boki_cu2

need pics

djhtsx

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i posted pictures in my thread. the lights are genuine Honda parts.

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tsx-photograph-gallery-144/project-pallidum-sliver-896944/

kape

Here are a few pictures of mine:

kape

As djhtsx posted on his thread, some modifications have to be made. I don't want to cut any wires whatsoever, so I've decided to buy some sockets, connectors, and pins, and make adapters. I will make adapters from 04321-SM4-409 (3P 090F) to 04321-SM4-405 (2P 250F) for the turn signal, 04321-SH2-305 (4P 090F) to ? for brakes, and I'll make two Y splitters 04321-SJD-305 (2P 090F) to connect the license plate lights and inner tail light LEDs. I found most of the connectors and sockets and will order them. Will let you know how they come along.

Alternatively, you could always buy the connectors that match the LED tail lights, remove the connectors from the wire harness, and use the new ones. However, I want to make sure I can easily revert back to the OEM tail lights if I want to.

If I had more time I'd design and 3D-print adapters so there's no wires in between the connectors at all. I'm actually surprised they don't make these.

BattleofXs

if you come up with a shopping list I'd be most grateful, I don't have a lot of time to do all this :\

djhtsx

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The only connectors you need are for the outer lights... the rest are "plug in play"
i believe i have some extra turn signal connectors... ill have to double check.

BattleofXs

i'd gladly paypal you some dough for your time/effort on that if you do have the parts

I am not afraid to repin connectors or solder as I do that weekly at work, but when it is on my car, I'd rather not paint myself in a corner, and have the connectors and allow for it to return to stock easily as you had suggested

kape

It's -24C (-11F) in Toronto so needless to say, I have not been able to install my lights. However, this gave me plenty of time to look for connectors and this is what I've found:

All connector are manufactured by Sumitomo Wiring Systems and are as follows:

For the turn signals:

Need to convert from 3P 090M to 2P 250F. This requires 2 X 2P 250F (04321-SM4-405) and 2 X 3P 090M (04321-S2A-305) connectors.

For the break lights:

Need to convert from 4P 090M to 3P 090F. This requires 2 X 3P 090F (04321-SM4-409) and 2 X 4P 090M (98532-00004-00)

For the license to inner LEDs Y Splitter:

Need to split the 2P 090F so there are two pairs for each license light and inner LEDs. This requires 2 X 2P 090M (04321-ST5-305) and 4 X 2P 090F (04321-SJD-305)

In all cases, appropriate terminals are also required, and of course, the crimping tool.

The connectors and terminals will be around $50 because most come in packs of 5. However, what I don't like is that you can't buy the terminals by themselves. They sell terminals with pigtails, i.e. the metal piece with a wire already connected to it. Which means I'd have to use the pigtail and terminal connectors meaning there will be wires coming out of each connector joint together in the middle. I rather have no breaks in the wire at all. Maybe I'm too picky.

One alternative is to design 3D models of these adapters and have them printed, probably for less than $50, whith no wires between connectors, nothing to crimp, etc. But it'll take time to create those 3D models.

BattleofXs

will this allow you to go back and forth between the Spirior and TSX connections?

optimusaccord

Looks really nice....

kape

That's the plan. Instead of connecting the wire harness directly to each light socket, where needed, you'd connect it to one end of the "adapter" and the other end of the "adapter" to the light. If you switch the lights back to OEM, all you have to do is remove the "adapter"

BTW, I just found a site in the US that can ship every single part, and they ship as little as 1 as opposed to buying 5 at a time. I'm inquiring to see if they ship to Canada. Will let you know.

BattleofXs

thanks, if you have to buy multiple connectors, count me in and that could offset the cost for both of us. especially if it is cheaper to ship within the US and have me send a less bulky/expensive package to cananada

kape

This is the parts list:

2 X 6070-2481
4 X 1500-0080
2 X 6098-0242
14 X 8230-4282
2 X 6098-4071
6 X 8100-1472
2 X 6098-0244
2 X 6098-0240
4 X 6098-0239
8 X 8240-4422

All are manufactured by sumitomo

I found this website in the US that sells them but didn't get a reply when I e-mailed them.

BattleofXs

want me to give them a call this week? or did they only provide an email contact?

kape

They have a phone number on their contact page. If you have time to call, by all means, please do. You can order twice as many parts and keep half and ship me the other half.

djhtsx

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Remember there are only 3 connects that you need to swap. the other connectors are plug in play.

kape

Thanks. There's only 4 connectors all together, right? The only one that's plug and play is the reverse/fog light. All others are either different or need splitters.

BattleofXs

these are the ones we are making the adapter for so we don't have to splice into the harness correct?

kape

Yes, precisely. The parts list is so long because for each adapter we need two connectors, a male and a female, one to connect to the original harness, and one to connect to the LED lights. And for each connector we need terminals, the little metal pins.

BattleofXs

I bet I could order it through my work since it is just electrical connectors...save us all some $$

kape

By all means. All the parts are no more than $1 so it's the shipping that'll be the bulk of the cost. Let me know what you can do.

BattleofXs

I called them and left a message, Is that shopping list what each of us need?

BattleofXs

when they call me back, I will just read them off the list and see what pricing I can get, is there anyone else besides kape in need of this?

kape

Yes, that's for one set of adapters. It doesn't include wires and there are no spares.

djhtsx

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You don't need the male connectors... Those are already on the light.

BattleofXs

I was wondering that myself

kape does the list need to be updated?

AccordinglyJDM

Thanks for all the great information everyone. I am following this closely and will buy a set when I have some extra cash! The connectors worry me a little as I have never done anything like that.
I knew it would only be a matter of time till nice LED tails came out for the TSX. TL's make me jealous with their's... haha

kape

No, the list is correct. We DO need male connectors. Unlike djhtsx we do not plan to cut the original connector off and use the new connector. We therefore need the male connector to plug into the harness.

For example, for the turn signal, we need this connector to plug the harness in:


Then we connect the connector above with wires with this connector:


Finally, the connector above gets connected to the LED tail lights. We can't remove the original male connector from the original tail lights to use here because while the harness plugs into it, the other side has a bulb, not wires.

I hope this explains why we need the male connectors - to plug the OEM harness into them.

BattleofXs

makes perfect sense to me!

I called the company again and left a message, but they seem pretty difficult to reach.

I will be trying this company today: http://sumitomoconnector.com/

kape

I tried them too, by email, and no answer from them either. It's proving to be quite difficult to get these damn connectors. I found one site that only sells in orders of 4000 for each connector and 15000 for each terminal. If there were only that many TSX owners that wanted to install LED tail lights without cutting any wires...

BattleofXs

I called that other company yesterday and reached a human, he asked me to email him the parts list, so I hope to hear back from him soon.

kape

I've e-mailed tens of distributors so far and the ones that got back to me only sell in minimum quantities of 100. If we can't find these connectors any time soon, I think we'll have to go through Honda/Acura and buy them from there. Last I checked, they sold packages of 5, for connectors, and packages of 25, for terminals. But, insltead of the average cost of $0.20/connector, at Honda it's $10 for 5, so it comes up to $2/connector. I think I estimated about $50 for all parts, but if we split the cost it's not that bad.

BattleofXs

that's not bad at all, I have emailed 3 distributors, I guess they can't be bothered with small orders like ours :\

BattleofXs

well damn:

"We are able to get all of the parts but not in the quantities you desire. Many of the parts come in 200 - 1000 piece requirements such as the housings or several thousand piece requirements such as the terminals. It is also possible to piece together the pieces in the quantities you need through several different locations but the result is that the cost will be quite high due to shipping from many destinations and the time to get the parts together. Is this a project you can allocate several hundred dollars in low qty or several thousand pieces in standard quantities for?"


so looks like we gotta go through Honda/Acura

d3nver

where is it yet possible to buy such headlights?

robpp

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they are tail lights.
these guys bought them from ebay AUSTRALIA.

d3nver

and what price?

BattleofXs

around $700 or so


kape, any updates?

d3nver

someone knows how to be contacted by the seller mail?

kape

Sorry BattleofXs, I've been busy at work and home. I have to go through several wiring harness diagrams for each connector until I actually find the Honda/Acura part number for the sumitomo parts we need.