Raheel

Just to let you know this is my first car that Im buying new so please give me some tips..

Ok first of all I was thinking of buying the 2003 Accord.. I was almost going to the Honda Lot when I realized that If I get a Fully Loaded Accord W/ Navi, DVD W/ 7in LCD, MP3 Player, and Fully Loaded costs about $35,000.. Thats when people started telling me im being stupid to pay that much for a Accord and that I should look at other cars that are priced that much.. So I heard about 2004 TL and I fell in love with all those features its coming out with, Like Intelligent Cruise Control, Vehicle Stability Assistance, Better Leather than Accord, Auto Lane Changer and all those concepts, Keyless Alarm card, 280-290 HP, and all those goodys.. I am so in love with the 2004 TL Specially since it will be remodeled.. I am a really newbie at Buying a new car.. There are like 10 choices out that there in my $30k - $35k price range.. Should I get a BMW 5 Series, Mercedes C230, 2004 TL, 2003 Accord, Lexus ES300, Toyota Camry, And lots of other stuff.. What car is right for me.. Im more going towards the performance side. Like handling, HP, and Im looking to get a automatic. I mean if I get a Mercedes or BMW its German and the cost is more per month and if something breaks down it costs a fortune to fix. I have heard Mercedes and BMW will give better ride and all those goodies also Owning a Mercedes or BMW is a prestigous thing you know.. So I was wondering What car to get.. NOW I AM SO CONFUSED! I have no clue what to get and totally dying here.. If someone can give me some points.. I want a V6 With good speed. I might do some small mods but nothing too big. I will clean it every other week and take very good care of it. I want a luxurious car with good performance and lots of new features and good body style in preferably Black.. I have no clue what to get PLEASE HELP ME OUT..
PS: This will be a family car for 3 people and wont be driven too much daily I would say maybe 10-20 miles a day at most.. If any more questions please ask... Please help and Reply. Thanks everyone.

SergeyM

$35K for an Accord? Are you talking american money here?

LiQiCE

Do they even have the NAV system available yet? I thought the NAV system wouldnt be available in the Accord until Jan 2003 .. Thats why my friend is waiting to buy his 2003 Accord.

It sounds like the 2004 TL might fit you perfectly though. This discussion will obviously be a little biased since you're on a TL forum, but anyways ... Wait until the 2004 TL comes out and test drive it. If you like it then you know its the car for you ... No sense in speculating right now on a car that isnt even out yet.

Raheel

But I Know nothing to compare to 2004 TL to.. Since this is my first new car I cant compare the 2004 TL After I Test drive it.. Yes the Honda Accord after Tinted and HID Put on by Dealership and Voice Activated Navi, 7 in LCD With DVD, MP3, and many features came to 35 w/ including all the extra features available.

Beiruty

I am looking into 2004 S4... I will still consider 2004 TL if it delivers the goods...

Raheel

O MAN!!! Another car to add to my list a 2004 S4, You have any info on it like from any forums or websites?? ANy Links?

Beiruty

here here: http://www.audiworld.com/news/02/new_s4/

LiQiCE

Well if you have nothing to compare it to ... Go test drive them all! ... I didn't have anything to compare the 2003 TL-S I bought with except my '92 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS and when you double your horsepower you'll always feel like its a lot faster ... The only other car I test drove was a '03 Maxima SE and I honestly loved the TL-S compared to the Maxima SE ... And since my parents and brother all already own Acuras and love them, I figured why not jump on the family bandwagon

But definitely test drive every car ... Thats the best way to see if you'll like it or not ... not because some of us on a forum told you to buy a certain car. There are plenty of good cars out there, and so far the ones you've named are probably all good ... it really comes down mostly to your personal preference.

Of course for cars that havent been announced yet, like the 2004 TL, anything in terms of features and hp are pure speculation and you should take all of it with a grain of salt until Honda themselves releases information on it.

Raheel

Do you know price for the S4 and what special features are leaning you towards it.. IMO It looks gross.

Beiruty

It should be close to 40K...340 HP V8 with tons of torque.. 4WD... great handling and great break... no mods needed..

Raheel

For V8 and AWD It has to be over 40 grand, I would say more around 45-50 Grand.. Where do you figure 40?

terrbear79

the S4 should be about 40k or just slightly over....the 2002 model was just about 39k...inflation should push it to about 40 or 41k.....that's unless they put a hella lot more stuff in it in comparison to the 2002 model. newayz....i agree with the rest of the guys.....go out and test drive them all.....espeically if its ur first car...clear out an afternoon or something and hit them all at once so u get a good comparison

Raheel

O Really 39 Grand for a V8 With 340 HP and AWD? Thats cool its like the passat for about the same price.. I still think the S4 looks gross and AWD is not good for performance and speed but it is better for handling and the speed is great.. I still cant add that to the list maybe maybe only if I really fall in love with it.. But its way too high, I can barely afford $35k for the 2004 TL but whatever's How much is the monthly payment going to be for 60 months? $650 or more for the S4?

Beiruty

probably I will trade my CLS as down payment and finance some $25K more or some $500 a month!

crete

IF $35K is about your limit, from my research with the BMW 5 series and Lexus ES300, those two will start at about the mid $40s. By the time you add the options you want to the BMW , your up to $50K+. The few options for the Lexus will take you to about $50 as well.

You may want to look at the BMW 3 series, the Infiniti G35 has some of what you're looking for also the Lexus IS300.

sidemarker

a fully loaded ES300 is about $38,000 my aunt got one without navi for about 34k drive out.

sidemarker

rysky007

2004TL slyshi, sdec v kansas vse ryskie ilii v acorde illi v acure, ya j staboy pro eto yje razgavarival, acura tL v 04 bydet class, i to sho emet accord v acyre bydet lydshe tak vsegda, gogda vihodet novie acura, ya svau tradany na novau, trust me, eto samaya lytshaya mashina na dengy, ya yje eto vse praveril shto tbI sechas smotrish.

sashok

agean

rysky...wtf????

back on topic...
BMW 5 Series, $$$$ i assume you mean used, correct?
Mercedes C230, way overpriced options, never buy the entry level german car
2004 TL, no arguments here, but lets wait til its actually available before we pass judgement. no one even knows what it will look like/features
2003 Accord, y not buy the tl?
Lexus ES300, i had them priced around 38k, but theyre no fun to drive
Toyota Camry :yack:

SergeyM

Rysky, that's some kind of broken Russian. Did you confuse this board with something else?

twinsteve

I'm betting the new S4 will be $45k+ easy...my 2001 S4 was $42,000 out the door (everything buy Navigation), so I'm betting new S4 will be a good bit more than that.

Look at the way M3 prices have gone up.

noir

I think you are really thinking too early, you haven't even seen what a 04 TL is like, lets not talk about all the "supposed" goodies that you assume will be on the TL, unless there is a real car out there with all the features you are talking about, its not worth while deciding over which car to get....

Raheel

Thanks for all your ideas you guys.. Actually I was thinking something else and wrote 5 series.. I actually meant 3 Series... Also how fast is the 3 series.. The S4 looks like a good choice because of its power and speed! Its so fast and lots of torque and 4WD.. As long as its 40 Grand I Will Consider it.. Also I hate the way it looks, its gross.. Also can someone explain the difference in 4WD and AWD and 4X4?? Also whats better RWD or FWD I've heard one understeers and the other doesnt, Also ones better for handling and the other for performance and racing.. Please Help ME..

EmuMessenger

$35k for the Accord. I just ordered one with Navi, no MP3 and no DVD movie player, but got the EX-V6 and was less than $30k out the door. I cannot imagine the DVD player and the MP3 player pushing the cost up 5K. Additionally, did you say the dealer was going to install Xenon lights?

this is me

Let me ask you this 2004-tL. How eager do you want a car? If you can wait until next year, there's a lot of nice cars you can get with 35k. But if you can't wait and wants a car now. The g-35 is a hot choice along with the z350. I saw a z350 the other day and i was like woah!! should've waited to get that. Back in march, i wanted a car so bad that i can't even sleep when i think about it. My two choices were the G-35 or the TL-S. The G-35 is a very powerful car. But i dun like the reflection of the vent from the windshield-very annoying especailly the interior is black and on a sunny day. So i got a 03 tl-s instead.
now, i assume that you are quite young since this is your first car.
the TL-S is my first car also. Come to think about it. I would rather save the money and get a very cheap car and build up my expereince. You dont want to f*cked up an expensive car. Also, a new car is very time consuming. You always want that baby to be nice and shiny.

Raheel

Well first of all I need to get a 4 Door and this is more what My dad is buying and its more me and my moms car than it is just mine.. Also I have been waiting since July for the 2003 Accord and than I come to figure out that the 2004 TL is coming out so Even though the eager person I am I decided to wait since I know if I get a 2003 Accord and I will literally cry when the 2004 TL Comes out so I decided to wait.. I will wait for new cars as long as I have proof there coming out and any specs.. for example I am waiting for the 2004 TL Till SPring or Fall and by than there should be other cars to look at.. To Emu::: The Accord you got probably is like 32 MSRP and if you add xenon lights and tint by dealer thats about 1 grand and than if you get DVD with 7 in. LCD its $1500 more and the MP3 is about 500 or so dollars and XM Radio marks the car upto $35k msrp Im pretty sure the car can be lowered to $33k if I bargain.. THanks for your input you guys.

Raheel

Also the reason I am going towards the 2004 TL is because it might have Intelligent Cruise Control which is very new thing and will be cool when you show it to others, also it has lots of HP, The Voice Activated Navi System, And lots of little features that will set the 2004 TL From the competition. If you look at the G35 Its very basic car nothing special just Navi with Birdseye view and thats it.. Does the G35 have HID and what else??

Allout

$35K for 2003 Accord? Sticker for a V-6 EX with Nav is $28.2K. In a few months, you'll be able to get within a few hundred dollars of invoice (probably around $25K plus tax and license) I kind of like the 2003 Accord - good value and as all Honda's will have lots of aftermarket items.

One thing I've learned over the years is not to be overly anxious to add accessories to the car that can be added later (i.e. - tinting the windows). I try to keep the initial invoice down as far as I can and still get the base car that I want. In California, your DMV fees are based upon the price you pay for the car. For example, you have the dealer add Xenon lights, tinted windows, alarm system, wheel upgrades,gold kit, etc., you pay DMV a percentage of the value of those dealer add on items for many years because you've increased the purchase price of the car. If you really want to have the dealer do those add on things, do them as a second contract.

Just my two cents.

Good luck with the car. Remember - once you pick and buy your car, don't second guess that you should have got the other one. Just like many things in life, enjoy what you have.

Raheel

Thanks for the information. . The two cars I think fit my budget with things I want are Audi S4 and 2004 TL

My $$ LIMIT $35K
Want Navi, Lots of HP, Good Looking Car, Good Handling, Good Performance, Intelligent Cruise Control, New features that makes the car stand out and makes it look cool to friends and family.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR INFO..

Raheel

Ok Well Im Not Done with this Thread..

I want to know my options for 35k Limit:
G35 Sedan
BMW 3 Series
Lexus IS300

what else can I get for around 35 grand and also tell me why you would go for one car over the other. I want Opinions PEOPLE! Well Anyways What I want is a Sedan, Luxurious with Leather and Navi, Dual Side Temp. and all the other junk.. Also it has to be good handling and good HP.. THANKS!

roadman

2004TL,

You want (for $35K) something that looks cool to your friends and family, is luxurious and fast. What is it that you need this car to do for you. Get the Audi S4 out of your mind, you will be disappointed when you go look at it, first of all because it is small and is more performance oriented than luxurious, and forget the $35K.

Your family is not going to know jack about HP so if you want inpress them get an Acura RL, it is also luxurious has Navi, dual Side Temp and as you require all the other junk and costs less than an Audi S4.

The BMW's well, the 3 is not as fast as the TL-S and luxurious ? and a Sedan (tiny one). The 5 series, way beyond $35k so scratch that from your list.

Looks like for $35k you are back to only the TL-S. Besides how many time are you going to be out cruzzin with the family and come upon a chance to race ???

terrbear79

hey 2004-TL...going through a similar deliemma...i think ur best shot to get everything you want for around 35K is the TL....plus its bigger and more roomy. the G35 would also prolly be a option, but i don't know how much everything would cost with the things you want in it....but it is fast. the bimmer 3...well unless your going for like a 325 the price is gonna be over 35k...easily....bmw makes you pay big time if you want all the nice options that are already standard on the TL....plus its really small inside....i dunno how big you are but at 6'1 it kinda made me feel claustraphobic inside. as for the S4....you can forget it....its at least 40K+ out the door.....and it prolly doesn't even have all that you're looking for.....well that's my take on stuff.....i'm waiting till the first of the year to see what the new TL is acutally gonna look like before i make my decision....if its anything like the previous years TL's you do get alot of bang for your buck.....but on the other hand if it looks anything like the 2003 accord....BLAH.....i'm definitely going for the G35.

Saintor

How can you love a car that nobody saw?

BTW, Accord V6 are more like 23-27K$.

Raheel

LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT FIRST!!! THe Accord Base MSRP W/ Navi is $28k when you add $400 MP3, Spoiler, $1500 DVD W/ entertainment 7in. LCD, Fully loaded with options thats like $2-3k more for all the options.. Thats about $33-35 MSRP and if I can get it lowered it will go to $31-33k at the least especially than I will have the dealer Tint it and install HID Lights.. BUT ON WITH THAT I DONT WANT THE ACCORD ANYMORE I SAW IT IN PERSON AND IT LOOKS LIKE $#/T!

Raheel

What you on crack?? The 2003 RL Base w/ Nav is $45k thats more than a Audi S4 Base. And the RL has only 225 HP and not too much more than TL IMO. I still dont get how a 3.2 TL Engine produces more power than a Acura 3.5 RL Engine? The new TL Is said to have 280-300 HP or more and it will have lots more options to set it apart.. The 3 Series is just as fast as the TL or faster.. Well atleast for now the 3 Series Equals the 2003 TL.. Its not the HP that matters, Look at weight size ratio and its a german car and german cars arent looked on by HP but by actual handling and performance.. I bet a Stock 3 Series can even out or even beat a 2003 Stock TL.. And I never considered the 5 Series that way out of the range as I think.. I was thinking the Mercedes C230 but people say Entry Level Mercedes is not a good buy. And Some people on this forum were saying Audi S4 will be around $40 which is like 340 HP And AWD and I dont mind going $5000 up in my limit for all that power and handling.. Theres a lot more choices as I know but I cant make up my mind.. Im not sure about the New G35 it doesnt have anything special because it just doesnt stand out for some reason. If someone likes the G35 please explain to me why you would consider it.. BTW im talking about the Infinit G35 Sedan not COUPE.. The Coupe is a whole diff story.

Raheel

The Lexus ES300 Is way below $40k you crazy?? The Base MSRP for the car is less than $32k but yes it comes to about 38 or so with Nav but thats not $50k! You might be thinking about GS300 which is still lower than $50k though..

Raheel

So on with all that chit chatting.. I want to know my options for a Car around $35k and Im willing to wait till next summer or more.. Please explain what car you would wait for and why you would pick that car over the other? THANKS ALOT YOU GUYS!

Raheel

So I thought Audi S4 had 340 HP? Guess what its only going to have 300 HP... I read on http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/futur...0/article.html about the car..


"2003 S4 (High-Performance Sport Sedan)
Audi will complete its revamp of the A4 lineup with the introduction of an all-new S4 sometime in 2003. With cars like the 349-hp Mercedes-Benz C32 and the 333-hp M3 already prowling the streets, Audi is rumored to be loading the new S4 with its 300-hp 4.2-liter V8 just to keep up."

Raheel

THIS IS FUNNY Just went to another article on the S4 and it says it will have 340 HP so I dont know
The first article was about 2003 and this one is about 2004 S4

http://www.edmunds.com/future/2004/a...dan/specs.html

Also I dont Think the 2004 Model will be out till 2003 end or 2004 begining

Vin

If you want a nice every day driver, and want to make it really fast, then I suggest the Audi 1.8T motors.

Not too impressive stock, but you can look into a Garret Chip, and APR's turbo upgrades.

Plus you get an all wheel drive system.

GOTHAM818

Get an IS300.