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Got the dash out of the cl looks like I'm gonna have to make a small bracket for the top bolt hole for the clutch pedal. Also not sure if I'm gonna modify the rear air ducts to work anymore, the cl uses a block off plate for where the rear air ducts go so I'll just use that as well to save on the trouble.

Aside from that the wiring looks like it might be a challenge I was originally gonna use the cl dash instead of the tl tan dash but not sure if I can get it to work. But the other moderator in "6 speed conversion" sticky thread said you could use the lower and upper dash harnesses and the cabin to engine harnesses on both side but I'll do some more work tomoro and see what I can come up with. Also asked him for some help so I'll see what he says for the rewiring that he had to do but I'll keep you guys posted.
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OMG, what have you gotten yourself into. Is this what I have to look forward to??? The tinkering is neverending!
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OMG, what have you gotten yourself into. Is this what I have to look forward to??? The tinkering is neverending!
idk man but its nothing i cant handle lol ive heard that only around 10 ppl have done the 6 speed swap in the tl-s so id figured since i got such a good deal on everything id might as well do it to. plus i might build a all motorr setup later down the road and ill need this trans for that lol
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idk man but its nothing i cant handle lol ive heard that only around 10 ppl have done the 6 speed swap in the tl-s so id figured since i got such a good deal on everything id might as well do it to. plus i might build a all motorr setup later down the road and ill need this trans for that lol
MidoriTL, I just went through your thread and it was awesome to following along!

One question though, that I did not see anyone mention. Why not just transfer the 'pulley side' J32 6-speed crank sensor; TB drive pulley and reluctor wheel and TB stopper plate; front cam pulley, cam sensors/backing plate and the water passage stuff from the J32 and put it on your J35? That should be all that's needed to make the J35 'six speed compatible? IIRC, you already have J32 camshafts in the Ody J35 heads. That way you would have a Type-S J35 six speed TL.

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MidoriTL, I just went through your thread and it was awesome to following along!

One question though, that I did not see anyone mention. Why not just transfer the 'pulley side' J32 6-speed crank sensor; TB drive pulley and reluctor wheel and TB stopper plate; front cam pulley, cam sensors/backing plate and the water passage stuff from the J32 and put it on your J35? That should be all that's needed to make the J35 'six speed compatible? IIRC, you already have J32 camshafts in the Ody J35 heads. That way you would have a Type-S J35 six speed TL.
that was the original idea but gonna most likely build the 3.5 to be an even more beefy motor and drop in a high comp 3.5 later on. now that ill have the 6speed I'm not worried about power

and also this is my daily and I need it back soon lol so the extra time can be put into getting it running rather than swapping parts around plus its the older ody motor so im not sure what the power is with the new type s cams so for now ill keep the j32 in play and mess around with the 35 later

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Old 01-09-2018, 11:27 AM
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Gonna most likely build the 3.5 to be an even more beefy motor and drop in a high comp 3.5 later on. now that ill have the 6speed I'm not worried about power

and also this is my daily and I need it back soon lol so the extra time can be put into getting it running rather than swapping parts around
Understandable. Your intention was to pull the J35 to drop in the J32 & 6-speed tranny anyway, correct? If you go as far as pulling the j35 anyway, everything is readily accessible and would probably take less that 90 minutes to swap over. Just a suggestion. Think about it. It's not as involved as it sounds, or should I say to someone with your skillsets, it should not be.
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Understandable. Your intention was to pull the J35 to drop in the J32 & 6-speed tranny anyway, correct? If you go as far as pulling the j35 anyway, everything is readily accessible and would probably take less that 90 minutes to swap over. Just a suggestion. Think about it. It's not as involved as it sounds, or should I say to someone with your skillsets, it should not be.
^ This..

I'm assuming your planning to do the timing belt on the new motor? Doesn't get more convenient than that...
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I love the color of your car! Also that Tundra is a sweet looking truck.
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^ This..

I'm assuming your planning to do the timing belt on the new motor? Doesn't get more convenient than that...
yeah new timing belt and water pump lol no reason not to while its out
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Understandable. Your intention was to pull the J35 to drop in the J32 & 6-speed tranny anyway, correct? If you go as far as pulling the j35 anyway, everything is readily accessible and would probably take less that 90 minutes to swap over. Just a suggestion. Think about it. It's not as involved as it sounds, or should I say to someone with your skillsets, it should not be.
yeah idk how long it would take me to do all the swap stuff. prolly not long too long if i was as well trained on the j series as i am for b and d series lol but this is my first time doing the j series stuff to this extent. but i know the j32 wont disappoint
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yeah idk how long it would take me to do all the swap stuff. prolly not long too long if i was as well trained on the j series as i am for b and d series lol but this is my first time doing the j series stuff to this extent. but i know the j32 wont disappoint
No pressure bruh. Just want to see you maximize every bit of power you can after going through a lot of 'back breaking' effort switching out harnesses and working out gremlins. This mechanical stuff would be cake, even for a first timer. If the J35 ain't burning oil now, then she's got plenty of life left.

I see you've already touched base with Karanx7, he's one smart mofo if you can get him to answer you.

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No, no.. pressure him

Trust me, 6MT/3.5 > *
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Originally Posted by teh CL View Post
No, no.. pressure him

Trust me, 6MT/3.5 > *


MidoriTL, here is an 'impression' of what another forum member thinks after I asked him for feedback in regards to his recent '02 MDX J35A3 swap, with J32 cams in J35 heads, into his CL-S6. He did this swap after burning a hole into his, IIRC, #5 J32 piston after installing a S/C'er without proper tuning. A hard lesson to learn; but, hey he had fun. teh CL, myself and Karanx7 helped him along because he was a 'first timer' also when it came to swapping the J32 6-speed components to his new used J35A3 and, well, the rest is, as they say, history:

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I can EASILY say that a J35a3 wth Type S cams is a must. And for how easily accessible and cheap those engines are I'm surprised I don't see more people swapping them. My J32a2 felt like a beast to me, and it was, but the difference I feel between them is that the J35 has a lot more torque and when punched in 3rd it doesn't let up at all, therefore more HP as well. The power band feels the same throughout the entire gear (3rd). I could say the same for 1st and 2nd but all it does is spin. And if I punch it in 2nd at a low mph (15 mph) it sometimes grips until it hits vtec. That's another BIG difference, it hits vtec MUCH harder than ever before! And is much louder as well! 4th gear pulls hard as well, but I only held it through 4th that time I raced my friends Accord. That car will definitely surprise a lot of high performance cars out there in the streets, but without traction I don't stand a chance against mini vans from a dig. I took 2 of my friends out for a ride and they both said the same exact thing, "Your car feels scary." Lol Now remember, I have also shed quite some weight off this car. At least 300 lbs. So, I know that's another reason why my car moves out faster than most CL's. The last time I ran my car at the track was years ago with full interior and I only had half the mods I have now and ran a 13.6 @ 103 with a 2.2 60ft. So, I know now for sure it would break in the high 12's ONLY if I could find a way to get traction. That 06 Accord with heavy mods and 100 shot nitrous that I beat 3 times on the street ran a 13.2 @ 108 and i was spinning through 2nd every time. But I guess it all doesn't matter until I see dyno numbers and actually run it at the track.
Now mind you, he also has a large millimeter Blox throttle body attached to a 3.7 TL intake manifold and headers with an XLR8 LWFW and clutch kit. They help a little when looking at the big picture.

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Old 01-09-2018, 10:59 PM
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If I had the j35a3 I would prolly keep it but I have the a1 which with its age prolly has about 30-40hp difference in the motor and about 10-20 tq difference. I will prolly end up doing some kind of exhaust in the future. And will prolly do a mild build on a 3.5 for more power. But for what I have now with stock everything I'm just gonna keep it with the j32 and swap it out later if I need to lol. I'm not throughing the motor away or anything just tucking it away for a later use. My main focus is to get the car back up and running with everything working properly haha. Not so much about which motor is better so to speak. Once it's all done it won't take much to swap in a new motor. Just gotta get the hard part over with first lol

And if the a3 are that cheap I might just get one of those instead of using the a1
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Definitely focus on the 6MT swap but don't sleep on the J35. If your able to stretch the down time a day or so it would be a game changer, on top of a game changer that is the 6MT swap..
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Got some more work done today, got the clutch and brake pedals installed and the the driver side wiring done. Then got the motor and 6speed out of the cl ready to do timing belt and water pump. Also got the shifter out and ready for install as well. All that's left is to reinstall the passenger side wiring in the engine bay and I can put the dash back in and process to the motor install. Hopefully will have it all done on Sunday

also so had to make a bracket for the third bolt so I cut up the old auto ebrake bracket to make it work, seems to do the trick also found out that I had to use a 3/4 spacer from the cl when I mounted the clutch pedal






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Nice work.
Just an FYI. Make sure the plastic/rubber 'pedal stopper pads' (#5 on link below) on the clutch pedal are in good shape (i.e. not sticky to touch/crumbly from age) while you have access. Especially the one that interacts with the 'clutch switch assembly (inhibiter)' (#18 on link below). They can turn a good day into a bad one when the car suddenly doesn't want to start.

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Already tested and replaced those lol
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How did you decide where exactly to mount the clutch pedal?
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How did you decide where exactly to mount the clutch pedal?
once you drilled the spot welds off the auto ebrake bracket there were areas where a clutch would have shown through behind it, you just have to cut/drill the holes out and mount in place.
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Looks like you guys all get your wish, I have to do the j35 cause I can't get the crank pulley off the 32 to do the timing belt and water pump lol I'm guessing since this is a northern car it's rusted shut so I'm gonna swap all the manual stuff over tomoro night lol
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Your still gonna need to get that crank pulley off to get the lower timing gear
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You've got a bit of a dilemma there. If you want to run the J35, then you have to get at the J32 6-speed TB drive pulley; crank sensor subharness; timing belt stopper plate and crank sensor assembly, unless you want to buy new. Otherwise, you may have to settle for installing the J32, as is, get it running, iron out any gremlins, then do the timing belt.
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i guess ill load up the motor and trans in my van and take it to a shop and let them zip it off i guess and then swap all the parts over to the j35
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i guess ill load up the motor and trans in my van and take it to a shop and let them zip it off i guess and then swap all the parts over to the j35
Sorry to see you have to do that.

If you do, though, and do in fact go forward with making the J35A1 '6-speed compatible' remember that you have to take the J32 front head cam pulley, cam sensors/backing plate. So, while you are there at the shop, have them loosen the front cam pulley bolt. You may or may not need to take the water passage stuff. On the '02 MDX J35A3 the 'connecting pipe', #11 on the link below, is different than the J32 so keep that in mind. Not sure if the connection pipe on the J35A1 is or not.

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Sorry to see you have to do that.

If you do, though, and do in fact go forward with making the J35A1 '6-speed compatible' remember that you have to take the J32 front head cam pulley, cam sensors/backing plate. So, while you are there at the shop, have them loosen the front cam pulley bolt. You may or may not need to take the water passage stuff. On the '02 MDX J35A3 the 'connecting pipe', #11 on the link below, is different than the J32 so keep that in mind. Not sure if the connection pipe on the J35A1 is or not.

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yeah the j35a1 already has the type s pip and thermo as well so it should be okay, i have a impact to get those bolts off so im good there i think the only one stuck is the crank bolt
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Just another FYI.

There are two other 'anomalies' you should be aware of to avoid confusion/frustration, if/when, you run into them, when making the J35A1 6-speed compatible.

1) You will probably find that the '00 J35A1 you have will not have an upper flange bolt attachment point for the 'J32 timing belt stopper plate' (#38 on the link below) on the 'oil pump assembly'. Just secure it with the lower flange bolt/nut, which ever one is present, when attaching the crank sensor.

https://www.oemacuraparts.com/auto-p...-strainer-scat

2) The front head of your '00 J35A1 likely has a 'Thermo switch assembly' (#8 on the link below). This switch assembly does not exist on the J32A2 front head from the 6-speed. Therefore, you will probably wonder why there is no related connector on the transferred CL-6 harness, just tuck the connector out of the way.

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Zeta Can you give me a list of what all I need to swap out that way I don't miss anything?
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One question though, that I did not see anyone mention. Why not just transfer the 'pulley side' J32 6-speed crank sensor; TB drive pulley and reluctor wheel and TB stopper plate; front cam pulley, cam sensors/backing plate and the water passage stuff from the J32 and put it on your J35? That should be all that's needed to make the J35 'six speed compatible? IIRC, you already have J32 camshafts in the Ody J35 heads. That way you would have a Type-S J35 six speed TL.
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Zeta Can you give me a list of what all I need to swap out that way I don't miss anything?
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To make the J35A1 6-speed compatible, It's all in post #245 above. If you want reference pictures of all I've been discussing in the posts above refer to the link below starting at post #385; page 10, everything you need has been brought forth in that thread.

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Well after much deliberation and a couple trips into town with the motor I got a big enough breaker bar to get the pulley bolt off and now it's 12pm and I have a crap ton to do lol



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Zeta do you know the flywheel and clutch tq specs?
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Zeta do you know the flywheel and clutch tq specs?
per the Helm's:

flywheel mounting bolts 76 lbf-ft; crisscross pattern in several steps

pressure plate mounting torque; 19lbf-ft; (180 degrees apart) using a star pattern in several steps.
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Got the flywheel and clutch on along with the rest of the mounts and half shaft and finished putting on all the timing belt side sensors and such and got the trans bolted up and ready for the reinstall, hopefully tomoro night if the weather holds off.




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So....how did getting all the GPS-related parts out, go?
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So....how did getting all the GPS-related parts out, go?
I've got the front stuff out but haven't dug into the rear get to get the rest lol
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nice progress! I'd love to have a J35 TL 6speed!
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