Formula One: 2017 Season News and Discussion Thread
#522
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That is really interesting. This whole knit shoe thing is really taking off on multiple brands. I can't really understand how they will hold up overtime though against abrasions and such.
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#528
Check this out, it's a digital version of the program for the Russian GP!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
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Legend2TL (04-27-2017)
#529
A friends races a couple Shelby Mustangs (1965 & 1966) and used to race a Formula Ford 2000 (Reynard), he was also a SCCA instructor.
His racing shoes are Simpson, and the soles are pretty thin.
If you ever watch the drivers get in their cars before a wet race. you'll see a crew member take a dry cloth and wipe down the soles before they get in.
#530
Check this out, it's a digital version of the program for the Russian GP!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
If it's the Russian GP, I was looking for the Trump ad
And what's up with the Renault and Sauber drivers suits
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Check this out, it's a digital version of the program for the Russian GP!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
#532
Check this out, it's a digital version of the program for the Russian GP!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...ssia-2017.html
#534
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/b...atible-898339/
He told Motorsport.com: “The Grand Prix of Long Beach is obviously a fantastic event and has a wonderful 43-year history, initially with Formula 1 but most recently with IndyCar. It’s a great venue for IndyCar.
“But the economics that Formula 1 requires would need heavy subsidy from government, and from what I understand, I don’t believe Long Beach is prepared to pay that type of rights fee.
“The other very significant part is that to host an F1 race, the track would need to be FIA Grade 1, and that would need a longer track with much more run-off and a substantial pit complex. Well, the track is up against the harbor so you’re not really dealing with an environment that is easy to modify! Plus, the entire circuit resides within the jurisdiction of the California Coastal Commission so any circuit improvements such as the necessary pit/garage complex would be subject to their review and approval.
“So even from the construction point of view, the amount of capital expenditure that would be needed is tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars. On top of that, like I say, the rights fee for Formula 1 is infinitely more than IndyCar demands.
“Combine those two costs together and there is no economic model where private investors can get any return on that investment, so therefore it all comes back to the state of California and the City of Long Beach coming up with the funding. I know KPMG has been hired to conduct a study, but that study is going to say it will cost hundreds of millions in commitment.”
The nearest point of comparison is the Circuit of The Americas, which hosts the United States Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, which is paying a rights fee agreement of $250m over 10 years
“Right,” said Brown, “and the fact is that if you look at every single Formula 1 race – the Circuit of The Americas included – that gets a government subsidy, they are still financially challenged. So I don’t see any economic model that would make F1 at Long Beach work.
“That’s not a negative towards Formula 1 nor a negative towards Long Beach. They’re just incompatible and suggesting that isn’t the case is very much trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.”
Brown said that as a general motorsports enthusiast, he didn’t like the speculation and rumors around F1 and Long Beach hurting the Verizon IndyCar Series’ second most prestigious event after the Indianapolis 500.
“I want to see all motorsports succeed, and it’s a real shame to see a big race for IndyCar being regularly distracted by this kind of thing. I think the end result is going to be IndyCar remains at Long Beach, so why waste time, money and political resources on this?
“Honestly, if I thought this concept had any validity, I would say so. You know, if this was a new event, I’d give my opinion to Liberty and encourage them; I’d say, ‘Yeah, go for it; do a viability study.’ But while I think Formula 1 at Long Beach was a great concept, I don’t think it’s close to being viable.”
To that end, Brown said that he doubted Liberty Media even had Long Beach on its radar for potential F1 venues.
“I’m not aware of every market that Liberty is reviewing,” he said, “but I’m aware of some, and I can honestly say that as far as potential venues in North America are concerned, I have never heard Long Beach being mentioned as one of them.”
McLaren CEO Zak Brown says that rumors of the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach being on Liberty Media’s list of potential U.S. Formula 1 events are wide of the mark for both financial and practical reasons.
Brown stated that although Liberty Media, who took control of the Formula One Group late last year, is scoping venues to expand F1’s footprint in the U.S., there was no reason to believe that the Grand Prix of Long Beach – which switched from F1 to Indy cars in 1984 – would be perceived as a viable option.He told Motorsport.com: “The Grand Prix of Long Beach is obviously a fantastic event and has a wonderful 43-year history, initially with Formula 1 but most recently with IndyCar. It’s a great venue for IndyCar.
“But the economics that Formula 1 requires would need heavy subsidy from government, and from what I understand, I don’t believe Long Beach is prepared to pay that type of rights fee.
“The other very significant part is that to host an F1 race, the track would need to be FIA Grade 1, and that would need a longer track with much more run-off and a substantial pit complex. Well, the track is up against the harbor so you’re not really dealing with an environment that is easy to modify! Plus, the entire circuit resides within the jurisdiction of the California Coastal Commission so any circuit improvements such as the necessary pit/garage complex would be subject to their review and approval.
“So even from the construction point of view, the amount of capital expenditure that would be needed is tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars. On top of that, like I say, the rights fee for Formula 1 is infinitely more than IndyCar demands.
“Combine those two costs together and there is no economic model where private investors can get any return on that investment, so therefore it all comes back to the state of California and the City of Long Beach coming up with the funding. I know KPMG has been hired to conduct a study, but that study is going to say it will cost hundreds of millions in commitment.”
The nearest point of comparison is the Circuit of The Americas, which hosts the United States Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, which is paying a rights fee agreement of $250m over 10 years
“Right,” said Brown, “and the fact is that if you look at every single Formula 1 race – the Circuit of The Americas included – that gets a government subsidy, they are still financially challenged. So I don’t see any economic model that would make F1 at Long Beach work.
“That’s not a negative towards Formula 1 nor a negative towards Long Beach. They’re just incompatible and suggesting that isn’t the case is very much trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.”
Brown said that as a general motorsports enthusiast, he didn’t like the speculation and rumors around F1 and Long Beach hurting the Verizon IndyCar Series’ second most prestigious event after the Indianapolis 500.
“I want to see all motorsports succeed, and it’s a real shame to see a big race for IndyCar being regularly distracted by this kind of thing. I think the end result is going to be IndyCar remains at Long Beach, so why waste time, money and political resources on this?
“Honestly, if I thought this concept had any validity, I would say so. You know, if this was a new event, I’d give my opinion to Liberty and encourage them; I’d say, ‘Yeah, go for it; do a viability study.’ But while I think Formula 1 at Long Beach was a great concept, I don’t think it’s close to being viable.”
To that end, Brown said that he doubted Liberty Media even had Long Beach on its radar for potential F1 venues.
“I’m not aware of every market that Liberty is reviewing,” he said, “but I’m aware of some, and I can honestly say that as far as potential venues in North America are concerned, I have never heard Long Beach being mentioned as one of them.”
#535
Wow, interesting analysis. The McLaren/Honda in quali trim seems to be running 3-4% slower down the straights and 5-10% slower in the twisties.... Yeezus, that's NOT GOOD.
So, why is Sauber looking to partner with Honda? (Besides the F1 regs on engine suppliers?)
So, why is Sauber looking to partner with Honda? (Besides the F1 regs on engine suppliers?)
#536
That was my original point. Because it's fabric now, it seems that even if someone wipes down the sole of the shoe, the top sock side could get drenched. Maybe he's going to wear a plastic booty over the sock if it rains.
#537
Agreed. This is a huge step up. Unfortunately, why do I have a feeling they will charge for this in the future.
#538
Hard to tell but from the pic, the sole material looks different from the side material which is mesh like.
#539
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#541
At least Kvyat has a sense of humor with his Russian GP helmet design taking on Vettel's comments about Daniel's start in the 2016 race
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/daniil...144053878.html
#543
#544
#546
Sochi FP1
1. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 36.074s
2. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 36.119s
3. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 36.681s
4. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG 1m 37.174s
5. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 37.230s
6. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG 1m 37.290s
7. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 37.457s
8. Felipe Massa BRA Williams - Mercedes 1m 37.900s
9. Lance Stroll CAN Williams - Mercedes 1m 37.944s
10. Esteban Ocon FRA Force India-Mercedes 1m 38.065s
11. Daniil Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 38.496s
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari 1m 38.747s
13. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren-Honda 1m 38.813s
14. Carlos Sainz ESP Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 38.976s
15. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault - Renault 1m 39.158s
16. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 39.533s
17. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 39.541s
18. Pascal Wehrlein GER Sauber - Ferrari 1m 39.731s
19. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber - Ferrari 1m 40.079s
20. Sergey Sirotkin RUS Renault - Renault No Time
1. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 36.074s
2. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 36.119s
3. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 36.681s
4. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG 1m 37.174s
5. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 37.230s
6. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG 1m 37.290s
7. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 37.457s
8. Felipe Massa BRA Williams - Mercedes 1m 37.900s
9. Lance Stroll CAN Williams - Mercedes 1m 37.944s
10. Esteban Ocon FRA Force India-Mercedes 1m 38.065s
11. Daniil Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 38.496s
12. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari 1m 38.747s
13. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren-Honda 1m 38.813s
14. Carlos Sainz ESP Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 38.976s
15. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault - Renault 1m 39.158s
16. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 39.533s
17. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 39.541s
18. Pascal Wehrlein GER Sauber - Ferrari 1m 39.731s
19. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber - Ferrari 1m 40.079s
20. Sergey Sirotkin RUS Renault - Renault No Time
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#547
Sochi FP2:
1. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 34.120s
2. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 34.383s
3. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 34.790s
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 34.829s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG 1m 35.540s
6. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG 1m 35.910s
7. Felipe Massa BRA Williams - Mercedes 1m 36.261s
8. Nico Hulkenberg GER Renault - Renault 1m 36.329s
9. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari 1m 36.506s
10. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 36.600s
11. Esteban Ocon FRA Force India-Mercedes 1m 36.654s
12. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren-Honda 1m 36.765s
13. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault - Renault 1m 36.771s
14. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 37.039s
15. Carlos Sainz ESP Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 37.083s
16. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 37.125s
17. Daniil Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 37.300s
18. Pascal Wehrlein GER Sauber - Ferrari 1m 37.441s
19. Lance Stroll CAN Williams - Mercedes 1m 37.747s
20. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber - Ferrari 1m 37.819s
Ferrari tops both practice sessions on Friday.
1. Sebastian Vettel GER Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 34.120s
2. Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari - Ferrari 1m 34.383s
3. Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 34.790s
4. Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes - Mercedes 1m 34.829s
5. Max Verstappen NED Red Bull - TAG 1m 35.540s
6. Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull - TAG 1m 35.910s
7. Felipe Massa BRA Williams - Mercedes 1m 36.261s
8. Nico Hulkenberg GER Renault - Renault 1m 36.329s
9. Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari 1m 36.506s
10. Sergio Perez MEX Force India-Mercedes 1m 36.600s
11. Esteban Ocon FRA Force India-Mercedes 1m 36.654s
12. Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren-Honda 1m 36.765s
13. Jolyon Palmer GBR Renault - Renault 1m 36.771s
14. Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 37.039s
15. Carlos Sainz ESP Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 37.083s
16. Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 37.125s
17. Daniil Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 37.300s
18. Pascal Wehrlein GER Sauber - Ferrari 1m 37.441s
19. Lance Stroll CAN Williams - Mercedes 1m 37.747s
20. Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber - Ferrari 1m 37.819s
Ferrari tops both practice sessions on Friday.
#548
Canadian GP tickets
So last night I was on the official FIA website looking at tickets for the upcoming Canadian GP for me and my wife. We decided to grab seats down at the entrance to turn 1 on the inside of the track in the new "Platine" Grandstand.
The FIA site shows the seat at $686:
while the Canadian GP organizer's site says $1200!!
Needless to say, I'm going thru the FIA site and left a message since they are on London time and closed for the day already. I'll keep you guys posted.
The FIA site shows the seat at $686:
while the Canadian GP organizer's site says $1200!!
Needless to say, I'm going thru the FIA site and left a message since they are on London time and closed for the day already. I'll keep you guys posted.
#551
^ When my wife got our USGP tickets, she was originally looking on TicketMaster, all were showing sold out. Think she ended up buying them via the F1 site. Don't recall if there was a big price difference (but likely a big fee difference).
#554
Ecclestone made us 'look like idiots' - Sepang boss
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/eccles...135443037.html
Speaking to Autosport magazine during the Bahrain Grand Prix at the Sakhir circuit, one of several new venues for Formula One since the turn of the century, Ecclestone said: "When I convinced people to build this place and all the other places, I feel a little bit responsible. I charged them too much for what we provide.
"On my watch, we didn't deliver the show that we charged people for."
He added: "Sooner or later I'm frightened that the governments behind them (the track promoters) will say enough is enough, and bye-bye."
That is pretty much what happened in Malaysia and Razali added: "We always complained that the cost was too high and every year we tried to negotiate to get more value for money.
"To come out with that kind of statement, it's frustrating and it makes us look like an idiot really."
This month saw Prime Minister Najib Razak publicly announce the end of the Malaysia Grand Prix, which has faced intense local competition from the night GP in neighbouring Singapore.
Malaysian officials said the Sepang circuit, which can accommodate 120,000 fans, drew just 45,000 to the 2016 Grand Prix, and TV ratings were also poor.
"Especially last year, the numbers were really bad," said Razali.
"Two numbers we looked at, spectators going to the track, bums on seats, and TV ratings because TV ratings affect us in terms of media exposure.
"At the end of the day, hosting Formula One is about promoting the country as a global destination and if the numbers are not there, the investment we make in Formula One is not justified...
"On my watch, we didn't deliver the show that we charged people for."
He added: "Sooner or later I'm frightened that the governments behind them (the track promoters) will say enough is enough, and bye-bye."
That is pretty much what happened in Malaysia and Razali added: "We always complained that the cost was too high and every year we tried to negotiate to get more value for money.
"To come out with that kind of statement, it's frustrating and it makes us look like an idiot really."
This month saw Prime Minister Najib Razak publicly announce the end of the Malaysia Grand Prix, which has faced intense local competition from the night GP in neighbouring Singapore.
Malaysian officials said the Sepang circuit, which can accommodate 120,000 fans, drew just 45,000 to the 2016 Grand Prix, and TV ratings were also poor.
"Especially last year, the numbers were really bad," said Razali.
"Two numbers we looked at, spectators going to the track, bums on seats, and TV ratings because TV ratings affect us in terms of media exposure.
"At the end of the day, hosting Formula One is about promoting the country as a global destination and if the numbers are not there, the investment we make in Formula One is not justified...
#555
https://tickets.formula1.com/
https://www.circuitgillesvilleneuve.ca/en
#556
you know, I thought the higher priced site I quoted was the official organizer's site but it isn't and it does list in US DOLLARS the cost being double as I stated. The CGV site comes up as $850 for me too but I can't tell if that's CDN or not. If it is, then the tickets would be $60+ dollars cheaper from the organizer CGV site. I'll call them and see.
#557
Okay, just called Circuit Gilles Villleneuve and scored my seats in the Platine Grandstand for $1445 ($1058.14 USD) CDN which is a 15% discount since I am a AAA member equalling $255.50 CDN for a grand total shipped of $1477 CDN or $1081.58!! I remember when I used to pay over $500 just to sit in the Epingle hairpin with West.
Sec. 3, Row L, seats 11-12
Sec. 3, Row L, seats 11-12
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00TL-P3.2 (05-01-2017)
#558
Has Ferrari moved ahead of Mercedes? It looked like that Mercedes had the single lap speed previously, but Ferrari used the tires better and performed better during the race. Now an all Ferrari front row? Is this the turning point of the season?
#559
Analysis: F1 Drivers Still Trying to Unlock 'Secrets' of 2017 Tyres | Motorsport.com
"Getting the tyres in and out of the window makes a difference not only for the safety car, but also in qualifying...."
#560
Pretty cool renderings of modern cars with old liveries
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/mot...ro-liveries#10
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/mot...ro-liveries#10