new C/D test TSX 0-60 at 6.7s

Old 05-29-2008, 07:59 PM
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new C/D test TSX 0-60 at 6.7s

Anyone get the new issue? Here's a discussion over at TOV. Sounds pretty good!

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=764467
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Nice. Although Jeff sounds skeptical.
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what is c/d?
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html

says 7.3 secs there
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I could hardly believe the 6.7 sec. to 60 time. I just got the new C/D issue today and I think that this should be more accurate since this is a full test rather than just a first drive. The car they tested was also a 6-speed.
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Originally Posted by Tapwave
That's from the initial drive and the time was estimated. The one from the newest issue was from a full test, with some miles already on the car.
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NGSGTI- could you possibly scan the article? Don't have access to that issue yet.
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Personally, I like Road and Track for acceleration figures since they make no correction based on temp and elevation like Car and Driver and MotorTrend. Their times may be somewhat slower but its a fair, real world example of what the car can do.

C&D last tested a TSX in 06 and got a 7.2 or 7.3. So these times are good news for 09 owners.
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6.7 seconds? i'll give $5 to anyone who can do that with their stock 2009 TSX, and prove it on camera.
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Originally Posted by NJSGTI
I could hardly believe the 6.7 sec. to 60 time. I just got the new C/D issue today and I think that this should be more accurate since this is a full test rather than just a first drive. The car they tested was also a 6-speed.
maybe that 6.7sec run was on a broken in motor?
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Originally Posted by frescagod
6.7 seconds? i'll give $5 to anyone who can do that with their stock 2009 TSX, and prove it on camera.
I'd give it a shot at the local track here, but it's 6000ft above sea level. lol
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Originally Posted by godfather2
maybe that 6.7sec run was on a broken in motor?
so you think that "breaking in" a motor will shave more than half a second off of the 0-60 time? come on....
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^ nope, but it might explain a bit of a difference
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Originally Posted by godfather2
maybe that 6.7sec run was on a broken in motor?
The article does say that the test vehicles mileage was 2,185.
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Here is the article.









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My thoughts about this car have always echoed what Michael Austin has to say.
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IMO, 0-60mph in 6.7s, 1/4mile in 15.3@93mph are about right. Remember the dyno test by TOV on a new, non-broken in TSX? It got 180whp and 162wtq. This one in C&D is broken in, and it's not surprising if it gets 185-190whp, 165-170wtq. The 2nd gen TL-S 5AT has about 190-200whp, 180wtq, and is about 100lbs heavier than this TSX, it also has 1 less gear, and the gear ratios are much taller. Yet, the 2nd gen TL-S is capable of 0-60mph in 6.2s, and 1/4mile in 14.8s@96mph. So really, I don't think the numbers from C&D are that hard to believe.
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C&D always, ALWAYS reports better 0-60 times than other testers. They abuse their cars in the interests of achieving the fastest time. I'm not holding it against them, but I don't drive that way.
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I loved the review. Especially the Lows: Baby, what happened to your face?
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Originally Posted by dom
My thoughts about this car have always echoed what Michael Austin has to say.
+1
- the Aura comment.
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Well, I don't see the Aura in the TSX but he's hardly the first person to mention it.
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Originally Posted by dom
Well, I don't see the Aura in the TSX but he's hardly the first person to mention it.
I don't see it either, but I think he might be referring to just the big metal part of the grille. Other than that, I see no Aura at all in the design.
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If anything, the honda civic's grill is a closer match to the aura than the TSX's
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Very good summations from the lead writer, and Austin. It's a great value, Fun with a capital F, and has a nice list of standards. But there are things they *didn't* include that someone out there is looking for. In all, aside from "the face," sounds like the '09 is carrying the TSX torch without stumbling.
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Originally Posted by Iceman
C&D always, ALWAYS reports better 0-60 times than other testers. They abuse their cars in the interests of achieving the fastest time. I'm not holding it against them, but I don't drive that way.
lol, not always, just usually. Seen the new comparison with the GT-R? 12.1s@115mph, that's what they got. Most magazines got 11.5-11.8s@~120mph.

Also the RDX, R&T or MT got 0-60mph in 6.2s, and 1/4mile in 14.8s, which are faster than what C&D got.
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lol, not always, just usually. Seen the new comparison with the GT-R? 12.1s@115mph, that's what they got. Most magazines got 11.5-11.8s@~120mph.

Also the RDX, R&T or MT got 0-60mph in 6.2s, and 1/4mile in 14.8s, which are faster than what C&D got.
In this same C/D issue there is a comparison test between the M3, GT-R, and 911 Turbo. The cheapest of the cars with the lowest 0-60 came out on top and the $135,000 911 came in last. I guess money doesnt really buy the best all around car. C/D also listed the GT-R 0-60 time as 3.6 when I previously saw 3.3 somewhere.
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From the article


"The Lows: Baby, what happened to your face?"



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Originally Posted by frescagod
so you think that "breaking in" a motor will shave more than half a second off of the 0-60 time? come on....
you dont know much about 2.4 then
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Originally Posted by NJSGTI
In this same C/D issue there is a comparison test between the M3, GT-R, and 911 Turbo. The cheapest of the cars with the lowest 0-60 came out on top and the $135,000 911 came in last. I guess money doesnt really buy the best all around car. C/D also listed the GT-R 0-60 time as 3.6 when I previously saw 3.3 somewhere.
Yea, exactly, so I don't really thinking C/D always posts the fastest times.
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- the Aura comment.


I agree with the editors : 09 TSX looks like the saturn aura.
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how can you say the tsx looks like the aura?? I just don't see it..

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I was at the dealer yesterday servicing my 05 TL. I sat in the new TSX, unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test drive. I have to say the car is pretty handsome. It definitely looks better in person. The interior is head and shoulders better than the previous generation. At my dealership, they usually loan out TSXs. Even though the 1gen was peppy, I thought the interior was a little down market (for a near lux car). The new TSX definitely steps up the game.
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that's very good acceleration 0-60 for an I4 201hp car for the 6MT, but how about numbers for the AT?
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^ take 1 second off (very very conservative) for 0-60 and 1/4 mile and I think it's still acceptable. In reality, it should be roughly 0.5s slower for both runs.
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Originally Posted by deandorsey
you dont know much about 2.4 then
okay, where is your proof then?
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Not sure what he means by "you don't know much about 2.4 then," but typically, many cars tend to perform better after a certain period, and Honda is no exception. You can go to TOV and ask Jeff or Shawn to confirm about this.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
Not sure what he means by "you don't know much about 2.4 then," but typically, many cars tend to perform better after a certain period, and Honda is no exception. You can go to TOV and ask Jeff or Shawn to confirm about this.
i will give you that, but 0.5 sec faster for the 0-60 better? i just want to see the proof. half a second sounds like nothing but it's quite a lot for just "break in."
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hmmm interesting. i wanna start seeing companies tuning it. comptech and hondata get on that reflash and supercharger or someone else with a turbo.
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Originally Posted by frescagod
i will give you that, but 0.5 sec faster for the 0-60 better? i just want to see the proof. half a second sounds like nothing but it's quite a lot for just "break in."
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure what you mean by proof? C/D already posted a 6.7s time for a TSX with over 2000 miles, while road and track got 7.5s for a new TSX. Also keep in mind C/D adjusts the results with correction factors, while R&T does not. I'd imagine the tires are also part of the reason, they have broken in as well. For any car, FWD especially, having a good launch is important and that alone could shave a few tenths.
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Originally Posted by iforyou
I see what you mean, but I'm not sure what you mean by proof? C/D already posted a 6.7s time for a TSX with over 2000 miles, while road and track got 7.5s for a new TSX. Also keep in mind C/D adjusts the results with correction factors, while R&T does not. I'd imagine the tires are also part of the reason, they have broken in as well. For any car, FWD especially, having a good launch is important and that alone could shave a few tenths.

I don't think R&T has officially tested it yet. That may have been an estimate from their first drive review.

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