09 A4 vs 09 TSX
03-27-2008, 08:05 PM
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I thought the A4 was more a competitor to the TL/3-series/G? The A4 with FWD and sub 200hp may be in the TSX's price range but would pale in comparison in features and reliability. I have to give it to the A4/A6 they are some lookers. I'd test drive before making a choice.
A decently loaded A4 with AWD is definitely a class up than the TSX.
A decently loaded A4 with AWD is definitely a class up than the TSX.
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I can understand people who have been 'loyal' to their favorite car makers, but at the same time...why? At this point in time, if I was older...had a decent job, and was about ready to replace my TSX...the A4 would be screaming my name. Audi has taken some giant leaps forward from what I know of their previous reputation. I'm not only talking about their styling, performance, and ergonomics...but from what I've heard, their reliability has also taken a 180 degree turn for the good. Sure, they may not be perfect....and yea, Honda is definitely the king of reliability, but to be honest, I'm willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of reliability for a more rounded car...and one that's progressing forward....not one that's staying the same, or much less going backwards.
2009 A4 > 2009 TSX IMHO[/QUOTE]
I agree..... if a couple thousands can get a nicer, more powerful, and a better looking car, the money is worth it to spend, plus the 09 is really ugly. I love my 05 TSX but the 09 one is just.........
I can understand people who have been 'loyal' to their favorite car makers, but at the same time...why? At this point in time, if I was older...had a decent job, and was about ready to replace my TSX...the A4 would be screaming my name. Audi has taken some giant leaps forward from what I know of their previous reputation. I'm not only talking about their styling, performance, and ergonomics...but from what I've heard, their reliability has also taken a 180 degree turn for the good. Sure, they may not be perfect....and yea, Honda is definitely the king of reliability, but to be honest, I'm willing to sacrifice a tiny bit of reliability for a more rounded car...and one that's progressing forward....not one that's staying the same, or much less going backwards.
2009 A4 > 2009 TSX IMHO[/QUOTE]
I agree..... if a couple thousands can get a nicer, more powerful, and a better looking car, the money is worth it to spend, plus the 09 is really ugly. I love my 05 TSX but the 09 one is just.........
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Originally Posted by JAB00
I thought the A4 was more a competitor to the TL/3-series/G? The A4 with FWD and sub 200hp may be in the TSX's price range but would pale in comparison in features and reliability. I have to give it to the A4/A6 they are some lookers. I'd test drive before making a choice.
A decently loaded A4 with AWD is definitely a class up than the TSX.
A decently loaded A4 with AWD is definitely a class up than the TSX.
Everyone know a Corvette is fast, but w/ the cost of it, I rather to spend the same amount on a Porscher Cayman!!! Which has a better looking in my opinion.
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Audi is certainly making some nice looking and upscale vehicles these days. The new A4 has some very cool features including LED headlights, a nice interior, powerful engine options, etc.
That said, the A4 is more expensive than the TSX. And while Audi may be making some strides with reliability, it's very tough for me to trust them. I am looking to buy a long term, reliable car soon, and Audi (VW group) has such an abysmal reliability reputation... I just don't trust their cars enough to buy one.
That said, the A4 is more expensive than the TSX. And while Audi may be making some strides with reliability, it's very tough for me to trust them. I am looking to buy a long term, reliable car soon, and Audi (VW group) has such an abysmal reliability reputation... I just don't trust their cars enough to buy one.
03-28-2008, 11:55 AM
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Audi is certainly making some nice looking and upscale vehicles these days. The new A4 has some very cool features including LED headlights, a nice interior, powerful engine options, etc.
That said, the A4 is more expensive than the TSX. And while Audi may be making some strides with reliability, it's very tough for me to trust them. I am looking to buy a long term, reliable car soon, and Audi (VW group) has such an abysmal reliability reputation... I just don't trust their cars enough to buy one.
That said, the A4 is more expensive than the TSX. And while Audi may be making some strides with reliability, it's very tough for me to trust them. I am looking to buy a long term, reliable car soon, and Audi (VW group) has such an abysmal reliability reputation... I just don't trust their cars enough to buy one.
I think it's safe to say that they are at least average in the reliablility area. My sister has a 2000 VW Beetle and its suited her well and has never had in powertrain problems or anything like that. The original warranty was really lame which made you wonder, but she's never had any problems, I would think that they are probably even better now. I know one car doesn't justify the whole company, but....just saying.
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Originally Posted by spurfan15
Audi is certainly making some nice looking and upscale vehicles these days. The new A4 has some very cool features including LED headlights, a nice interior, powerful engine options, etc.
That said, the A4 is more expensive than the TSX. And while Audi may be making some strides with reliability, it's very tough for me to trust them. I am looking to buy a long term, reliable car soon, and Audi (VW group) has such an abysmal reliability reputation... I just don't trust their cars enough to buy one.
That said, the A4 is more expensive than the TSX. And while Audi may be making some strides with reliability, it's very tough for me to trust them. I am looking to buy a long term, reliable car soon, and Audi (VW group) has such an abysmal reliability reputation... I just don't trust their cars enough to buy one.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
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Then don't buy one. I know the dangers of using single data points to evaluate things, but I'll do it anyway. A friend of mine has an 11 year old Audi A4 2.8 V6, the car has had a front suspension issue, that is it. It has never failed to start, never dies, never left him stranded, still looks great and drives great. 2 of my other friends both have Acuras, an 06 TL and an 06 TSX. The TL has a list of warranty items which need to be fixed every time it goes in for service. The TSX just had to have a new battery (at 1.5 years old!!!). I have to be honest, I am NOT blown away by Acura relibility. Maybe I expect too much due to Acura reputation. The A4 is now on the CR recommended list, and the reliability is now rated high. Don't confuse VW reliability, which is still horrible, with Audi relaibility, which is at an all time high, just because VW is Audi's parent company. Audi, as a brand, is continuing to seperate itself from VW. There is less and less platform and engine sharing as the years go on, and Audi began a renewed to quality about 3-4 years ago, and I believe it is showing.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
And the fuel efficiency is annoying too. The TSX is pretty good, but when you compare the power output and efficiency to some other makes, it really isn't that impressive.
I might end up test driving both the 2009 TSX and A4 and it really would not surprise me if I find the A4 to be the much sportier, better driving car. I also suspect you are right about Audi vastly improving their reliability -- that seems to be the indication these days.
I might consider the A4, but I think I'm still into the TSX, because interior quality and reliability are two of my top parameters (Acura still does a great interior, though Audis are really nice too). I'm waiting for the diesel engine, though. That engine will greatly improve torque -- something the TSX needs -- and will come with mid 40's MPG fuel efficiency. I'm excited about the diesel because it's finally something new to help revitalize Acura. We've seen a lot of incremental advancing, but this is finally a huge new feature. I really hope they don't botch the DTEC on the TSX, because that is the big hope for the TSX in my mind.
I probably won't forget the A4 though, I'll keep an eye on the reliability ratings, and if they continue to be good, I'll consider it.
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Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX?
Spurfan,
As a former VW TDI owner, I agree with the torque comment, and I really like how the torque adds to the drivability around town for quick bursts of acceleration, a pretty addicitive thing. I am, however concerned that there will continue to be a significant premuim on the price of diesel due to refining capacity and supply issues of diesel in the USA.
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Originally Posted by MJB_CHI
Then don't buy one. I know the dangers of using single data points to evaluate things, but I'll do it anyway. A friend of mine has an 11 year old Audi A4 2.8 V6, the car has had a front suspension issue, that is it. It has never failed to start, never dies, never left him stranded, still looks great and drives great. 2 of my other friends both have Acuras, an 06 TL and an 06 TSX. The TL has a list of warranty items which need to be fixed every time it goes in for service. The TSX just had to have a new battery (at 1.5 years old!!!). I have to be honest, I am NOT blown away by Acura relibility. Maybe I expect too much due to Acura reputation. The A4 is now on the CR recommended list, and the reliability is now rated high. Don't confuse VW reliability, which is still horrible, with Audi relaibility, which is at an all time high, just because VW is Audi's parent company. Audi, as a brand, is continuing to seperate itself from VW. There is less and less platform and engine sharing as the years go on, and Audi began a renewed to quality about 3-4 years ago, and I believe it is showing.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
My TSX is definitely the last honda/acura I own, but I will be keeping her for a long time. Love my 07.
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Have to agree with most of everything being said here. I was waiting for the 09 TSX before I buy a car later in the year and feel soooo disappointed. Not only is it uglier and less sporty, it's even more expensive. I think my next car is gonna be a BMW or Audi.
One thing to add about the Audi, true they are not the most reliable, but for some odd reason it's actually slightly cheaper for me to insure than a TSX. The price ain't bad either, my sister-in-law got her 2.0T loaded for about 32k. And it's a real fun car to drive.
One thing to add about the Audi, true they are not the most reliable, but for some odd reason it's actually slightly cheaper for me to insure than a TSX. The price ain't bad either, my sister-in-law got her 2.0T loaded for about 32k. And it's a real fun car to drive.
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Then don't buy one. I know the dangers of using single data points to evaluate things, but I'll do it anyway. A friend of mine has an 11 year old Audi A4 2.8 V6, the car has had a front suspension issue, that is it. It has never failed to start, never dies, never left him stranded, still looks great and drives great. 2 of my other friends both have Acuras, an 06 TL and an 06 TSX. The TL has a list of warranty items which need to be fixed every time it goes in for service. The TSX just had to have a new battery (at 1.5 years old!!!). I have to be honest, I am NOT blown away by Acura relibility. Maybe I expect too much due to Acura reputation. The A4 is now on the CR recommended list, and the reliability is now rated high. Don't confuse VW reliability, which is still horrible, with Audi relaibility, which is at an all time high, just because VW is Audi's parent company. Audi, as a brand, is continuing to seperate itself from VW. There is less and less platform and engine sharing as the years go on, and Audi began a renewed to quality about 3-4 years ago, and I believe it is showing.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
Very well said.
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Then don't buy one. I know the dangers of using single data points to evaluate things, but I'll do it anyway. A friend of mine has an 11 year old Audi A4 2.8 V6, the car has had a front suspension issue, that is it. It has never failed to start, never dies, never left him stranded, still looks great and drives great. 2 of my other friends both have Acuras, an 06 TL and an 06 TSX. The TL has a list of warranty items which need to be fixed every time it goes in for service. The TSX just had to have a new battery (at 1.5 years old!!!). I have to be honest, I am NOT blown away by Acura relibility. Maybe I expect too much due to Acura reputation. The A4 is now on the CR recommended list, and the reliability is now rated high. Don't confuse VW reliability, which is still horrible, with Audi relaibility, which is at an all time high, just because VW is Audi's parent company. Audi, as a brand, is continuing to seperate itself from VW. There is less and less platform and engine sharing as the years go on, and Audi began a renewed to quality about 3-4 years ago, and I believe it is showing.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
Don't flame me, but the way it looks to me, contrary to their current advertising slogan, "Advance" it really looks to me like they are not advancing anything. Audi, on the other hand, with "Never Follow" seems to be living up to it. A few examples, the A4 was introduced to the USA in 1995, with a 5-speed automatic. The "ALL NEW 2009" TSX was introduced for the 2009 model year, with a 5 speed automatic. 13 years later, the Audi has a 6 speed automatic, and sometime in the 2010 model year, there will be a 7 speed DSG automatic available. Leuxs has 8-speeds in a few cars, MB has 7 speeds available, the industry standard in automatics is now 6-speeds, but the "NEW" TSX will get by with a dated 5 speed. Ironic, because the Acura could really use that extra gear to help the engine use the narrow power band better. What about direct injection? Audi started phasing it in several years ago, now it is standard almost across the line. Direct injection allows higher compression, better power/torque lower in the rev band, and better MPG. Acura? No, still relying on port injection even though GM, Toyota (Lexus) and the major competition is phasing it in to their product lines quickly over the next few years. The 2009 2.0T develops 265 lb/ft of torque, that is significantly MORE than the J32 in the TL. What about economy? Why is it that the 2 ton Buick Lucerne V6 is rated at 28MPG highway, the same as the TSX? Not impressive torque OR fuel economy. 201 HP from 2.4L 4 banger, I admit, is not bad, though the 09 A4 2.0T makes 211 from 2 liters. In fairness to Acura, it seems that they are on the cutting edge on interior features, nav with traffic and weather, direct i-pod hookup, etc.
If I sound disappointed, that s because I am very dissapointed. I have been lurking here, reading the posts and hoping to trade my car for a new TSX with K23T and SH-AWD (the TL is too damn big for me). I friend recently bought an RDX and I was very impressed with the responsivness of the drive train, but I do not want an SUV in any size, shape, or form. Make no mistake, I like alot of things about the new TSX, I really like the interior and the gauges, and the ELS sound system sounds great. I would paint the silly grille body color and that would make the exterior look just fine to me. But with only the 2.4 non turbo, 5-speed automatic, no direct injection, forget it, the 2009 A4 is without question, the way to go. Too bad. With the competition agressively raising the bar, I sure hope Acura can find enough buyers for the new TSX with its dated drivetrain technology. Acura is marketing the TSX as a "Sport Sedan", don't buyers of Sport Sedans look for these things? The mechanicals of a car to a Sport Sedan buyer are more important than the creature comforts.
Right on the money. I was sort of too scared to say it on these boards cause I'd get flamed immediately! Honda fans love their cars and I love their cars also.
I was actually seconds from buying an 08 TSX, but thought better of the idea. A friend of mine brought me onto the idea of an 08 Altima. I thought I'd never buy Nissan but after reading the forums on the 07-08 years of the new Altima, I was sold. I've had mine for about a month now and have had NO problems. I spent 4K less for a car with all of the same features as the TSX besides bluetooth, a nicer stereo system(maybe), and VSC.
TSX 2.4L
205 hp @ 7000 rpm
164 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
Altima 2.5L
175 hp @ 5600 rpm
180 ft-lbs. @ 3900 rpm
I have pretty much everything you guys have, TPMS, Dual climate control, 8 airbags (5 stars all around in mine). I have a pretty cool push button ignition and buttons on the door handle so I never need to see my key, rear air conditioning for passengers, CVT transmission with 6 sportshift gears, and better gas mileage. And according to consumer reports, I have better acceleration. I get 32+ on the highway and about 23 in the city. Granted, it's a bigger car, but it weighs about 161 lbs less than the TSX. I think that my comparison isn't way off because everyone here compares the TSX to the Accord(which is larger than the Altima). Well, I'm comparing the TSX to the 08 Altima and if you want, 09 TSX.
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I checked out an Altima at this year's auto show and was very impressed. Put a diesel engine in that car and it goes on my short list.
03-31-2008, 04:06 PM
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Right on the money. I was sort of too scared to say it on these boards cause I'd get flamed immediately! Honda fans love their cars and I love their cars also.
I was actually seconds from buying an 08 TSX, but thought better of the idea. A friend of mine brought me onto the idea of an 08 Altima. I thought I'd never buy Nissan but after reading the forums on the 07-08 years of the new Altima, I was sold. I've had mine for about a month now and have had NO problems. I spent 4K less for a car with all of the same features as the TSX besides bluetooth, a nicer stereo system(maybe), and VSC.
TSX 2.4L
205 hp @ 7000 rpm
164 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
Altima 2.5L
175 hp @ 5600 rpm
180 ft-lbs. @ 3900 rpm
I have pretty much everything you guys have, TPMS, Dual climate control, 8 airbags (5 stars all around in mine). I have a pretty cool push button ignition and buttons on the door handle so I never need to see my key, rear air conditioning for passengers, CVT transmission with 6 sportshift gears, and better gas mileage. And according to consumer reports, I have better acceleration. I get 32+ on the highway and about 23 in the city. Granted, it's a bigger car, but it weighs about 161 lbs less than the TSX. I think that my comparison isn't way off because everyone here compares the TSX to the Accord(which is larger than the Altima). Well, I'm comparing the TSX to the 08 Altima and if you want, 09 TSX.
I was actually seconds from buying an 08 TSX, but thought better of the idea. A friend of mine brought me onto the idea of an 08 Altima. I thought I'd never buy Nissan but after reading the forums on the 07-08 years of the new Altima, I was sold. I've had mine for about a month now and have had NO problems. I spent 4K less for a car with all of the same features as the TSX besides bluetooth, a nicer stereo system(maybe), and VSC.
TSX 2.4L
205 hp @ 7000 rpm
164 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
Altima 2.5L
175 hp @ 5600 rpm
180 ft-lbs. @ 3900 rpm
I have pretty much everything you guys have, TPMS, Dual climate control, 8 airbags (5 stars all around in mine). I have a pretty cool push button ignition and buttons on the door handle so I never need to see my key, rear air conditioning for passengers, CVT transmission with 6 sportshift gears, and better gas mileage. And according to consumer reports, I have better acceleration. I get 32+ on the highway and about 23 in the city. Granted, it's a bigger car, but it weighs about 161 lbs less than the TSX. I think that my comparison isn't way off because everyone here compares the TSX to the Accord(which is larger than the Altima). Well, I'm comparing the TSX to the 08 Altima and if you want, 09 TSX.
Glad you found the right car for you as the TSX is not for everyone.
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You were clearly not looking for what the TSX has to offer then. The Altima is nowhere near as sporty and not not provide anywhere close to the driving pleasure that the TSX does. If the drive is not that important to you, then the TSX usually is not the best choice.
Glad you found the right car for you as the TSX is not for everyone.
Glad you found the right car for you as the TSX is not for everyone.
03-31-2008, 10:08 PM
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I'd have to disagree for sure. The Altima is sportier than the Accord and everyone on these boards compares the TSX with the Accord. Go test drive an 08 Altima 2.5SL. Not bashing the TSX. I love Acuras and I hope the brand doesn't go to shit. I was one of the first people to get TL pictures and post them on this forum back when it was ClubTSX.
The Altima is not as sporty as the TSX. The feel of the steering and the communication of the grip from the front tires is just not there in the same clear, communicative way it is on the TSX. The turn-in is not nearly as sharp nor does the Altima feel light and nimble.
The TSX is seldom compared to the Accord in driving dynamics. It is compared to the Accord in terms of equipment and comfort since the TSX is based off of the Accord Euro that is available to the rest of the world. Driving dynamics wise, the TSX has always been a cut above the regular USDM Accord.
04-01-2008, 08:55 PM
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Right on the money. I was sort of too scared to say it on these boards cause I'd get flamed immediately! Honda fans love their cars and I love their cars also.
I was actually seconds from buying an 08 TSX, but thought better of the idea. A friend of mine brought me onto the idea of an 08 Altima. I thought I'd never buy Nissan but after reading the forums on the 07-08 years of the new Altima, I was sold. I've had mine for about a month now and have had NO problems. I spent 4K less for a car with all of the same features as the TSX besides bluetooth, a nicer stereo system(maybe), and VSC.
TSX 2.4L
205 hp @ 7000 rpm
164 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
Altima 2.5L
175 hp @ 5600 rpm
180 ft-lbs. @ 3900 rpm
I have pretty much everything you guys have, TPMS, Dual climate control, 8 airbags (5 stars all around in mine). I have a pretty cool push button ignition and buttons on the door handle so I never need to see my key, rear air conditioning for passengers, CVT transmission with 6 sportshift gears, and better gas mileage. And according to consumer reports, I have better acceleration. I get 32+ on the highway and about 23 in the city. Granted, it's a bigger car, but it weighs about 161 lbs less than the TSX. I think that my comparison isn't way off because everyone here compares the TSX to the Accord(which is larger than the Altima). Well, I'm comparing the TSX to the 08 Altima and if you want, 09 TSX.
I was actually seconds from buying an 08 TSX, but thought better of the idea. A friend of mine brought me onto the idea of an 08 Altima. I thought I'd never buy Nissan but after reading the forums on the 07-08 years of the new Altima, I was sold. I've had mine for about a month now and have had NO problems. I spent 4K less for a car with all of the same features as the TSX besides bluetooth, a nicer stereo system(maybe), and VSC.
TSX 2.4L
205 hp @ 7000 rpm
164 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
Altima 2.5L
175 hp @ 5600 rpm
180 ft-lbs. @ 3900 rpm
I have pretty much everything you guys have, TPMS, Dual climate control, 8 airbags (5 stars all around in mine). I have a pretty cool push button ignition and buttons on the door handle so I never need to see my key, rear air conditioning for passengers, CVT transmission with 6 sportshift gears, and better gas mileage. And according to consumer reports, I have better acceleration. I get 32+ on the highway and about 23 in the city. Granted, it's a bigger car, but it weighs about 161 lbs less than the TSX. I think that my comparison isn't way off because everyone here compares the TSX to the Accord(which is larger than the Altima). Well, I'm comparing the TSX to the 08 Altima and if you want, 09 TSX.
And altima cannot have better acceleration at higher speeds >60mph as TSX has lowest cd of 0.27 vs 0.30 for Altima. there is reason for short back of TSX.
There alot of intangible variables that make TSX desirable.
04-01-2008, 09:51 PM
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Sure. It might be a goofy comparison; my answer is go test drive. No need to hijack this thread anymore
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...4&page=1&pp=40
If Audi's reliability comes up, my next car might be a 2010 A4 otherwise maybe a 2010 TSX if they put in a 6 speed trans, CVT, direct injection, touch button ignition, turbo, diesel, or something to satisfy my tech addiction. I like my CVT. It's nice to drive something different imo.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...4&page=1&pp=40
If Audi's reliability comes up, my next car might be a 2010 A4 otherwise maybe a 2010 TSX if they put in a 6 speed trans, CVT, direct injection, touch button ignition, turbo, diesel, or something to satisfy my tech addiction. I like my CVT. It's nice to drive something different imo.
04-02-2008, 12:12 AM
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why you want to compare Nissan with Acura. According to JD survey UK EuroAccord is No2 in its segment & No6 in all segments. The Closest Nissan came is No 15in its segment (Infinit G20) with overall ranking of No 99.
I think even Corrolla XRS will be better buy than Altima. Loads of space, 0.28cd, Sport suspension, 17inch rims,5speed auto with Stability etc.
I think even Corrolla XRS will be better buy than Altima. Loads of space, 0.28cd, Sport suspension, 17inch rims,5speed auto with Stability etc.
http://www.whatcar.com/news-special-...557&EL=3196977
JD Power Survey 2007 - Family cars
2 Honda Accord
Rating 84.8%
Overall ranking 6th
JD Power Survey 2007 - Family cars
2 Honda Accord
Rating 84.8%
Overall ranking 6th
http://www.whatcar.com/used-car-look...RT=2611&type=5
Honda has earned itself a regular top-five slot in the What Car? Reliability Index, while owners responding to the JD Power Survey praised their cars to the skies.
Honda has earned itself a regular top-five slot in the What Car? Reliability Index, while owners responding to the JD Power Survey praised their cars to the skies.
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
why you want to compare Nissan with Acura. According to JD survey UK EuroAccord is No2 in its segment & No6 in all segments. The Closest Nissan came is No 15in its segment (Infinit G20) with overall ranking of No 99.
I think even Corrolla XRS will be better buy than Altima. Loads of space, 0.28cd, Sport suspension, 17inch rims,5speed auto with Stability etc.
I think even Corrolla XRS will be better buy than Altima. Loads of space, 0.28cd, Sport suspension, 17inch rims,5speed auto with Stability etc.
04-02-2008, 07:59 AM
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So you guys refuse to compare the TSX to the A4 or 3 series based on price so when a car with a similar price is mentioned (Altima) its not a competitor either?
Lets just agree that the TSX is in class of its own and can't be compared to anything
Lets just agree that the TSX is in class of its own and can't be compared to anything
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I understand people love the brand and the car like TSX in particular.... I love my 05 TSX as well but when the fact kicks in about how sucky on the 09 TSX, I would just admit it!
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So you guys refuse to compare the TSX to the A4 or 3 series based on price so when a car with a similar price is mentioned (Altima) its not a competitor either?
Lets just agree that the TSX is in class of its own and can't be compared to anything
Lets just agree that the TSX is in class of its own and can't be compared to anything
04-02-2008, 08:44 PM
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my bad. Corolla XRS?? Toyota's entry into the sport sub-compact class..hmm. :surrender
you cannot really compare Corrolla/Lancer/Altima to TSX. if ur looking for budget minded driving experiance than Lancer is they way to go. Styling, shiny colors, 18inch rims are closer to TSX but these cars simply dont have the quality feel of TSX.
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Well, Insideline has said that Mercedes may be releasing a supercharged 4 cylinder version of the C class for less than $33K....even more worries for Acura.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125431
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125431
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Originally Posted by dom
So you guys refuse to compare the TSX to the A4 or 3 series based on price so when a car with a similar price is mentioned (Altima) its not a competitor either?
Lets just agree that the TSX is in class of its own and can't be compared to anything
Lets just agree that the TSX is in class of its own and can't be compared to anything
I myself drive a 05 TSX as well, back in the days, the TSX does in class of its own and a cut above Altima/Accord/Camry due to smaller size and sportier handling. But in 2008, everything has flipped and there's no excuse.
None of us has test-drive the 2009 TSX yet, so if it's still remain sporty handling, no one knows. What we know is, the 09 engine is simply a 07 TSX engine + CAI + hondata reflash from the spec sheet; gain another 200lbs; and a few inches longer and wider. Does the interior impress me, NO. But I wasn't disappointed either.
It's a tough question to ask what's the TSX should compare to?
Lexus IS/BMW 3/MB C/Audi A4 - They have too much luxury, too much options, too much power to compare w/ the TSX.
Toyota Camry/Honda Accord/Nissan Altima - They have all the options that the 09 TSX has (or even more); have more trunk space and rear room than the 09 tsx. yet the brand itself is not shinnier than Acura (lol), so you can't directly compare. Or maybe we should only compare to the base model 4-cylinder because all of their V6 will rip us apart? Or should I rephase it like ... "My 09 TSX is terribly slower than your V6, but it has a sportier handling." Should TSX still claim to be a sport sedan? Maybe a slow sport sedan.
I guess TSX can compare to Saab 9-3, given both car are in its own class. But I heard their new one (or already here) has close to 300hp?
And yes, Audi has come a long way, and I love their TT-S, A4, RS6 and R8, now they need a sub-SUV to complete the line up.
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I agree that the TSX is in a class of it's own if you consider that closest cross competitors are neither sporty nor Japanese. I have a hard time figuring out what I would have bought for the same money if the TSX didn't exist. Something that is in many ways worse than the TSX ultimately. Cross shop with a Nissan Altima? Laugh. Saab 9-3; I don't realy know, but no thanks.
04-03-2008, 11:22 PM
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Well, Insideline has said that Mercedes may be releasing a supercharged 4 cylinder version of the C class for less than $33K....even more worries for Acura.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125431
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=125431
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=70&
2.4 Executive 6-speed manual: 0-60 7.6 seconds; top speed 141mph; combined economy 31.0mpg; CO2 emissions: 216g/km; VED Group D £160pa; Emissions Category: EU5. Insurance Group 14E.
2.4 Executive 5-speed automatic: 0-60 8.7 seconds; top speed 141mph; combined economy 30.1mpg; CO2 emissions: 223g/km; VED Group D £160pa; Emissions Category: EU5. Insurance Group 14E
2.4 Executive 6-speed manual: 0-60 7.6 seconds; top speed 141mph; combined economy 31.0mpg; CO2 emissions: 216g/km; VED Group D £160pa; Emissions Category: EU5. Insurance Group 14E.
2.4 Executive 5-speed automatic: 0-60 8.7 seconds; top speed 141mph; combined economy 30.1mpg; CO2 emissions: 223g/km; VED Group D £160pa; Emissions Category: EU5. Insurance Group 14E
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tes...ex.htm?id=282&
C200K manual petrol: 0-60 8.3 seconds; top speed 146mph; 39.8mpg combined; CO2 169 g/km (VED Band E £165pa) EU4. IG TBA.
C200K 5-speed auto petrol: 0-60 8.5 seconds; top speed 143mph; 35.8mpg combined; CO2 187 g/km (VED Band F £205pa) EU4. IG TBA.
C200K manual petrol: 0-60 8.3 seconds; top speed 146mph; 39.8mpg combined; CO2 169 g/km (VED Band E £165pa) EU4. IG TBA.
C200K 5-speed auto petrol: 0-60 8.5 seconds; top speed 143mph; 35.8mpg combined; CO2 187 g/km (VED Band F £205pa) EU4. IG TBA.
4 cylinder MB-C will take sales away from Aud-A4/ IS-250/BMW-328. Most TSX buyers are more value conscious thats why u seem so many autos in 4 cylinder.
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I disagree because they are making the TSX virtually the same price as those other brands. And the TSX is a lot uglier and less sporty, so you are taking away a lot of what made the 1st gen a value and such a great car.
Another thing is brand strength....a lot of people buy luxury cars because of brand, Mercedes and BMW have much more perceived value with that regards. Do you think the TSX would have done as well if it was badged as a Honda in the USA?
Another thing is brand strength....a lot of people buy luxury cars because of brand, Mercedes and BMW have much more perceived value with that regards. Do you think the TSX would have done as well if it was badged as a Honda in the USA?
04-04-2008, 01:03 AM
#74
TSX/EuroAccord looks much better than smaller German Euro cars. and consistentyl won awards across the Globe and not just for one year but continously
And is priced as right in same category as A4/BMW3/C. The reason those German rivals outsells it because they offered 20 kind of engines along with 10 combination. IF honda applies the same strategy. the price of Euro Accord/TSX will sky rocket because it is simply a high quality product.
And is priced as right in same category as A4/BMW3/C. The reason those German rivals outsells it because they offered 20 kind of engines along with 10 combination. IF honda applies the same strategy. the price of Euro Accord/TSX will sky rocket because it is simply a high quality product.
http://www.nextcar.com.au/n.honda.ac...006.05nov.html
We have freshened up the top-selling Euro,” he said. “The car that was judged by Australia’s Best Cars as the Best Mid-Size car over $28,000 is now even better value.”
We have freshened up the top-selling Euro,” he said. “The car that was judged by Australia’s Best Cars as the Best Mid-Size car over $28,000 is now even better value.”
http://www.whatcar.com/news-special-...866&EL=3180703
27 October 2006
HONDA 1st
2005 position 1st
Claims per 100 vehicles 5.2
Average age 5 years
Average mileage 48,265
Average repair cost £175
Average repair time1.75 hours
Problem areas
Honda has a reputation for reliability, and it has achieved first place in our survey. It also builds the two most reliable individual cars: the Accord ('99-'03) is on top of the pile, with just 2.8% requiring warranty work. About 80% of faults were down to the suspension, with the remainder due to electrical problems.
27 October 2006
HONDA 1st
2005 position 1st
Claims per 100 vehicles 5.2
Average age 5 years
Average mileage 48,265
Average repair cost £175
Average repair time1.75 hours
Problem areas
Honda has a reputation for reliability, and it has achieved first place in our survey. It also builds the two most reliable individual cars: the Accord ('99-'03) is on top of the pile, with just 2.8% requiring warranty work. About 80% of faults were down to the suspension, with the remainder due to electrical problems.
http://www.whatcar.com/news-special-...866&EL=3180701
AUDI- 22nd
2005 position 28th
Claims per 100 vehicles 41.1
Average age 4.4 years
Average mileage 51,975
Average repair cost £373
Average repair time 2.6 hours
AUDI- 22nd
2005 position 28th
Claims per 100 vehicles 41.1
Average age 4.4 years
Average mileage 51,975
Average repair cost £373
Average repair time 2.6 hours
04-07-2008, 11:21 PM
#75
Regardless of reliability, looks, etc...
The A4 has some positives, like: engine options, drive train options and possibly more sterile (Euro) looks. That will get you anywhere from $8-$12K more than a TSX with a high-revving 4banger which is fully loaded and redesigned (bigger, wider and with less road noise).
The only thing I know with Audi/Benz/BMW is that when it comes to options, you will pay for every imaginable thing. Just goto the A4 site. the TSX goes for $33K loaded (est). 2008 A4 FWD, 2.0L same options is $37K...
Audi's have come a long way and they deserve a look, and so does the new TSX which looks like a solid ride...
The A4 has some positives, like: engine options, drive train options and possibly more sterile (Euro) looks. That will get you anywhere from $8-$12K more than a TSX with a high-revving 4banger which is fully loaded and redesigned (bigger, wider and with less road noise).
The only thing I know with Audi/Benz/BMW is that when it comes to options, you will pay for every imaginable thing. Just goto the A4 site. the TSX goes for $33K loaded (est). 2008 A4 FWD, 2.0L same options is $37K...
Audi's have come a long way and they deserve a look, and so does the new TSX which looks like a solid ride...
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