Ferrari: F2012 news
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OK, the new FIA regulations about the nose dropping a certain amount over a prescribed distance is giving us an ugly looking car (Ferrari's version anyways)
I can't see your pics at work... but I just saw this site this morning:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/030220...12-f1-car.html
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/030220...12-f1-car.html
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FWIW The back end of the 2012 Ferrari has a pullrod suspension like the Red Bulls of the past few years. Not sure what McLaren is doing but the pullrods allow a more slender rear end since the bellcrank actuators are down low, versus up high of the pushrod type. The disadvantage is there is much less compression force control but that's not a big problem in F1 since the cars operate with some amount of downfoce at race speeds even Monaco.
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What's up with the "bump" or "step" mid-nose between the front tires?
Seems like Ferrari, Caterham and Force India have it (to some extent), but McLaren doesn't. Did McLaren not get the memo?
Seems like Ferrari, Caterham and Force India have it (to some extent), but McLaren doesn't. Did McLaren not get the memo?
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"The shape of the nose is mainly determined by new aerodynamic regulations which state that any car part ahead of the front wheels must not be higher than 55cm above the reference plane. With the front bulkhead designed to be as high as possible above the ground for better undercar airflow, a step-up in the nose was one of the most striking features at the launch, and likely also one of the most disliked."
http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/985/ferrari-f2012
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Go to McLaren site and take a second look-they have the same nose treatment. They all do, it's mandatory.
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Yes, I believe that is Fiorano
FWIW The back end of the 2012 Ferrari has a pullrod suspension like the Red Bulls of the past few years. Not sure what McLaren is doing but the pullrods allow a more slender rear end since the bellcrank actuators are down low, versus up high of the pushrod type. The disadvantage is there is much less compression force control but that's not a big problem in F1 since the cars operate with some amount of downfoce at race speeds even Monaco.
FWIW The back end of the 2012 Ferrari has a pullrod suspension like the Red Bulls of the past few years. Not sure what McLaren is doing but the pullrods allow a more slender rear end since the bellcrank actuators are down low, versus up high of the pushrod type. The disadvantage is there is much less compression force control but that's not a big problem in F1 since the cars operate with some amount of downfoce at race speeds even Monaco.
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Thx , I'm such a geek
Some more F2012 stuff, I forgot to mention that pullrods are more slender than pushrods which helps aerodynamics some since they are under tension vs compression. Tension loads for a given piece of metal or composite are far higher than their compression.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/02/0...key-explained/
I've got a feeling Ferrari are going to do much better this year, just a gut feeling. The loss of Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne in 2005 had a large impact to the team. Even thought they won 2007, the follow-on designer (then technical director) Aldo Costa never quite lived up to the tremendous legacy of Brawn/Bryne. According to Wiki he left Ferrari last year mid season and is now at Mercedes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Costa
, I'm such a geek Some more F2012 stuff, I forgot to mention that pullrods are more slender than pushrods which helps aerodynamics some since they are under tension vs compression. Tension loads for a given piece of metal or composite are far higher than their compression.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/02/0...key-explained/
I've got a feeling Ferrari are going to do much better this year, just a gut feeling. The loss of Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne in 2005 had a large impact to the team. Even thought they won 2007, the follow-on designer (then technical director) Aldo Costa never quite lived up to the tremendous legacy of Brawn/Bryne. According to Wiki he left Ferrari last year mid season and is now at Mercedes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Costa
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http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/75...inting-Results
Not looking good.
Ferrari could start this year's Championship on the back foot after technical director Pat Fry admitted they may struggle to fight for a podium finish.
The Italian stable has had a difficult time in testing, so much so that they reportedly gagged their drivers on Saturday evening - the penultimate day of testing - to prevent them from voicing any negative opinions.
However, that hasn't stopped Fry from conceding that pre-season testing, which ended on Sunday with a P2 for Fernando Alonso, did not go according to plan.
"In the hunt for the podium in Melbourne? At the moment I'd say no," he told Ferrari's website.
"We are disappointed with the performance level seen at these tests and I think we have a lot of work ahead of us."
The technical director revealed that Ferrari's decision to alter their exhaust layout during the first outing at the Circuit de Catalunya had not helped their cause.
"Clearly the decision relating to the exhausts that we took last week meant we took a few steps backwards in terms of development. How much? Difficult to say right now.
"In testing, you can only make assumptions regarding what fuel loads the other cars are running and it will only be in Melbourne that we will get a clear answer as to whether we have to be very disappointed or just a little, how far we really are off the front runners and consequently how much ground we have to make up to get there."
Highlighting at least one other issue that Ferrari currently have with their F2012, Fry said: "We must improve in general the level of aerodynamic downforce on the car, but we are well aware that the pace of development is more or less the same for everyone.
"We will have a few updates for Melbourne, basically aimed at readapting the car to the exhaust configuration we have chosen to run for at least the first four races of the season."
The Italian stable has had a difficult time in testing, so much so that they reportedly gagged their drivers on Saturday evening - the penultimate day of testing - to prevent them from voicing any negative opinions.
However, that hasn't stopped Fry from conceding that pre-season testing, which ended on Sunday with a P2 for Fernando Alonso, did not go according to plan.
"In the hunt for the podium in Melbourne? At the moment I'd say no," he told Ferrari's website.
"We are disappointed with the performance level seen at these tests and I think we have a lot of work ahead of us."
The technical director revealed that Ferrari's decision to alter their exhaust layout during the first outing at the Circuit de Catalunya had not helped their cause.
"Clearly the decision relating to the exhausts that we took last week meant we took a few steps backwards in terms of development. How much? Difficult to say right now.
"In testing, you can only make assumptions regarding what fuel loads the other cars are running and it will only be in Melbourne that we will get a clear answer as to whether we have to be very disappointed or just a little, how far we really are off the front runners and consequently how much ground we have to make up to get there."
Highlighting at least one other issue that Ferrari currently have with their F2012, Fry said: "We must improve in general the level of aerodynamic downforce on the car, but we are well aware that the pace of development is more or less the same for everyone.
"We will have a few updates for Melbourne, basically aimed at readapting the car to the exhaust configuration we have chosen to run for at least the first four races of the season."
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^ in the old days I would agree but with the highly restrictive testing schedule these days I think the F2012 has problems. Maybe just setup issues or very sensitive to adjustments, hard to say but Pat Fry is probably losing some sleep.
I think McLaren are going to give Red Bull a good run this year.
I think McLaren are going to give Red Bull a good run this year.
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Montezemolo expects answers at Ferrari
http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsp...ory/72328.html
If the F2012 is slow, I expect Pat Fry to gone soon. I suspect Ferrari has been trying to recruit back designer Rory Bryne out of retirement (he designed for Ferrari under Ross Brawn for over a decade ending in 2009).
If the F2012 is slow, I expect Pat Fry to gone soon. I suspect Ferrari has been trying to recruit back designer Rory Bryne out of retirement (he designed for Ferrari under Ross Brawn for over a decade ending in 2009).
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^ in the old days I would agree but with the highly restrictive testing schedule these days I think the F2012 has problems. Maybe just setup issues or very sensitive to adjustments, hard to say but Pat Fry is probably losing some sleep.
I think McLaren are going to give Red Bull a good run this year.
I think McLaren are going to give Red Bull a good run this year.
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