Misc-ura

I am contemplating running a custom F/I set up, like buying the parts little by little then getting custom brackets and piping done at a shop. Does anyone know what is a safe amount of boost for the j35? I am thinking about a vortech v9 supecharger as we do not have too much space in our engine bay or if the price is right a turbo(maybe a bisimoto set up since I am relatively close to his shop). Should I upgrade injectors? I read the stock ones are good until 400hp just like the rdx ones but I might be mistaken. Ive seen some auto tl-s guys running upwards of 350whp but whenever I ask them about the transmission I am left hanging so if anyone knows how robust our 5 speed auto is that would help. I know I will need a fuel pump(which one I do not know). Also I know the tl guys have trouble fitting intercoolers and I think us tsx guys have less room to work with but if anyone knows if we can fit one please let me know. I hope to spend 5-8k installed do you guys think I am too optimistic? A lot of mustang guys put custom kits together for 2-3.5k then get the custom fab work and install done.This is going to be a long project I just want to figure out if it is possible or if I should just start saving for a purdy set of wheels instead. After reading ab the ct engineering threads I have been dismayed by their poor performance through the rev range and poor efficiency when paired with a high boost pulley which is why I am thinking about a custom kit rather then altering the kit from the 3.2 TL.
I know there is alot of questions and I have searched the forums but have found no real straight answers for my model although the 3g tl threads have been a great help to learn the basics of the j series.

Misc-ura

meant to put this in performance parts sorry guys

justnspace

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ummm, what the heck is wrong with you.
ive been saying this for like 50 million years.

everything you want to do the 3rd gen TL has already done it.


THERE IS A COMPLETE TURBO KIT ON THE BLACK MARKET for around $4k and some change.

the company is J&R.
we have about 3 J&R turbo'd TL's

your tranny is fine, and should hold up to 400hp.
Lilbert found the limitation in the tranny at upwards of 500hp.

when you go custom; I can foresee that you're going to have a hard time.
why not get a kit that was BUILT for the j35!?


and this is gonna go back to the I hate cars post, superchargers are a waste. it takes 40hp to run the supercharger.
and you're limited to about 350hp.

ed_423

don't make the crab man angry.

odus

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i just had sex

opboarding

with your tsx?

iSeeYouTwo

I was thinking Ed's mom

Misc-ura

Hmm knowing the tranny limitations is awesome! thank you! I have to ask of course is this with babying the tranny like no drag racing and only off a roll or can she handle the power off a dig?
Also if the turbo kit is turn key and bolt on for my chassis I do not mind using that as my F/I but if it requires custom fab work anyway I would prefer a supercharger just because I am a huge fan of the whine.

justnspace

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the J&R Turbo kit is specifically designed for the J32/J35.
you do need mechanical aptitude in order to install the kit, so if you're not handy, its best for a shop to tackle it.

again, this kit is MADE FOR THE J32/J35 motor.


AGAIN, THIS KIT IS SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR THIS MOTOR.


Its in the black market for $4800.
you will need the J&R ECU in order to tune.



and while we're on it, you will need the J&R ECU in order to tune the supercharger, if you decide to go that route.

justnspace

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Libert has videos on youtube at the track with his auto Turbo TL.

ceb

Since you seem he'll bent on ruining your car with your attempts at checking how waterproof your car is and the follow-on questions, why don't you just drive your car into a tree?

Your turbo/supercharge attempt will end badly. I see that in my crystal ball.

KillerG

save your money and buy a better car.

throwing all this money into a fwd entry lux highway cruiser that old asian women drive seems like a bit of a waste.

justnspace

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every one has different goals.
if he does turbo charge, he'll be hanging with exotics on the freeways.


from a dig, fuhgeddaboutit

PyroDave

just saying, J&R ECU Tune wouldn't work for second gen TSX despite same engine, would it

this is why we cant have nice things

justnspace

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its the same engine, all Rodney would need to do is make a harness specific to the TSX ECU pinout.
but at this time, Rodney is overwhelmed with projects.

i still havent received my ecu

Misc-ura

+1
the fun of tuning is making something people wouldn't expect to be fast a bona fide barn burner. I am going to look into the turbo kit but after reading the threads I am looking at about 7-8k installed not including tuning. That seems like a lot to be honest Cams & Ecu which should put me at 320whp conservatively would be less than 4k tuned and installed so its iffy for me since the other 4k could be used for rims and/or a bbk. Its a hard decision since with great power comes great responsibility! if I get a turbo I need wider wheels to hope to cope with power(3g guys are still having traction issues through 3rd wot) and a bbk to stop after reaching absurd speed haha. I have big dreams for my car but it seems that I am going to need upgraded rims and brakes no matter what route I choose(turbo/sc/allmotor) so I think I am doing that first! Also this gives the 3g guys time to workout the kinks with the lag and ecu that I've been reading about. Thanks for the help Justnspace its appreciated.

justnspace

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A BBK isnt used to stop any quicker.

the auto TL's with the 2pot calipers actually stop shorter than the brembo counterparts.

actually, i take that back.
I hate cars has put a stoptech BBK on, I'm not sure if it helped stop quicker or not

ceb

ABBK helps on the track with super heated brakes. For DD use, a BBK is a total waste of money regardless of the "crazy speeds."

I agree with killerg - the OP has a nice car and he can't turn it into something it wasn't meant to be. He can drop 7-8k into the car and have an undriveable POS. FWD and all that HP don't work well together.

justnspace

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correct, BBK helps brake fade.

it wont be undrivable ceb.

we have at least 3 streetable turbo TL's pushing 400-500hp.
all three are streetable.
thats the beauty of the turbo!

at 2k rpm you have enough go for daily driving.
at anything above 4k, ZOOM!

as long as Misc doesnt punch it off the line, he'll be fine.

justnspace

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Going all motor, with cams, higher compression, etc is where you get unstreetable.

ceb

Ahh, but it seems that he wants to punch it off the line. Lots of HP is immaterial if you don't use it and the problem with FWD is laying down the power.

Misc-ura

Wait wait back to the bbk thing I am little confused... so upgrading from a stock 11.9 inch rotor 2 piston caliper set to a 12.9 inch rotor 4 piston set wont make my 60-0 distance shorter... something doesnt add up please explain how this works.
Also if I do go turbo I would like to take it to the strip but that doesnt mean I will, I am no fool I know that off a dig the tranny would be under way too much stress if im pushing nearly 200whp over stock...
if an evo gsr tranny which can hold 600whp reliably off a roll blows up at the strip I do not think a 5 speed slush box not designed for tuners can handle all that power from a dig either.

bpr0422

a bbk just increases the surface area, thus reducing brake fade.

also most bbk's come with nice floating discs, and are of stronger more heat resistant material, so it helps in brake fade and lets you do more stops more consistently



this is from 2009 http://www.superstreetonline.com/tec...e/viewall.html

Misc-ura

So according to car and driver the 3g tl stopping distance are as follows:
6 speed 3.2 70-0 189ft
A Spec 70-0 174ft
Type S 70-0 163ft
I dont know if the Type S has better tires than the A spec but it does have bigger brakes. so this difference in distance is solely attributed to tires? just for fun tsx v6 70-0 188ft *sad face*

ceb

Brakes can make a difference but BBKs are made for track use. Tires will make a noticeable difference in braking and roadholding.

The stock tires are "grand touring" tires and are biased towards comfort and long life. It is a very competent handler but not designed for sporting drivers.

justnspace

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Just got these yesterday:



Get your summers on!
tires make a big impact on stopping distance!

justnspace

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to replace these:



Nitto NT05


the new set is the Dunlop Direzza Star specs.


both in 255/40/17 configuration


Wide sticky tire+thicker RSB = sex!

Misc-ura

oh man those tires look like sex, I am just waiting for my stockers to die then im probably getting some toyos not sure which ones yet though I'll research that when I cross that path

PyroDave

nice emblem on your grill bro

justnspace

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or lack thereof