rockstar283

I am in the market for a nice car..I have driven TSX and new Altima..and the driving experience of TSX has been more pleasant than Altima..top of the line Altima is 30k with all the options and TSX SE is for 31k which doesnt come with Tech package..Also Accord 13 is coming up and I read somewhere that TSX is gonna be discontinued in 2013..can someone please help me in choosing the right car here

nj2pa2nc

I think the last of the 2nd gen. TSX is the 2013 and the 3rd gen. Tsx will start with the 2014 model. The altima no longer offers manual transmission which is one of my requirements.

rockstar283

Relief..are there any 2013 tsx photos out? when is that car coming?

nj2pa2nc

I think it will the same as the 2012 model and not sure when.

spyked

Welcome to the forum. How did you find the new "zero gravity" seats in the Altima? I'm intrigued by those. Gimmick or actual good stuff?

As far as your decision making process, it really depends on what you want. The Altima and Accord are quite large. The TSX (and GLI and S60) is in that sweet spot for sedan size. Not really compact, but not quite full size. Do you need or want all that extra space? Next stop, minivan

I haven't seen any confirmation that the TSX will exist in the near future. With Honda not making a Euro Accord anyore...I'm thinking they won't create a TSX just for U.S. Acura dealers. The Acura TLX will probably be it's closest replacement in the Honda family.

Don't rule out anything you haven't tried. Regal turbo, VW CC, S60, new A3 or A4 sedan, soooooo many good choices out there for not much more than loaded Altima/Accord money.

There is a good chance the TSX in it's current form will be the sweet spot. If I didn't already have my TSX, I'd probably do my best to hold out for the new Mazda6. Looks sick, if not a big large.

mrstak

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2013 is coming later this year...end of autumn or something like that. no difference at all between the 2013 and 2012 models.

heard great things about the new accord though. lots of features on the accord that this generation tsx doesn't have. lane monitoring, blind spot detection, etc...

rockstar283

Thanks for the reply guys..Altima seats are really good..I mean u get to test drive the car only for 5-10 mins right..but they were good..I need a good size sedan..I know Altima and Accord are very long..there is no definite release date for Accord as well..I am thinking of buying the car on labor day to get discounts..2013 Accord spy photos are good..I wanna compare these 3 cars from headlights to tailights..but dont know when accord will come and I dont want to loose labor day discounts

Vinny_P

If you can hold out till later this fall you can compare the 13' Accord to the 13' TSX (same as 12' TSX)

There are features in the accord that would have been nice in the TSX, there is also a new honda infotainment system that will have various features you might benefit from.

2013 Honda Accord Features

Other than the 13' Accord being for Celine Dion lovers (big negative), it seems like Honda is trying to make the Accord compete against the likes of the Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata which boasts features and styling that are better than their entry-level midsize competitors.


But the main reasons I chose my TSX are as follows:

- Not a car you see everyday and everywhere on the road
- The level of refinement / feel of the materials was better than the 12' accord. (May change for the 13' accord)
- Interior styling was more to my liking

Like I said, wait till the fall - test drive both and make the decision for yourself. I know I would of loved to have text messaging capability.







Hybrid Model

rockstar283

what is meant by 'For Celine Dion lovers'??

Vinny_P

Just a joke since the guys in the spy photos were listening to Celine Dion.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-image?image=1073687/13acc_int_kgp-05.jpg

Youtube one of her songs, if you like it -> get the accord....seriously just kidding though.

thunderbt3

2013 Accord features and trims:

This is the first month to order the 13M Accord sedan.

We are pleased to introduce the all new Accord sedan. For 13M the following trims will be available with these standard features.

13M Accord L4 Sedan Features

LX includes:

• Rearview camera
• 8 in. i-MID TFT screen
• Pandora
• SMS text messaging capability
• 16 in alloy wheels
• Body color door mirrors
• Chrome door handles
• Bluetooth HandsFreeLink
• USB
• Dual Zone Auto AC
• Auto on/off headlights
• Security Alarm

NEW Sport adds:

• 18 in Alloy Wheels
• 8-way power seat
• Fog Lights
• Dual Exhaust
• Decklid Spoiler
• Paddle Shifters

EX adds or replaces on Sport:

• Honda LaneWatch (Blind Spot display)
• Side mirrors with turn signal indicators
• 17 in Alloy Wheels
• Power Moonroof

EX-L adds or replaces features on EX:

• Leather trimmed seats
• Audio with touch screen
• Multi-angle rearview camera
• Forward Collision Warning
• Lane Departure Warning
• XM Radio
• Heated front seats
• Leather steering wheel
• Navigation option

13M Accord V6 Sedan Features

EX-L adds to L4 EX-L:

• LED Daytime Running Lights
• Homelink
• Dual Exhaust

NEW Touring:

• Includes all of the aforementioned EX-L features and some additional luxury car features

rockstar283

Any word on the pricing of EX-L? I think the APR will be high on Altima and Accord as those are very new cars..but Acura will have a lower APR..that can be a decisive factor

spdandpwr

can anyone care to justify why xm is only featured on the ex-l? If you're offering so much on the lx, why can't you include xm...or at least offer it on the ex. I guess it's not like it really matters since I will never buy and accord again, lol. And, I'm surprised not to see auto dimming rearview mirror.

rockstar283

If I am going for Accord..then I am going for Gold

gonzo08452

If you can live without some the luxury items and moonroof, I suggest going with the Accord Sport

musty hustla

I drove the new Altima last weekend. It is pretty nice. Here's my review.

Basic Tech
Pushbutton start, keyless access, Bluetooth, streaming, USB...basic radio is very liveable.

The SL gets you a backup camera. I didn't check out the navi version.

Fuel economy
The 4cyl also gets 38mpg highway and is very peppy (0-60 in ~7sec). I assume the 6cyl is faster but with reduced economy.

Price
Starting price is ~$21K, but the SL 4cyl version is around $25K.

They are super new and dealers aren't moving much on the price.

Handling
Handles very well to me but I do drive a nose heavy V6 TSX. Car provides braking in the inside wheel while cornering to improve characteristics.

Seats
The non-leather seats are the BOMB! They are super soft and feel like a pair of sweatpants. They're supportive but not as contoured as the TSX. I would be concerned driving while sleepy since they are so comfortable.

I don't know if the leather is equally as nice.

Interior
Gets the job done. It's not memorable 5 days later.

Front and rear leg room is very good. Trunk is huge, but that's the case with most cars on the road today.

NVH
Super smooth and QUIET ride...more so than a Toyota Camry we test drove earlier.

rockstar283

I agree with most of what u said except pricing..2.5SL is for ~28k and tech package is around$1500 so it goes near about 30k..the pricing is so clever that u can get 3.5SV in 29k with tech package..but no leather seats and Bose..damn those pricing masters

rockstar283

I feel Acura's suspensions are very stiff while Altima's very soft..I test drove both the cars one of after the another on the same road and I could feel the bumpiness of the road in TSX but Altima was damn smooth..but the driving pleasure of TSX was better than that of Altima

gonzo08452

the new Altima is the real deal. Great value. Its only a matter of time before it outsells the Camry

musty hustla

It's definitely a solid car. They are need more than space seats to compete with Camry, Accord, or even Sonota/Optima buyers.

gonzo08452

July is the first full month for the Altima and its gaining momentum. The release of the new Accord around the corner may slow that down imo. However, outselling the Camry is defenitely a possibility

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musty hustla

^I stand corrected.

ESHBG

The new Altima looks very promising, and it seems as if you will get a lot of bang for the buck. MPGs are impressive as well on both the 4 cyl and the V6 however, not sure how the CVT will sit with some drivers. But Honda is going the CVT route as well for the new Accord across most of the trim levels, so it may be a non-issue anymore.

musty hustla, how did you feel about the CVT on your test drive?

One thing is for certain, competition in this class is getting FIERCE and Honda/Acura needs to step its game up quite a bit (and start making trim/package levels that MAKE SENSE again too!).

I am thinking You should be able to score a killer deal on a '13 TSX soon after they roll out, though, because the model is probably on its way out, and it is getting pretty dated (especially technology-wise) in comparison to the competitors.

gonzo08452

I'm not sure about the Altimas 2.5. I think its still based on the old QR25 available since 2002-2003. Good thing its quiet inside to mask the noise.

musty hustla

it was a bit noisy/whiney. Nothing unusal for the technology. Subaru probably has the quietest cvt I've driven but none are auto or manual quiet. I guess reducing noise is the next frontier for future improvements.

I see why some hate it. The engine/transmission noise under acceleration isn't confidence inspiring--that could be due to lack of familiarity.

Another negative is the car drags when coasting or decelerating-- reminds me of hybrids. You have to stay on the gas.

Rocket_man

It's worth waiting a few months to see the new Accord and what it has to offer.

Vinny_P

I would wait if you are not in a rush. If you had no car, and had to get to your job maybe rush out and buy. But there is nothing wrong with waiting, especially when this is a big year for Full Model Changes for many manufacturers, last of which is Honda.

beach109

Interesting comparison of models. The TSX will still be a crisper, more tailored and sport orientated slightly smaller sedan while the Altima and Accord take on larger volume and are not as "special", being the right word. They are mass market but very well done mass market.

The 2013 TSX remains exactly as the 2012, with the exception of the Taupe interior now called Graystone and the Milano Red currently offered only on the Special Edition expanding to all other sedan models in conjunction with the Parchment interior.

The TSX is a bit firmer and with more noise at times, but when on a highway trip an extremely refined and fun to drive car "just right". I enjoy mine everyday. The 2.4L and 5-speed still are strong, and it gets better mileage than the sticker when on highway. If you want a more unique car with the cachet, longer warranty, styling, etc. from Acura for not much more (and depending on equipment, less) money, it remains a standout car.

Always great to have a competitive market, and keep everyone on their toes.

odus

iTrader: (1)

went and looked at the altima and wow those seats are comfy car is nicer than the last one for sure

ESHBG

Ah okay, thanks! I haven't driven a car with a CVT yet but I am definitely curious to see how they drive.

dominik331

The word going around is that sadly there will be no 2014 TSX.

nj2pa2nc

Just googled 2014 tsx which seems to show it will be a full redesign

SSFTSX

It will be very difficult for Honda to replace TSX.
ILX 179inch but with rear legroom less than Civic.
and it is not competitor to BMW 3, A4 and soon to be enlarged IS and C class.
Current TL at 193 is too big.
At most TLX will come down to 190inch. more in GS size but not good enough for ES.
what Acura should do is to give another MMC to TSX with putting Euro Accord bixenon lights and ADAS package. it is not that Honda is have to develop some thing new.
new earth dream engines with CVT. those are already tested.
They gave 6MT to 1.6 diesel. Funny thing is there was no Civic to test 1.6L.









TLX will get more expensive as Honda has to make it upscale since Honda Accord is already moving up.

dominik331

Those are just wild guesses. No official word from Acura yet, but they already announced plans for a 3 sedans lineup and them backtracked on it, then announced their new naming system where all sedans will have the LX moniker starting with the ILX, then the recently revealed RLX and last the TLX. Add to that that they claim to be losing money on each vehicle imported from Japan and the news that the Euro Accord aka USA TSX wont be sold in Europe any more. All indicates to the final days of the great TSX. I dont like it but am getting used to the idea.

SSFTSX

uk (rhd) does not equal to EU. and 2.2 diesel is highly taxed 1.6L will change every thing. you cant sell 50mpg car when competition is 65mpg and above.

more likely hood ilx and zdx will be gone. no amount of technology can fix flawed concept.

Vinny_P

First official pics of 2013 Accord.

http://ca.autoblog.com/photos/2013-h...photo-5197552/

I think they missed the boat on this one personally.

a35tl

I like the rearend. The front end looks very similar to the current body. I'm more interested in hearing about all the other improvements they made to the car as well as hp, torque and fuel economy numbers.

aLittleFavour

i leased the TSX 6 months ago with the thought that there would be one more year of the current generation leaving me with an outdated design for about a year before i turned the vehicle in.

now knowing that there will not even be a 2014 model leaving me with a vehicle that doesn't even exist i wouldn't recommend it, specially as a purchase if that was your intention.

look into the altima or new accord imo.

potmilkz

wow the 2013 accord interior looks bossin

dominik331

And why wouldn't you recommended? Because it's being discontinued? Do you think Acura will stop making parts for it or that techs will suddenly forget how to work on it?