) turn signal lights on the mirrors, and I dunno, a handful of other things. As oonowindow pointed out, Canada is fuck all of a market. I'm surprised Honda differentiates between Canada and the US.
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Acura /Honda is like the ONLY company that favours the Canadian market when it comes to features and content. Like we had the white on black leather interior option for a long time before the U.S could and our 3G MDX had surround view camera and real wood trim among other things before they could even option it on the MDX. But it appears it's starting to tip in the other direction because our TLX A-Spec can't be had with red or blue on red like it can in the states.
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NSX should've been a $120k car, even if that meant ditching the hybrid drivetrain. At $200k +/-, you're more expensive than most 911s and up against some serious competition like the McLaren 570S, R8 V10, etc. NSX should be a Carrera alternative, not $50k more expensive.