03 TL-S 124,000 miles...going in for oil jet recall tomorrow...
10-03-2011, 11:57 AM
#1
03 TL-S 124,000 miles...going in for oil jet recall tomorrow...
Finally bringing her in for the oil jet recall tomorrow...
I am looking to see if anyone here has done the same but had the dealer tech's find heat discoloration and get a free transmission? I am highly hoping this is the case because I want to have this car for a while. I know I am driving on borrowed time.
Please share your insight and thoughts, especially those who took it in for the inspection/recall and had their transmission's replaced free of charge!
Thanks everyone
I am looking to see if anyone here has done the same but had the dealer tech's find heat discoloration and get a free transmission? I am highly hoping this is the case because I want to have this car for a while. I know I am driving on borrowed time.
Please share your insight and thoughts, especially those who took it in for the inspection/recall and had their transmission's replaced free of charge!
Thanks everyone
10-03-2011, 03:51 PM
#2
if they find it- replacement transmission,,and a loaner car!
damage not present,,install oil jet kit and keep driving
damage not present,,install oil jet kit and keep driving
10-04-2011, 07:16 AM
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In all my years here i have only seen 1 with it.
10-04-2011, 08:52 AM
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10-04-2011, 10:57 AM
#6
nev--chill,,,most had this done many years ago when it was issued in 2004
wait for the call
wait for the call
10-04-2011, 11:16 AM
#7
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I brought my 03 Type-S in at 140k for an oil jet install last year with no signs of transmission problems. They did end up replacing the transmission at no cost.
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10-04-2011, 08:27 PM
#9
skirm- if your trans is post 2005 - it has the oil jet kit moved internal
with the new case design
PShep- they HAD to have found the heat damage to 2nd gear shaft or they would not have given you a free transmission!
It may have shifted fine- which has nothing to do with the part and failure in question
with the new case design
PShep- they HAD to have found the heat damage to 2nd gear shaft or they would not have given you a free transmission!
It may have shifted fine- which has nothing to do with the part and failure in question
10-04-2011, 08:27 PM
#10
nev= I see you are on--driving a loaner car or back in yours?
10-04-2011, 11:53 PM
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10-05-2011, 02:06 AM
#12
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skirm- if your trans is post 2005 - it has the oil jet kit moved internal
with the new case design
PShep- they HAD to have found the heat damage to 2nd gear shaft or they would not have given you a free transmission!
It may have shifted fine- which has nothing to do with the part and failure in question
with the new case design
PShep- they HAD to have found the heat damage to 2nd gear shaft or they would not have given you a free transmission!
It may have shifted fine- which has nothing to do with the part and failure in question
Nope mine is Original just Shop Rebuilted Internally has no Jet Kit either, just the Clutches are Kevlar.
10-05-2011, 09:33 AM
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10-05-2011, 10:54 AM
#14
when the problem was addressed by the recall some 7 years ago,,there were large numbers of them replaced at the time from the heat damage (per the cool head tech at dealer near me)
There were also many of them downshifting into 2nd gear,, on the freeway!!
neither of which you hear much about now
nev: sounds like the service writer didnt bother to tell parts dept you were coming in--few dealers have one of the kits laying around on the shelf, have to order from parts system, a day or 2 to get
and/or
In the meantime- they should be performing and looking at the boroscope results, making a decision if its heat damaged--change the parts order to trans,,from jet kit
everyone is putting in a good thought towards a freebie for you!
There were also many of them downshifting into 2nd gear,, on the freeway!!
neither of which you hear much about now
nev: sounds like the service writer didnt bother to tell parts dept you were coming in--few dealers have one of the kits laying around on the shelf, have to order from parts system, a day or 2 to get
and/or
In the meantime- they should be performing and looking at the boroscope results, making a decision if its heat damaged--change the parts order to trans,,from jet kit
everyone is putting in a good thought towards a freebie for you!
10-05-2011, 10:55 AM
#15
Phep- you said it was replaced at no cost? but not an acura warranty?
good friend owns a trans shop?
kevlar clutches are not the part being cooled by the jet kit
good friend owns a trans shop?
kevlar clutches are not the part being cooled by the jet kit
10-05-2011, 11:35 AM
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At no cost to me, the oil-jet install recall had not yet been done so they inspected the 2nd gear clutch and found said heat damage.
10-05-2011, 03:36 PM
#19
if you were notified of the recall- make an appointment ASAP!!
if you have no idea what we are talking about
call 1 800 382 2238x5 with your cars VIN number handy
if you have no idea what we are talking about
call 1 800 382 2238x5 with your cars VIN number handy
10-06-2011, 12:51 PM
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However unlikely it may be, if they do decide to throw you a transmission, be sure to have the rear main seal replaced while the transmission is off. Two or three days after having my transmission replaced, I had oil spots all over my driveway.
10-07-2011, 09:56 AM
#23
UPDATE: Inspection of gear was done, and NO heat damage was found. The tech said he has photos of the procedure for me to see and no 'blue' color was seen.
Picking the car up later today, I now officially have the oil jet kit + airbag recall.
It's hard to give back the 2011 TL Tech, the thing drives beautifully, and I REALLY want a 2012 TL now after the body re-design.
Here's hoping to my transmission holding on from here on out...(crosses fingers)
Picking the car up later today, I now officially have the oil jet kit + airbag recall.
It's hard to give back the 2011 TL Tech, the thing drives beautifully, and I REALLY want a 2012 TL now after the body re-design.
Here's hoping to my transmission holding on from here on out...(crosses fingers)
10-07-2011, 11:21 AM
#24
do needed services so it runs perfect and sell it now!!
no worries over the trans life then~
no worries over the trans life then~
10-10-2011, 08:21 AM
#26
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UPDATE: I want Kris' and Tom's opinion on these photos. This is what was provided to me by my dealership supposedly showing no heat discoloration on the 2nd gear shaft.
Since I am not an expert on the internal workings of the 03' TL-S transmission, I would like some people's opinions on what these photos are.
I just want to make sure I wasn't being screwed with here. Oil jet kit was installed...(i was hoping for transmission replacement)
They seem like they were taken with a digital camera, and not a boroscope one. Anyone who can chime in here and provide some feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Since I am not an expert on the internal workings of the 03' TL-S transmission, I would like some people's opinions on what these photos are.
I just want to make sure I wasn't being screwed with here. Oil jet kit was installed...(i was hoping for transmission replacement)
They seem like they were taken with a digital camera, and not a boroscope one. Anyone who can chime in here and provide some feedback would be greatly appreciated.
10-10-2011, 09:17 AM
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10-10-2011, 09:52 AM
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UPDATE: I want Kris' and Tom's opinion on these photos. This is what was provided to me by my dealership supposedly showing no heat discoloration on the 2nd gear shaft.
Since I am not an expert on the internal workings of the 03' TL-S transmission, I would like some people's opinions on what these photos are.
I just want to make sure I wasn't being screwed with here. Oil jet kit was installed...(i was hoping for transmission replacement)
They seem like they were taken with a digital camera, and not a boroscope one. Anyone who can chime in here and provide some feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Since I am not an expert on the internal workings of the 03' TL-S transmission, I would like some people's opinions on what these photos are.
I just want to make sure I wasn't being screwed with here. Oil jet kit was installed...(i was hoping for transmission replacement)
They seem like they were taken with a digital camera, and not a boroscope one. Anyone who can chime in here and provide some feedback would be greatly appreciated.
10-10-2011, 10:02 AM
#29
I need all the expert opinions here on what these photos illustrate so I have a case to bring up with the service writer/manager.
I specifically asked them to provide photos from the boroscope inspection of the 2nd gear shaft so I could see, and this is what they provided. Hrmm...
10-10-2011, 11:24 AM
#30
thats a nice pic of a gear taken as a macro/close up thru the normal atf filler port
Thats where they install the oil jet kit,
a boroscope is essentially the old school name for the now common `fiber-optic wand` with a light- slips in past the gears and direct to the shafts inside
blue is heat damaged metal - pretty hard to see on a gear like that, AND not the
part at issue
Ask the SM in person- what are these supposed to represent?
was the SM in on your appointment and request- or just the sw
Does their boroscope have a `capture mode`?--like the one you can get a harbor freight will do! I would think so
If the dealer sends a core (your old trans) back claiming warranty by heat-
the rebuilding shop has to find that damage, or corp isnt paying them = not granting warranty payment for the unit and labor = dealer out some 2 grand in cash
Seems logical they would pic document the failure for corp and send with warranty request,,
but thays just logic,, not the real world
Warranty parts are diagnosed for type of failure and tagged & bagged, then ckd by the local warranty rep-- and sent for rebuild or destroyed (so no one can use the same bad part over and over to show the rep,,collecting on jobs never done!)
from a legal standpoint on the trans: they are not out to deny you a trans IF there was the correct damage, dealer gets paid if there is a real problem
their liabilty,, should the shaft break on you at freeway speeds = you cartwheel and spin in front of heavy traffic going over 70mph, get slammed into the wall, back into traffic--all with the front wheels stopped ~~
(worst case scenario used for scare factor)
a good attorney would have the trans inspected to determine failure
If its the same part they just told you was fine,,you are getting more than a trans free~
ever want to own an acura dealership??
Thats where they install the oil jet kit,
a boroscope is essentially the old school name for the now common `fiber-optic wand` with a light- slips in past the gears and direct to the shafts inside
blue is heat damaged metal - pretty hard to see on a gear like that, AND not the
part at issue
Ask the SM in person- what are these supposed to represent?
was the SM in on your appointment and request- or just the sw
Does their boroscope have a `capture mode`?--like the one you can get a harbor freight will do! I would think so
If the dealer sends a core (your old trans) back claiming warranty by heat-
the rebuilding shop has to find that damage, or corp isnt paying them = not granting warranty payment for the unit and labor = dealer out some 2 grand in cash
Seems logical they would pic document the failure for corp and send with warranty request,,
but thays just logic,, not the real world
Warranty parts are diagnosed for type of failure and tagged & bagged, then ckd by the local warranty rep-- and sent for rebuild or destroyed (so no one can use the same bad part over and over to show the rep,,collecting on jobs never done!)
from a legal standpoint on the trans: they are not out to deny you a trans IF there was the correct damage, dealer gets paid if there is a real problem
their liabilty,, should the shaft break on you at freeway speeds = you cartwheel and spin in front of heavy traffic going over 70mph, get slammed into the wall, back into traffic--all with the front wheels stopped ~~
(worst case scenario used for scare factor)
a good attorney would have the trans inspected to determine failure
If its the same part they just told you was fine,,you are getting more than a trans free~
ever want to own an acura dealership??
Last edited by 01tl4tl; 10-10-2011 at 11:33 AM.
10-10-2011, 11:29 AM
#31
did the SW put: Customer request pics of inspection,,, on the invoice
If not it was a forgotten request,
after the jet kit was already installed= they had to take it back out and grab a camera
snap a few pics and send you down the road,,
pita kid,, waits 8 years for a recall trying to screw us for a trans--they grumble as you drive away
If not it was a forgotten request,
after the jet kit was already installed= they had to take it back out and grab a camera
snap a few pics and send you down the road,,
pita kid,, waits 8 years for a recall trying to screw us for a trans--they grumble as you drive away
Last edited by 01tl4tl; 10-10-2011 at 11:36 AM.
10-10-2011, 11:42 AM
#32
the service Writers job is to ~create a work of fiction to satisfy the customer~
why do you think they call them writers!!
(disclosure-guess who used to be one)
the MANAGER is responsible for ALL the operations in that dept.
they talk to corp warranty rep, they take heat from corp for survey comments with less than all 10s!, all phone and written complaints to corp get sent right to the SM too
writers job is to bs
managers job is to make sure you are able to give all 10s on the survey card, or resolve whatever issues BEFORE you leave with your car!!
why do you think they call them writers!!
(disclosure-guess who used to be one)
the MANAGER is responsible for ALL the operations in that dept.
they talk to corp warranty rep, they take heat from corp for survey comments with less than all 10s!, all phone and written complaints to corp get sent right to the SM too
writers job is to bs
managers job is to make sure you are able to give all 10s on the survey card, or resolve whatever issues BEFORE you leave with your car!!
10-10-2011, 12:28 PM
#33
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so does is the recall for all 99-03 tl's regardless of miles? I was under the assumption it was 7 years and 114000 miles? I'm the 2nd owner of an 03 tl and I am not sure if it has been done yet on it but I am in the middle of taking out the tranny to rebuild it. Should I take it up there and have them look at it? Will they charge me to check?
10-10-2011, 02:20 PM
#35
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so does is the recall for all 99-03 tl's regardless of miles? I was under the assumption it was 7 years and 114000 miles? I'm the 2nd owner of an 03 tl and I am not sure if it has been done yet on it but I am in the middle of taking out the tranny to rebuild it. Should I take it up there and have them look at it? Will they charge me to check?
10-10-2011, 03:29 PM
#36
Can you take a look at the photos I posted, I'd like your opinion on what my dealer provided me...
Thanks!
10-10-2011, 04:55 PM
#37
you can call acura, register as the owner and ask if its been done,
and if any other OPEN recalls still need to be addressed
1 800 382 2238 x5 have VIN handy
or simply open hood and look at the top of the trans
is there a large bolt on top with `ATF` stamped on it?
or a funky small hose and thing in that same hole- with a small bracket holding it on- secured by 1 small bolt,,thats the oil jet kit
and if any other OPEN recalls still need to be addressed
1 800 382 2238 x5 have VIN handy
or simply open hood and look at the top of the trans
is there a large bolt on top with `ATF` stamped on it?
or a funky small hose and thing in that same hole- with a small bracket holding it on- secured by 1 small bolt,,thats the oil jet kit
10-10-2011, 04:55 PM
#38
you can do a search for oil jet kit pics online
10-10-2011, 07:16 PM
#39
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Those look like external pics taken with a camera but it doesnt mean that they didnt use a borescope and inspect for damage. I dont know why you think they might be trying to screw you. The dealer isnt loosing money from it if they have to, it comes from Acura. If you are that concerned with it call the dealer and ask for pics from the borescope inspection done inside
10-11-2011, 06:41 PM
#40
From the pictures your second gear is fine. I work at an Acura dealer and just did one of these recalls, if the gear is really dark and you're able to get rid of some darkness with a flathead, then that gear has heat marks, and the dealer will replace your transmission. If no heat mark is found, then they'll just add an oil jet
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