Keyless Entry / Immobilizer Disabled
10-14-2012, 07:53 AM
#1
Keyless Entry / Immobilizer Disabled
Last night I purchased a 2006 Acura RL. I was told it was a repossesion and therefore had no key fobs or original acura keys. They are flat metal (unchipped keys) and are branded "Ilco" which leads me to believe that are locks and ignition cylinder where changed out and the immobilizer was disabled. The basic key works for the doors and ignition. 3 turns of the key still put the windows and sunroof open or close them based on unlock or lock direction. My question is if there is anyway to get an original acura key fob programmed for the keyless entry only, without going to an aftermarket unit? I understand that I won't be able to do remote start, which I am fine with, but I would like to have the keyless entry. I am open to any suggestions anyone may have.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
10-14-2012, 09:10 AM
#2
Suzuka Master
iTrader: (1)
1. welcome.
2. the search feature will be your friend:
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/getting-second-key-fob-816116/
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/need-key-fob-2005-acura-rl-699061/
3. If you want easy... go to the dealer, ask them to sync a key fob and hand over 500 dollars.
2. the search feature will be your friend:
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/getting-second-key-fob-816116/
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/need-key-fob-2005-acura-rl-699061/
3. If you want easy... go to the dealer, ask them to sync a key fob and hand over 500 dollars.
10-14-2012, 06:12 PM
#4
If there was a key fob located in the car somewhere, he'd be able to start it with no physical key at all. That doesn't sounds like the case.
I'm stumped...
10-14-2012, 08:32 PM
#7
Instructor
...and what if the dealer threw away the little default black handle on the ignition switch
the OP would likely assume he needs the key for the door and the key for the ign
the OP would likely assume he needs the key for the door and the key for the ign
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10-15-2012, 08:29 AM
#8
When I looked at the ignition, I only see a little piece of black plastic remaining. Looks like it was ripped out. They key that I have is used to both unlock the door and start the car. It works in both. I also noticed in the message center that it stated that the keyless system has an issue and may not work.
10-15-2012, 08:47 AM
#9
Senior Moderator
Normally we can come up with a way to avoid people having to visit the stealership, but that appears to be your number one option.
10-15-2012, 08:51 AM
#10
. I will try to give them a call this week to see what they say and can do.I am fine with an aftermarket keyless entry system, if that's what I need to do.
10-15-2012, 09:04 AM
#11
Suzuka Master
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thats the path of least resistance, and worst case you just get an estimate.
They can check that all the necessary pieces are working, sell you a FOB, program it, and warranty the work.
Then if it fails you are mildly covered if/when something fails.
What I would be prepared for is if one of the door handles failed, that could be another issue on its own.
They can check that all the necessary pieces are working, sell you a FOB, program it, and warranty the work.
Then if it fails you are mildly covered if/when something fails.
What I would be prepared for is if one of the door handles failed, that could be another issue on its own.
10-15-2012, 09:48 AM
#12
Torch & Pitchfork Posse
It may be a stretch, but I would be concerned that the RL is still programmed to the original fobs. Do you know that you are not in the locale of the owners from which is was repossessed? RLs are not that common and you could be a victim of exclusive coincidence.
I agree with the above posts. The dealer is your best option to 'reset' the proximity / immobilizer features. It will not only reset the security of the car, but then you have engaged the dealer as to the security liability by performing the spec work.
I agree with the above posts. The dealer is your best option to 'reset' the proximity / immobilizer features. It will not only reset the security of the car, but then you have engaged the dealer as to the security liability by performing the spec work.
10-15-2012, 12:57 PM
#14
When I looked at the ignition, I only see a little piece of black plastic remaining. Looks like it was ripped out. They key that I have is used to both unlock the door and start the car. It works in both. I also noticed in the message center that it stated that the keyless system has an issue and may not work.
Can you snap photos of the key, the ignition switch, and the instrument cluster when the car is running?
A picture is worth a thousand words and will give all of us a better idea of what is or isn't normal on your car.
10-15-2012, 01:27 PM
#15
Instructor
I wonder if the dealer's diag/setup computer really could do the disable? I'd sure be surprised if that's possible.
Then again, I have no idea how the immobilizer works:
prevent turning the motor over with the starter ?
cut the ign or fuel ?
all of the above ?
Anyway, you can't live without remote keyless entry and even better the proximity fob activation of the door handle unlock/lock is super nice.
Then again, I have no idea how the immobilizer works:
prevent turning the motor over with the starter ?
cut the ign or fuel ?
all of the above ?
Anyway, you can't live without remote keyless entry and even better the proximity fob activation of the door handle unlock/lock is super nice.
10-15-2012, 03:28 PM
#16
I wonder if the dealer's diag/setup computer really could do the disable? I'd sure be surprised if that's possible.
Then again, I have no idea how the immobilizer works:
prevent turning the motor over with the starter ?
cut the ign or fuel ?
all of the above ?
Anyway, you can't live without remote keyless entry and even better the proximity fob activation of the door handle unlock/lock is super nice.
Then again, I have no idea how the immobilizer works:
prevent turning the motor over with the starter ?
cut the ign or fuel ?
all of the above ?
Anyway, you can't live without remote keyless entry and even better the proximity fob activation of the door handle unlock/lock is super nice.
That's why I'm curious to see pictures...
10-15-2012, 04:12 PM
#17
Senior Moderator
How do we know the immobilizer is disabled? Is someone suggesting that if I have an exact copy of my physical key but no fob, I cannot start my car?
10-15-2012, 04:13 PM
#18
10-15-2012, 04:21 PM
#19
Senior Moderator
So what is the point of having a physical key? If the fob or the immobilizer malfunctions, the car won't start?
10-15-2012, 04:24 PM
#20
The OP said he has Ilco keys with NO chip. And he says that's what he uses on the doors AND to start the car. Thus, if that is really the case, the immobilizer must be disabled somehow... which is what is leading me to wonder how that is possible.
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10-15-2012, 04:29 PM
#21
^ I'm wondering the same thing.
Seems like it would have been easier and not that much more costly if at all for the reposessor/seller to get a new FOB and have it programmed.
Seems like it would have been easier and not that much more costly if at all for the reposessor/seller to get a new FOB and have it programmed.
10-15-2012, 04:33 PM
#22
EXACTLY! It would be FAR FAR easier for someone to either get a replacement FOB or replacement KEY programmed into the car than it is to try to disable the immobilizer. Doesn't make sense. That's why I want to see pictures!
10-15-2012, 04:47 PM
#23
Senior Moderator
OIC. I'm on board now.
10-15-2012, 05:56 PM
#25
I am currently out of town on business travel and the car is at the airport. When I get back (late Friday night) I will take some pics of the ignition, key, and dash. I didn't get a chance to call the dealer yet. I am trying to do that sometime this week to at least setup an appointment and see what they can do. The car was repossessed in 2010 in Michigan. I live in Southeast Ohio.
10-15-2012, 06:03 PM
#26
Hopefully you did not open the trunk lid with the button on the door when you parked car at airport and/or previous owner had the software updated.
But if you have a dead battery when you get back, that would be the reason
Edit: Actually, not sure that this problem was in 2006. Was for sure in 2005.
But if you have a dead battery when you get back, that would be the reason
Edit: Actually, not sure that this problem was in 2006. Was for sure in 2005.
Last edited by getakey; 10-15-2012 at 06:07 PM.
10-15-2012, 06:13 PM
#27
Torch & Pitchfork Posse
Speculating again....
But I remember reading a post where an RL owner configured a remote starter by taking the OEM physical key (chipped) and hiding in the dash so the immobilizer recognized the key and permitted the remote start device.
Is it possible the re-seller of the car kept the fobs but put the physical key in the car somewhere and cut another set? That way the immobilizer would be satisfied and the cut keys would 'replace' the fobs they kept?
Still, my concern is that the RL is programmed to fobs / chipped keys that you are not in possession. I would want that changed as I would want the locks changed on a new house.
But I remember reading a post where an RL owner configured a remote starter by taking the OEM physical key (chipped) and hiding in the dash so the immobilizer recognized the key and permitted the remote start device.
Is it possible the re-seller of the car kept the fobs but put the physical key in the car somewhere and cut another set? That way the immobilizer would be satisfied and the cut keys would 'replace' the fobs they kept?
Still, my concern is that the RL is programmed to fobs / chipped keys that you are not in possession. I would want that changed as I would want the locks changed on a new house.
10-15-2012, 06:17 PM
#28
Hopefully you did not open the trunk lid with the button on the door when you parked car at airport and/or previous owner had the software updated.
But if you have a dead battery when you get back, that would be the reason
Edit: Actually, not sure that this problem was in 2006. Was for sure in 2005.
But if you have a dead battery when you get back, that would be the reason
Edit: Actually, not sure that this problem was in 2006. Was for sure in 2005.
I sure did use the trunk button on the door at the airport.
10-15-2012, 06:58 PM
#29
Speculating again....
But I remember reading a post where an RL owner configured a remote starter by taking the OEM physical key (chipped) and hiding in the dash so the immobilizer recognized the key and permitted the remote start device.
Is it possible the re-seller of the car kept the fobs but put the physical key in the car somewhere and cut another set? That way the immobilizer would be satisfied and the cut keys would 'replace' the fobs they kept?
Still, my concern is that the RL is programmed to fobs / chipped keys that you are not in possession. I would want that changed as I would want the locks changed on a new house.
But I remember reading a post where an RL owner configured a remote starter by taking the OEM physical key (chipped) and hiding in the dash so the immobilizer recognized the key and permitted the remote start device.
Is it possible the re-seller of the car kept the fobs but put the physical key in the car somewhere and cut another set? That way the immobilizer would be satisfied and the cut keys would 'replace' the fobs they kept?
Still, my concern is that the RL is programmed to fobs / chipped keys that you are not in possession. I would want that changed as I would want the locks changed on a new house.
10-15-2012, 07:52 PM
#30
Instructor
Exactly. There's a key (or fob) or whatever the proximity device is somewhere in the car (dash, steering column).
I figure the dealer had only one key and copied it several times for the new owner to have more than one. Don't know about RL's but it's common on a Toyota with a remote start to require a chipped key stuck inside the steering column near the ign key lock cylinder. The chip has to be in close proximity to its sweet spot.
Another even more likely possibility is that the car had an aftermarket remote start (with chipped key stuffed in the column) being a cold weather Mich car and the dealer cut some plain keys based on the vin number.
I figure the dealer had only one key and copied it several times for the new owner to have more than one. Don't know about RL's but it's common on a Toyota with a remote start to require a chipped key stuck inside the steering column near the ign key lock cylinder. The chip has to be in close proximity to its sweet spot.
Another even more likely possibility is that the car had an aftermarket remote start (with chipped key stuffed in the column) being a cold weather Mich car and the dealer cut some plain keys based on the vin number.
10-15-2012, 08:47 PM
#32
Exactly. There's a key (or fob) or whatever the proximity device is somewhere in the car (dash, steering column).
I figure the dealer had only one key and copied it several times for the new owner to have more than one. Don't know about RL's but it's common on a Toyota with a remote start to require a chipped key stuck inside the steering column near the ign key lock cylinder. The chip has to be in close proximity to its sweet spot.
Another even more likely possibility is that the car had an aftermarket remote start (with chipped key stuffed in the column) being a cold weather Mich car and the dealer cut some plain keys based on the vin number.
I figure the dealer had only one key and copied it several times for the new owner to have more than one. Don't know about RL's but it's common on a Toyota with a remote start to require a chipped key stuck inside the steering column near the ign key lock cylinder. The chip has to be in close proximity to its sweet spot.
Another even more likely possibility is that the car had an aftermarket remote start (with chipped key stuffed in the column) being a cold weather Mich car and the dealer cut some plain keys based on the vin number.
10-15-2012, 08:53 PM
#33
Senior Moderator
10-15-2012, 09:21 PM
#36
clearly the remote start is the critical clue as Tampa clued in to
must be chipped key in the car somewhere
must be chipped key in the car somewhere
10-18-2012, 11:13 AM
#37
Hopefully the OP will be back and provide an update
10-18-2012, 02:37 PM
#39
Senior Moderator
I remember when I first joined and only checked this forum once a week. Now, I am just a whore. 
This has minor resemblances to the person who lost their key in the car, and we all told him against his belief it was there. He came back eventually, and it was.
OP, do you have the cover/key that comes with the car and is used when the fob is present? If that works, we would know the chip must be present then as well.
This has minor resemblances to the person who lost their key in the car, and we all told him against his belief it was there. He came back eventually, and it was.
OP, do you have the cover/key that comes with the car and is used when the fob is present? If that works, we would know the chip must be present then as well.
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10-18-2012, 02:40 PM
#40
I'm a little confused on the key icon that lights and then goes out during startup. So, if the key is not present that light will stay on? But, how does the car start if the key is not present and the immobilizer works?
Wondering the purpose of the key icon light
Wondering the purpose of the key icon light