2002Dawg

It's still a "rumor", but my guess is that we'll see a V6 SH-AWD TSX with 5AT and 6MT (dunno if both will be 2010 cars or not, but I hope so). I'm assuming the 6MT would be the same one built for the TL. It got rave reviews from those who attended the 2010 TL 6MT test event.

Here's a TOV post with underbody pics of the TSX. You can see that a rear diff and drive shafts could easily fit.
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...item_id=796361

6SpeedTA95

Guys I'm a big TSX fan, talked my mother in law into picking up an 08 last year...actually I talked her into the drive the car talked her into buying it

I'm currently saving for my next car and theres four cars that are in direct competition

328i
TSX
G35
2010+ Mazda3 hatchback

All of course with manual transmissions...

But I guess the point of my post is to say that I do not think the TSX needs a V6. It needs either a turbo 4 (which is what I had hoped for) or simply a more powerful 4 cylinder. A TSX type S with 220 to 225hp would be perfect. Remember a similar motor made 240 horsepower about 8 years ago in the S2000. So squeezing more power especially with modern technology out of this 2.4 is not a big problem.

I wouldn't be surprised if in 2011 we see a power boost to 215 or so hp.

If they do a V6 I hope they keep it 3.0L or so. Too big will add even more front weight to an already off balance car.

shubysingh

sh-awd+more power from a v6+a car that is as light as the tsx+6mt=good competitor to a 3 series, we all saw what the 6mt sh-awd TL did to the 3 series
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=2

what would a smaller, more nimble tsx do to a 3 series?

6SpeedTA95

The TSX isn't more nimble than the 3 series if you get a 3 series with a sport package. The 3 series is much more balanced and on the autocross course or the full fledged race track its much more tactile and controllable, this is especially true on a race track as opposed to autoX.

kharateez

the tsx is an amazing car and i love it but what i dont understand is why acura is pushing it so far. i mean its an entry level car and is a physically big car. now with a v6 its gonna be very close in size and price to the tl. they need to keep their models a little more exclusive

Ikko

Would you really want an engine that you have to rev to 6-9k, to extract said HP, in a car that's meant to be 'entry luxury'?

CiViCKiDD

^^ if the TSX did NOT have this very characteristic I would not have bought it. The 1st gen is a sporty entry-level luxury car. I know with the 2nd gen's they're trying to get away from the sporty side and more towards the luxury side, so maybe a v6 would make sense, but people like myself (probably the minority) wouldn't go for it.

Plus I'm a cheapass lol and will always buy 4 cylinders (turbo or not).

ESHBG

Are you referring to long-term costs or right out of the gate costs (or maybe both)? The reason why I am asking is because MPG on a 4 cyl like the TSX's is not that great at all and if they dropped a V6 in there, I really don't see there being that much of a difference.

I've always been a 4 cyl guy but after having an '08 TL loaner for a week, there's something to be said for the buttery smoothness of Honda's V6s.

dom

The TL's 3.5 and 3.7 actually weighs less than the 3.0 litre that was in the last generation Honda Accord. The engine's share blocks so are physically the same size. The larger displacement versions are lighter due to being bored out and using lighter weight materials in the head.

I'm probably one of the few that always thought the TSX's low end tourque was adequate. I always thought it lacked top end power. I love high reving engines so I'd also love to see a 240HP, 180lb-ft high strung 2.4. But I doubt we'll ever see it.

2002Dawg

The current TSX is basically the same size and about 150 lbs. lighter than the 3G TL. Acura moved the 2009 TL to the RL's size, and most insiders are speculating a much larger RL for 2010.

The TSX is the only model without an SH-AWD option, and I don't expect that to last too long. It is also the only model with less than 200 ft/lbs of torque. Since SH-AWD would be minimally effective when paired with the existing I4, it's only logical that Acura would sell it with a V6.

Frankly, the 2.3T in the RDX is Acura's least-refined engine. While it serves its purpose in the RDX, it's not tuned for a sports car like the TSX. The V6 is a better option, especially given the cost invested in 2010 TL's 6MT. This transmission and the 5AT in the TL would be great in the TSX mated to a J32 or J35.

I wish we could see the S2000's engine in the TSX somehow, but there are technical and marketing reasons why that'd never happen. The V6 is a much easier decision to make and a much easier car to sell.

visuelz

I'd much rather have a V6 than a diesel. Look at NYC during weekdays and compare it to weekends. During the weekday, there are lot of trucks and they run on diesels and there's a lot of traffic. During the weekend, there are no trucks and there's no traffic. It's the slow start from the diesel that makes us stuck in traffic. =[

spurfan15

1. Yes trucks heavily contribute to traffic, but this is because of their size and enormous load. There is no way they can possibly accelerate quickly. The diesel is not a fault.
2. Try sticking a gasoline engine in a semi truck to pull loads of that size -- that would be hilarious.
3. The vast number of passenger vehicles on the road during weekdays are a huge contributor to traffic problems.
4. Diesels are better at off the line acceleration, because of their high low end torque. Gas engines beat them at the higher revving acceleration.

Honda Accord Euro:
2.4L i-VTEC
Power: 198 HP
Torque: 173 lb-ft
CO2: 209 g/km
Fuel economy (city/highway/combined): 19.7/33.6/26.7 MPG (us)
Acceleration (0-62 mph): 8s

2.2L i-DTEC
Power: 148 HP
Torque: 258 lb-ft
CO2: 150 g/km
Fuel economy: (city/highway/combined): 32.2/49.0/41.4 MPG (us)
Acceleration (0-62 mph): 9.9s

The Accord Diesel is just under a few seconds slower from 0-62, but the off the line acceleration is good with 258 lb-ft torque, and this is an acceptable 0-62 number. Look at the fuel economy: the diesel has the 2.4L VTEC beaten by over 55% on combined average. I'll take that tradeoff.

From channel4 UK:

6SpeedTA95

9k is a bit much but 7500 to 8k ? Not so much thats a big selling point on the car anyways, enthusiasts like me would prefer a high revving 4 IF we're going to have to deal with the negatives that go along with a 4. Midaswell make it fun as hell which is exactly what Acura has done. Another 20 horsepower and 500 or so RPM would go a long ways for the current car. Why mess with the recipe and further disrupt the already poor f/r balance of the car? You'd have to rework the suspension and other components to get a V6 under the hood and maintain its good turn in and responses.

6SpeedTA95

Yeah I'm aware of the different weight blocks but if Acura wants to put a V6 in this car it needs to be V6 developed for this car. A 3.5 would be sweet from a power perspective...but probably wouldn'tw ork well in the lineup...I'd rather have a more powerful 4 cyl.

JoeC1982

iTrader: (1)

Me too, add direct injection and a little higher compression ratio, should be good for 220-225hp. Take that and put a 6 speed AT with closer ratios and it would be a much quicker car.

hcshao

I am still having trouble seeing a v6 in a 2nd gen tsx considering the tl is right next door. It still doesn't sound like a product differentiation at all. It would lead to sale cannibalization with wasting money on product design.

But hey, I wouldn't mind a v6 ;p

cyberbro

This was a good one!

cyberbro

Someone in high office needs to tell the EPA to back off on the diesel pollution issue so car company's can use the euro diesels here in the US.
Everyone always says how much more green Europe is then us, so if they are so green why can't we use the same technology that works so well for them! It's all BS.

[R]isque'

They have 4wd CL9's in Japan already.....
Expect the same for CU2. :wink:

jiggaman

u serious??

human668

It's not CL9.
It's CL8. It has an AWD system likes the one on CR-V, and equipped with K20a engine.

Max Horsepower - 112kW [152PS] @ 6,000RPMs
Max Torque - 186Nm [19.0KG/m] @ 4,500RPMs

Colin

IMO there is no way they'll bring the old 'Realtime 4WD' system to the Acura line.

wackura

I can believe it. The 2G TSX seems to share a lot with the 3G TL. The 3G TL outsold the 1G TSX nearly 2 to 1, so they probably said " let's make the TSX a lighter TL", and if that's true they might decide to have something like a TSX-s, and there's nowhere to go from the 2.4 liter. All the talk about engines not fitting seems like BS because they have been sticking 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder engines in Accords for years. I find it hard to believe they are having so much trouble solving this particular problem. The snout on the 2G TSX is noticably larger than the 1G.

deznium

Even if a V6 came out, I think it'll be wiser to wait a year or two. The first V6 might have bugs that need to be worked out. So in a way if TSX equips with a V6, it'll be like buying a first year Acura model. I'm not sure how they will take care of torque steer as well. Putting a V6 in a TSX will simply make it a TL IMHO... but I would any day take a TL over the TSX with V6 simply because it looks more sleek (since they'll end up becoming the same cars engine-wise).. So a second hand TL with a few miles won't be a bad option to someone who's looking at a new TSX with V6.. haha..

wackura

I test drove an '08 TL-s and an '09 TSX and they are nothing alike handling-wise. The TL feels like it has to be pulled, there is a lot of sway. The TSX feels like it only needs to be directed and it stays on both feet at all times. I would be interested in a TSX with a V6 and I already passed on a used TL-s despite the cheaper price.

deznium

Well that swaying in the TL is because of the extra torque put on the front wheels which the car cannot handle in tight corners. Plus the weight distribution is not good either. The TSX will feel alike once you put in a V6 torque-heavy engine to drive the front wheels. For a V6, a rear wheel drive should be the ideal option (if you prefer handling over straight line acceleration).

dom

If its an all new V6....which is highly unlikely. Its likely to be a version of the J, which at this point are bulletproof.

Colin

Which makes me wonder: where will this car be built? The J series is (as far as I know) only made in North America. Would they ship crates to Japan or move the V-6 line to the US?

mg7726

screw the J-series, if it's gonna be a V6 build it from Japan and give us the detuned C30A/C32B dohc engines!

wackura

If I'm not mistaken that TL engine is rather heavy. I would hope the V6 would be rather light so that the car wouldn't lose too much of its handling character.

[R]isque'

Same shit......

dom

TL's 3.2, 3.5 or new 3.7 weigh less than the 3.0L that debuted in the 03 Accord.