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2009 TSX -- What we Know so far



On Sale: April 24th, 2008

All-New 2009 TSX to Debut at New York International Auto Show
The second-generation Acura TSX is designed to appeal to young professionals with its keen-edge styling, athletic performance and advanced electronic features

TORRANCE, Calif., U.S.A., February 11, 2008– Designed and engineered to reaffirm its place as a desirable and affordable entry point for entry-premium buyers, the all-new second-generation 2009 TSX is larger, more agile, more performance minded and even “more Acura” than ever before. Carefully crafted to honor the original TSX’s vision as a world-class sports sedan, the new TSX has significantly evolved to offer more comfort, convenience, driving performance and safety. It does so with expanded luxury and electronic features, a wider stance for more agile performance, and advanced safety systems.


The 2009 TSX is expected to appeal to current TSX owners, young professionals and other image seekers who will appreciate its innovative styling, technical allure and total performance – while also valuing the outstanding customer treatment that owners have come to enjoy at Acura dealerships. Extremely brand conscious and eclectic in their tastes, buyers will find the TSX as satisfying for driving colleagues to lunch as it is for weekend snowboarding trips or vacation travel.


Powertrain
An all-aluminum DOHC i-VTEC® in-line 4-cylinder engine heralds a pair of firsts for the TSX model, including dual balance shafts and a direct ignition system. Along with improved performance, it is also cleaner as it now meeting the EPA’s aggressive Tier 2-Bin 5 and CARB LEV II Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards for the first time in TSX history.

Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission), the new in-line 4-cylinder engine produces its useable power across a much wider rpm range, while five percent more torque further strengthens the engine’s pulling power at middle rpm levels. This allows the 2009 TSX to be more responsive off the line and out of corners, and stronger in the middle of the rpm range where the engine operates most of the time.

This newfound performance and flexibility is due in part to a higher compression ratio, revised valve timing, and improved intake and exhaust gas flow. Further credit goes to the TSX engine’s i-VTEC® "intelligent" valve control system, which provides the power characteristics of a V-6 without sacrificing the light weight or fuel efficiency of an in-line four. Likewise, a new rear-mounted exhaust manifold layout, a close-coupled catalytic converter design, and a Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) system substantially reduce emissions levels. Estimated fuel mileage is 21/30/24 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 5 AT) and 20/28/23 mpg* (city/highway/combined, 6 MT).

Two transmissions are available, both as standard equipment – a 6-speed close- ratio manual with new performance-oriented ratios for Second through Sixth gears, and a Sequential SportShift 5-speed automatic with a new lock-up torque converter assembly. The manual transmission features a short-throw shifter with a precise, light action that makes it highly rewarding to use, while the Sequential SportShift automatic permits fully automatic operation with intelligent features such as Grade Logic Control and Shift Hold Control, which make driving the TSX on hilly or winding roads more enjoyable. If the driver desires, the automatic transmission can also be operated manually via new steering-wheel mounted F1®-style paddle shifters.


Body and Chassis
The 2009 TSX body structure includes two firsts for the Acura division, including a closed-channel cross-braced roof structure and inside frame rails. Along with a stronger rear bulkhead, the closed-channel cross-braced roof structure yields a more rigid and vibration-resistant structure. The first use of inside frame rails for any Acura model help tailor the aerodynamics underneath the car for improved fuel economy, lower emissions and reduced noise. In addition, new A-, B- and C-pillar separators improve the TSX’s quietness over rough roads and at high speed. Slippery aerodynamics also helps fuel economy as well as high-speed stability – all while lowering emissions.

In addition to its 3.0-inch greater width and 2.6-inch wider track, the 2009 TSX has a 1.3-inch longer wheelbase and 2.4 inches more overall length. These dimensions combine to provide greater interior roominess, more agile handling and improved ride quality. Another first for Acura are the TSX’s new dual-mode suspension dampers, which provide superior suspension damping characteristics at both lower and higher damper speeds. Using a unique deflector plate stack, the new dampers adjust compression damping characteristics to suit the vehicle speed, cornering forces and road surface. In creating the second-generation TSX body design, Acura designers sought to retain the crisp, dynamic design of the original and enhance it by widening the body overall and adding more muscular and distinctive cues to create a keen-edged sports sedan. Their key design goal was to create an aerodynamic design that evokes both emotion and tension with a decisively sporty flair.

Outward visibility is improved with a slimmer A-pillar design, while an auto up/down front passenger window adds convenience and a reverse-linked passenger-side door mirror tilts down to help improve safety while parallel parking. The new TSX also has a wider trunk opening and a lower trunk lift-over height for more convenient loading.


Exterior/Interior
Functionality and refinement converge with luxury and style in the interior of the 2009 Acura TSX. Featuring a blend of sweeping, contemporary shapes, a high level of standard comfort and convenience features, widespread use of premium materials and an available Technology Package, this 5-passenger sports sedan offers the upscale modern interior that customers have come to expect from Acura.

From the precision-crafted metal door sills to the satin-metal finish accents, from new leather-covered seats to the steering-wheel mounted controls, and from the premium 7-speaker sound system to the dual-zone automatic climate control, the TSX represents a merge of intelligent design and innovation. For example, Bluetooth® connectivity is standard and includes a HandsFreeLink® cellular telephone interface that makes communications easier and safer while en route.

Typical of Acura, the TSX offers an exceptional level of standard equipment. Included are a standard power passenger seat, a new folding key with remote entry, new automatic headlight activation, a premium 7-speaker sound system with CD, AM/FM/XM®, Bluetooth® HandsFreeLink® , and USB port music interface. A HomeLink® remote control system is also standard.

Adding to the already impressive list of TSX standard equipment is the available Technology Package, which bristles with leading-edge electronics that make driving much more efficient and enjoyable. These include an Acura Navigation System with Voice RecognitionTM, AcuraLink® Real-time traffic, AcuraLink® weather, and the highly useful AcuraLink® Satellite Communication System. The navigation system also features Real-time trafficTM covering 76 major metropolitan markets, and offers Traffic Rerouting with dynamic route guidance to help navigate around slow-downs. For 2009, the TSX receives a dash-mounted electronic compass for added directional information while driving.

Included in the Technology Package is a premium sound system tuned by legendary sound engineer Elliot Scheiner. This 10-speaker Acura/ELSTM Premium Surround Sound System with DVD-Audio includes a new Note function for XM® Radio that makes it easy to identify songs to recall at a later date. With push of a button, the Note function can capture 10 seconds of up to 30 songs, along with noting text indicating song title, artist name, and XM® channel.


Safety
The 2009 Acura TSX leads the way in safety with its new Advanced Compatibility EngineeringTM (ACETM) body structure. Engineered into the TSX model for the first time, ACETM improves the dispersal of frontal crash energy through the use of load-bearing frame structures that better match the TSX with other vehicles of different sizes and with different bumper heights. Simply put, ACETM helps maximize the effectiveness of the TSX’s front crumple zones, better dispersing crash forces before they reach the passenger compartment.

A broad range of passive safety features likewise contributes to occupant safety, including six airbags (dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, new dual-chamber front seat side airbags, and side curtain airbags for outboard seating positions). Three-point seatbelts and head restraints are provided in all seating positions, and front seatbelt load limiters with an integrated automatic tensioning system further protect the TSX driver and front passenger. A new Active Headrest Restrain System is used for the first time on the TSX, while the rear seat features a Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren (LATCH) system that allows for the easy and secure affixing of up to two child seats. Exterior features designed to further improve safety include daytime running lights (DRL), pedestrian-injury mitigation features such as a deformable hood, hood hinges and windshield-wiper pivots, and a 5-mph front bumper and 2.5-mph rear bumper. The 2009 Acura TSX is expected to achieve the highest ratings in both government (NHTSA)** and independent (IIHS) crash testing – including garnering IIHS’s TOP SAFETY PICK.

Finally, the 2009 Acura TSX is covered by a comprehensive 4-year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper limited warranty and a 6-year/70,000 mile powertrain limited warranty. Additional benefits of ownership include Acura Total Luxury Care® (TLC®) that provides free 24-hour roadside assistance, concierge service and trip routing.

Lets keep this thread for facts and specs only. This will eventually turn into the 09+ TSX FAQ thread.

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"Displacing 2.4-liters and producing 201 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque (with manual transmission)"

Ok, so what are the numbers for the AT?
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If they specifically refer to the manual transmission then maybe they are quoting power and torque numbers at the wheels. Could they possibly have a different engine tune dependent on transmission choice?
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2009 TSX
185.8" Length
72.4" width
62.2" Track
106.4" Wheelbase

2008 TSX
183.4" Length
69.4" Width
59.6" Track
105.1" Wheelbase

2008 TL
189.3" Length
75.4" Width
62.1" Track
107.9" Wheelbase

2008 Accord (perhaps indicative of '09 TL??)
194.1" Length
72.7" Width
62.2" Track
110.0" Wheelbase
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Lets keep this thread for facts and specs only. This will eventually turn into the 09+ TSX FAQ thread.

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Honda Motor Co. has trimmed engine output in its revamped Acura TSX to improve the sport sedan’s fuel economy.

The 2009 TSX 2.4-liter engine produces 201 horsepower, down from 205 now, Honda said. Combined city and highway fuel economy for a manual-transmission TSX rises to 23 miles per gallon, from 22 previously; the automatic gets 24 mpg, up from 23.

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I was curious why the 6speed manual transmission estimated MPG had a lower rating, 28mpg, on the highway than the 5speed automatic transmission, 30mpg.

I think the power numbers are pretty good, but I'm curious how much it weighs, it looks like a nice car and I may choose this over the newer gen TL if the TL turns out to be a bust. The TSX has really caught my interest.
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The gearing is different between the AT and MT (i.e. the MT turns at a higher RPM at 65mph than the AT which causes it to burn more fuel).
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Originally Posted by TSX69

Kansas City News

Gas-sipping Hondas

Honda Motor Co. has trimmed engine output in its revamped Acura TSX to improve the sport sedan’s fuel economy.

The 2009 TSX 2.4-liter engine produces 201 horsepower, down from 205 now, Honda said. Combined city and highway fuel economy for a manual-transmission TSX rises to 23 miles per gallon, from 22 previously; the automatic gets 24 mpg, up from 23.

But torque has been increased to 172 lbs-ft, up from 164, so the TSX actually has more power and better economy.
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Those 8 more lb-ft will likely be drowned by the added weight. I seriously doubt the cat will perform any better than the current car. But we shall see.

And not to nitpick but isn't HP defined as power?
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Originally Posted by Eoanou
I was curious why the 6speed manual transmission estimated MPG had a lower rating, 28mpg, on the highway than the 5speed automatic transmission, 30mpg....
Don't give too much credence to these numbers. The 2009 TSX supposedly gets better mileage than the previous generation, but I've never gotten less than 33 mpg highway in my 2007 6MT, and have gotten better than 35 (actual based on fuel used, not the trip computer). Heck, I get almost 28 just commuting to/from work.
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Originally Posted by dom
Lets keep this thread for facts and specs only. This will eventually turn into the 09+ TSX FAQ thread.

just my
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its not that great. i'd think the previous models are nicer looking
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Originally Posted by dom
Those 8 more lb-ft will likely be drowned by the added weight. I seriously doubt the cat will perform any better than the current car. But we shall see.

And not to nitpick but isn't HP defined as power?
Horsepower maintains power and torque generates power if I remember correctly.
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Originally Posted by larryziegler
Horsepower maintains power and torque generates power if I remember correctly.
Let me take a crack at this;

HP is a measure of power. In other words, it's a measurement work. I'm not going to google this, but I remember 1 HP was equivalent to the amount of energy a horse needed to raise a bushel of something so many feet off the ground. It's a ridiculous throw back measurement that somehow is still with us today when we measure power in engines. A more "modern" measurement of power is Watts. You could express your engines power output in Watts just as easily, but no one does.

Torque is the force applied to push or turn something. It goes into the equation to calculate power but doesn't represent it directly.

Another way of looking at it is this; The force you apply to a stuck bolt as you clamp down on it with a wrench is the torque. Once the bolt starts moving you can measure the horsepower produced as a result of your efforts. In the end, torque is really more important for the average driver. It's what you feel when you step on the gas.

I think I've got that right. High School physics was a LONG time ago
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^You've pretty much got it. It's a little bit more confusing than what I'm about to put it, but if you want to keep things simple for simple's sake....just think of it like this


HP = Speed
Torque = Acceleration
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everyone will be able to see the car on the march 20 at the auto show in nyc. pictures will be release then and also we are able to take deposit soon on the 2009 TSX very soon!!
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I would assume that we are able to take deposit by next week or so...we already know what color and model we getting.
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XM In-Vehicle Weather Tracking Service

Excerpt:

NEW YORK, March 18 -- XM announced that real-time XM NavWeather, the in-vehicle weather tracking service for navigation, will be available as on the Acura TSX.

Full Article:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...18/081369.html
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missed the edit window. post was supposed to be this:

Excerpt:

NEW YORK, March 18 -- XM announced that real-time XM NavWeather, the in-vehicle weather tracking service for navigation, will be available as on the Acura TSX. The vehicle was unveiled today at the 2008 New York Auto Show at the Jacob K. Javits Center.

Full Article:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...18/081369.html

Thought it was a bit odd they said that the vehicle was unveiled today. I was under the impression that the Auto Show doesn't start until the 21st.
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Isn't real time weather just looking out the window?
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Isn't real time weather just looking out the window?


Yea...unless it has that cool feature that lets you know of traffic jams ahead and tells you how to detour around them. Now THOSE are cool. No indication of that though. :/
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Well, to clarify a few points:

"The XM NavWeather service uses sophisticated Threat Matrix technology to track weather conditions coast-to-coast, then scales and customizes this detail to the driver's specific location and route. XM NavWeather can alert drivers to severe conditions before they drive into them. The service works with the Navigation System to display information via color weather icons or warning signals on the vehicle's navigation screen, and can give the driver the option to easily re-route around a storm's path. The service also provides multi-day forecasts based on weather monitoring stations across the U.S."

and

"2009 Acura TSX and RL drivers will be first to experience the new XM NavWeather service, available as part of the Technology Package that includes an Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition and AcuraLink® with XM NavWeather and XM NavTraffic."
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Originally Posted by surf4fun0418
Yea...unless it has that cool feature that lets you know of traffic jams ahead and tells you how to detour around them. Now THOSE are cool. No indication of that though. :/
Oh well, we don't have XM here so none of this will work anyway....
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Originally Posted by SpicyMikey
Let me take a crack at this;

HP is a measure of power. In other words, it's a measurement work. I'm not going to google this, but I remember 1 HP was equivalent to the amount of energy a horse needed to raise a bushel of something so many feet off the ground. It's a ridiculous throw back measurement that somehow is still with us today when we measure power in engines. A more "modern" measurement of power is Watts. You could express your engines power output in Watts just as easily, but no one does.

Torque is the force applied to push or turn something. It goes into the equation to calculate power but doesn't represent it directly.

Another way of looking at it is this; The force you apply to a stuck bolt as you clamp down on it with a wrench is the torque. Once the bolt starts moving you can measure the horsepower produced as a result of your efforts. In the end, torque is really more important for the average driver. It's what you feel when you step on the gas.

I think I've got that right. High School physics was a LONG time ago
Thats pretty good. I believe the horse raising the bushel is also timed. I usually break it down to my clients this way. Torque is what gets your rolling, horsepower is what keeps you rolling. Oversimplification? Sure, but it seems to get the message across.

I also point out that a lot of one at the expense of another isn't good either. An 18 wheeler has a lot of torque, but they aren't fast. A Formula One car has a lot of horsepower and no torque, they don't tow very well.
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Originally Posted by Colin
Isn't real time weather just looking out the window?


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I also point out that a lot of one at the expense of another isn't good either. An 18 wheeler has a lot of torque, but they aren't fast. A Formula One car has a lot of horsepower and no torque, they don't tow very well.
Good point. A huge river water wheel hooked up to an old wood mill in Vermont has tons of torque. Probably could twist that crankshaft into swirly candy cane if it was held back from turning. But, you ain't gonna win any races with that hooked up to your car. It't got no power.
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Any ideas on the colors it'll be available in?
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I didn't want to create a separate thread for this, but Acura has updated their website to include the new TSX:

http://www.acura.com/index.aspx?init...tLoader=return
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Looked underneath a new tsx today and the subframe of the car looks like it is already prepped for sh-awd and there are extra threaded holes that looks like a differential would bolt onto and there is an extra exhaust hanger not used for anything.
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Originally Posted by TSXmeister
Looked underneath a new tsx today and the subframe of the car looks like it is already prepped for sh-awd and there are extra threaded holes that looks like a differential would bolt onto and there is an extra exhaust hanger not used for anything.
Wow, good to know that. Now I have enough reason to stop myself to rush into 09 TSX.
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if there will be an SH-AWD TSX for about $33.5K loaded with the technology package in 2010, that would be a good deal and a bump in hp like 220hp would be nice. wishful thinking.
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VERY wishful. Even the cheapest AWD systems on the market add over $1k to the price. If the dollar continues to tank, I think you'll be looking at a pricetag closer to $35k.
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Looking at their interactive showroom on Acura.com, it appears that the keyfob now open windows and sunroof, just like on the TL and provides the ability to close the windows and sunroof from the keyfob as a standard feature from the factory.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Looking at their interactive showroom on Acura.com, it appears that the keyfob now open windows and sunroof, just like on the TL and provides the ability to close the windows and sunroof from the keyfob as a standard feature from the factory.
Sweet. Those a some nice features.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Looking at their interactive showroom on Acura.com, it appears that the keyfob now open windows and sunroof, just like on the TL and provides the ability to close the windows and sunroof from the keyfob as a standard feature from the factory.
sweet, now give me an intelligent key instead of a keyfob and push button start!
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Looking at their interactive showroom on Acura.com, it appears that the keyfob now open windows and sunroof, just like on the TL and provides the ability to close the windows and sunroof from the keyfob as a standard feature from the factory.

Sweet, never used that feature even once on my 04. The window part that is.

Does anybody actually make use of that feature?
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Sweet, never used that feature even once on my 04. The window part that is.

Does anybody actually make use of that feature?
I have the down (stock) and the up (KP) and I use them.
not too often, but sometimes.
helps to air out the car when it's hot... that's the only purpose I see for it.
so if I'm at a store, when approaching the car I'll roll them down.
then I'll load the trunk or whatever, put the cart away, then while walking
back to the car I'll raise them back up.

probably drops the temp inside by about 10-20 degrees if it's windy at all.
helps a little.
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I use the down feature every day in the summer. My car has the black interior, and I park outside my office building. I lower the windows when I'm about 20 feet from the car, which helps a lot.


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