Rear Camber is in the Red, tires cupped

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Old 11-25-2016, 04:27 PM
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^^^ I hate to break it up for you but A-spec Suspension is no longer available for purchase. So that mean you will have to buy at a higher price and you will have to hunt for them.
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Luckily, I will not need the A-spec suspension, I'm good. I got the SPC upper control bars in the rear installed and got it re aligned. Good news! Here's the new specs: I may get some front upper control arms as well, but the mechanic said it's good and not going to cause any problems in the front. My TL-S looks back to normal now, no more deep sagging like it's slammed Oh sickest TL!

Left front Camber - 1.0 red, Right front Camber -1.6 red
left Caster 1.9 red, right Caster 1.4 red
left Toe .04 green, right Toe .06 green

Front total toe 0.10 green, Steer ahead -.01 green

Left rear - 1.0 camber green, Right rear camber -1.0 green
Toe 0.00 green, Toe 0.00 green

Rear total toe 0.00 greeen
Thrust angle 0.00

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Why isn't your front toe zeroed out.?
Old 11-25-2016, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thoiboi
Why isn't your front toe zeroed out.?
i don't know? He said I'm good with just being a little off. I can get front SPC upper control bars and make it perfect he said, but is that necessary?
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Rule of thumb is to zero out toe on our cars. My alignment guy always zeroes it out and something I've kept to heart.
Old 11-25-2016, 08:21 PM
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yea same I mean you paid for an alignment so they should align you car properly . and if you got the spc arms you should be able to get each rear camber the exact same not a half of a degree off
Old 11-25-2016, 11:06 PM
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^^^^ Huh? His rear camber is perfectly in the middle of spec: -1.0 on both sides. That's where I keep mine using the SPC arms.

x2 for getting the front toe at 0 or within 0.1 - 0.2 of zero.

not sure what the front camber/caster will do to the tires or how it might affect ride/steering. run it and see I guess....
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Old 11-26-2016, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
^^^^ Huh? His rear camber is perfectly in the middle of spec: -1.0 on both sides. That's where I keep mine using the SPC arms.

x2 for getting the front toe at 0 or within 0.1 - 0.2 of zero.

not sure what the front camber/caster will do to the tires or how it might affect ride/steering. run it and see I guess....
It runs smooth man, no noise like I had, and back to a smooth, fast ride (more careful). i guess I can wait and see if I need two front upper SPC control arms to make the front end perfect too.
Old 11-26-2016, 09:32 AM
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yea my bad I read it wrong. Your front camber is crazy though. -1.6 ? on a non lowered car with factory suspension wtf?

Im slammed and running 18x9 +25 with a 235/40 tire and my front camber is -1
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Originally Posted by Oh Sickest TL
yea my bad I read it wrong. Your front camber is crazy though. -1.6 ? on a non lowered car with factory suspension wtf?

Im slammed and running 18x9 +25 with a 235/40 tire and my front camber is -1
In between the College games today, I jumped on here (college football and college basketball , great games today!), I have the A spec suspension man, it drops 1.10 " or so, a mild drop, but it is a sport suspension with a drop. I can get the control arms to adjust the front if necessary....
Old 11-28-2016, 10:08 AM
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Your toe arms are likely shot and will need to be replaced by either the ingalls kit or oem hardware.

If I want to adjust my front end to get it near perfect like the rear, is it the ingalls kit I need for the front end?
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Originally Posted by StealthTL-S
Well, I was not proud of it, it was actually the curbing I ran up on at a high rate of speed. I'm going to another place to get the suspension looked at before I get a whole new A spec suspension.
Bearer of bad news here:

1. No more A-Spec Suspension kits are available.
2. You probably bent/damaged your upper and lower tie rods along with other suspension components. You'll need to get those replaced before you can really do anything to fix your problem. It could be as high as $1000 for all the misc parts since you said you bent all 4 rims. If the impact was hard enough to bend an alloy rim, it certainly damaged the suspension components.
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Originally Posted by csmeance
Bearer of bad news here:

1. No more A-Spec Suspension kits are available.
2. You probably bent/damaged your upper and lower tie rods along with other suspension components. You'll need to get those replaced before you can really do anything to fix your problem. It could be as high as $1000 for all the misc parts since you said you bent all 4 rims. If the impact was hard enough to bend an alloy rim, it certainly damaged the suspension components.

I hope not, car is driving much smoother now, I will see how it drives before doing anything more. At least my alignment is back in place now.
Old 11-29-2016, 11:38 AM
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but your front camber is very negative for a car thats stock and not slammed with wide or aggressive offset wheels. Again, my camber is close to -1 and I'm dropped quite a bit with 9inch wide wheels +25 offset and 235 tires. No way in hell should you be at -1.5 on stock suspension with OEM wheels.

You can get the skunk2 front camber kit but as csmance said you have other issues in the front that are causing that sagging

You should be able to see that your front tires have a tilt to them
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Originally Posted by Oh Sickest TL
but your front camber is very negative for a car thats stock and not slammed with wide or aggressive offset wheels. Again, my camber is close to -1 and I'm dropped quite a bit with 9inch wide wheels +25 offset and 235 tires. No way in hell should you be at -1.5 on stock suspension with OEM wheels.

You can get the skunk2 front camber kit but as csmance said you have other issues in the front that are causing that sagging

You should be able to see that your front tires have a tilt to them
Ok man, what are my options for the front end for the simplest, lowest cost? Ignalls Kit, can I just use uppper control arms for the front end, or you mention the skunk2. Yes, I see that is still too dropped in the front.
Old 11-29-2016, 02:44 PM
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since i dont know anything about suspensions, I thought id post my alignment pics here and see how bad it is, and what I can do to fix it? (alignment?)

car is 2007 base, on base suspension.
recently went in for a transmission flush, and Honda did a complimentary alignment diagnostic......any input guys? much appreciated!
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Your alignment does not look to far off, but I will let the more knowledgeable guys respond.

I got these from Excelerate to bring my front end A spec suspension specs back into line:

67125 - SPC Ball Joints

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Yeah you should get them to do a toe adjustment on all 4 tires. The "total toe" is a bit misleading.. one side can be +.10 and the other -.10 and it'll zero out.. Make sure they ZERO OUT ALL TOES

a little negative camber won't hurt as much as toe being off
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Old 11-29-2016, 04:01 PM
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so do I tell the shop I want an alignment or just zero out my toes? or both?

thx for the help
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Originally Posted by csmeance
Bearer of bad news here:

1. No more A-Spec Suspension kits are available.
2. You probably bent/damaged your upper and lower tie rods along with other suspension components. You'll need to get those replaced before you can really do anything to fix your problem. It could be as high as $1000 for all the misc parts since you said you bent all 4 rims. If the impact was hard enough to bend an alloy rim, it certainly damaged the suspension components.
I'm going friday to have a guy I know that works on Honda/Acura at his shop lift it and inspect the suspension for damage/issues.
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I had my car lifted at the shop and the owner inspected my suspension thoroughly. It's good to go, not bent! As far as the front end if I want to to have him install the front end camber kit (SPC ball joints) it's optional. Probably get that done next week so my front and rear suspension will be adjustable. Thanks for all the help.
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Hey guys im going to the shop tom to get my brakes rotors swapped, brake fluid drain and refill.........just wanted to know if I need to them to zero out my toes AND do an alignment? Or will zero outing the toes achieve an alignment (same thing?)

Thanks
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Doing an alignment = adjusting your toe. Just gotta clarify them to actually zero it out as opposed to just put it in the green like some lazy shops do.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:39 PM
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Got my Camber Kit on the front end and Camber Kit on rear (Both SPC camber kits from Excelerate Vendor)
Aligned again, A spec suspension back in good shape now.........attached Alignment :
Attached Thumbnails Rear Camber is in the Red, tires cupped-img_0379-1.jpg  
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Wow back toe was bad. Your camber wasn't really too bad. -1.2 is well within spec .
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