V6 gone in '18 for some Acura/Honda models?
04-26-2017, 07:37 AM
#1
Racer
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V6 gone in '18 for some Acura/Honda models?
From an Accord forum...
"I do believe the V6 is gone because I talked to someone that helps build the Accords and he said 1.5T and 2.0T for upper trims. It also seems the 2.0T will be mated with the new 10 speed transmission."
"I do believe the V6 is gone because I talked to someone that helps build the Accords and he said 1.5T and 2.0T for upper trims. It also seems the 2.0T will be mated with the new 10 speed transmission."
04-26-2017, 07:58 AM
#2
Pro
That has been known for some time now. I suspect the next gen RDX will follow suit with a 2.0T itself. Here's hoping the DI V6 will make an appearance as well, but I am not counting on it.
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YeuEmMaiMai (04-27-2017)
04-27-2017, 04:22 PM
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04-27-2017, 09:03 PM
#6
If they get rid of the V6 (which I doubt they will), I wouldn't buy another vehicle from Honda/Acura based on that alone. The engine is the heart of the vehicle, and the Acura V6 is buttery smooth, switching to a 4 cylinder would drastically reduce the value of the vehicle.
04-28-2017, 11:58 AM
#7
Touring
If they get rid of the V6 (which I doubt they will), I wouldn't buy another vehicle from Honda/Acura based on that alone. The engine is the heart of the vehicle, and the Acura V6 is buttery smooth, switching to a 4 cylinder would drastically reduce the value of the vehicle.
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04-28-2017, 12:23 PM
#8
The MDX-V6 hybrid press release was the first thing I saw this morning...claims +30hp moar.
I'd venture to guess that the little brother RDX will get hand-me-downs or share CRV features.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...SMk?li=BBnb4R5
I'd venture to guess that the little brother RDX will get hand-me-downs or share CRV features.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...SMk?li=BBnb4R5
04-28-2017, 02:19 PM
#9
Hoping they keep the 6 cylinder for the RDX update.
04-28-2017, 04:41 PM
#10
Pro
04-28-2017, 05:13 PM
#11
Carbon Bronze Pearl 2008
With that said, these modern turbo 4s are getting sick and I can easily see 300+ H.P. rated engines in premium vehicles. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the 3.5 V6 in my 2016 RDX but I would easily consider a turbo 4 again if it pulled the specs I like.
04-28-2017, 06:01 PM
#12
Drifting
I had a 1st Gen RDX (2008 Model) for almost eight years. It had a 2.3 liter 4-Banger turbo. Rated at 240 H.P. and 260 lbs/ft torque. Fantastic engine. That little RDX was fast. Truth be told, I believe the engine specs were purposely underrated for insurance reasons.
With that said, these modern turbo 4s are getting sick and I can easily see 300+ H.P. rated engines in premium vehicles. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the 3.5 V6 in my 2016 RDX but I would easily consider a turbo 4 again if it pulled the specs I like.
With that said, these modern turbo 4s are getting sick and I can easily see 300+ H.P. rated engines in premium vehicles. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the 3.5 V6 in my 2016 RDX but I would easily consider a turbo 4 again if it pulled the specs I like.
05-01-2017, 09:56 PM
#13
Intermediate
I have to agree. I liked my '11 RDX. It was a rocket and SH-AWD was great. I usually had decent gas mileage with the Turbo-4. However, I generally prefer the V6, better mileage and no turbo lag. Oh, and quieter. That said, at this point, I'm fairly resigned to my next vehicle having a turbo-4, be that an NX, GLC, RDX or an XC60, but I'm still holding out hope that Acura will stay with a V6 option on the next RDX change.
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colt427 (05-06-2017)
05-06-2017, 08:55 AM
#17
Acura is a luxury brand, it was the first Japanese auto luxury brand to enter the north american market. It competes with Lexus and the German luxury brands. What makes it luxury? Look at what the vehicles offer, especially when fully loaded and compare it to the other luxury brands. It matches or exceeds what the others offer in many areas and it seems to be getting better. For example, the MDX is better than the Lexus RX, and the RDX is better than the NX. Just like Honda vehicles look better than Toyota, Acura also look better than Lexus vehicles. I don't know what happened to Toyota but their vehicles look hideous overall, it's mainly the terrible grill. Another example:The new Audi Q5 is 4 cylinder now unless you pay much more to get the sq5. The RDX is 6 cylinder as a standard feature. Six cylinders are more expensive than 4 cylinders.
05-06-2017, 09:02 AM
#18
Racer
Thread Starter
Some call Acura Tier 3.
"After explaining why we (the public) call a car or brand “luxury”, I will now be moving on to the second part: The tiers and levels of luxury. There are 3 tiers:"
The first tier is Super-luxury (i.e Rolls-Royce, Bentley)
The second tier is luxury (i.e Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus, Genesis, Cadillac, Maserati)
The third tier is premium (i.e Buick, Acura, Infiniti, Lincoln)
"After explaining why we (the public) call a car or brand “luxury”, I will now be moving on to the second part: The tiers and levels of luxury. There are 3 tiers:"
The first tier is Super-luxury (i.e Rolls-Royce, Bentley)
The second tier is luxury (i.e Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus, Genesis, Cadillac, Maserati)
The third tier is premium (i.e Buick, Acura, Infiniti, Lincoln)
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05-06-2017, 09:04 AM
#19
Racer
Thread Starter
Acura is a luxury brand, it was the first Japanese auto luxury brand to enter the north american market. It competes with Lexus and the German luxury brands. What makes it luxury? Look at what the vehicles offer, especially when fully loaded and compare it to the other luxury brands. It matches or exceeds what the others offer in many areas and it seems to be getting better. For example, the MDX is better than the Lexus RX, and the RDX is better than the NX. Just like Honda vehicles look better than Toyota, Acura also look better than Lexus vehicles. I don't know what happened to Toyota but their vehicles look hideous overall, it's mainly the terrible grill. Another example:The new Audi Q5 is 4 cylinder now unless you pay much more to get the sq5. The RDX is 6 cylinder as a standard feature. Six cylinders are more expensive than 4 cylinders.
BTW,6 cylinders over 4 does not make a vehicle a luxury brand over a premium brand.
How are you going to feel when Honda goes with a 4 cyl turbo in the next gen RDX?
Last edited by colt427; 05-06-2017 at 09:14 AM.
05-06-2017, 09:13 AM
#20
Drifting
Some call Acura Tier 3.
"After explaining why we (the public) call a car or brand “luxury”, I will now be moving on to the second part: The tiers and levels of luxury. There are 3 tiers:"
The first tier is Super-luxury (i.e Rolls-Royce, Bentley)
The second tier is luxury (i.e Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus, Genesis, Cadillac, Maserati)
The third tier is premium (i.e Buick, Acura, Infiniti, Lincoln)
"After explaining why we (the public) call a car or brand “luxury”, I will now be moving on to the second part: The tiers and levels of luxury. There are 3 tiers:"
The first tier is Super-luxury (i.e Rolls-Royce, Bentley)
The second tier is luxury (i.e Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus, Genesis, Cadillac, Maserati)
The third tier is premium (i.e Buick, Acura, Infiniti, Lincoln)
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colt427 (05-06-2017)
05-06-2017, 09:20 AM
#21
If the next gen RDX goes 4 cylinder, I won't be buying it. Not enough power, and not as smooth as a 6 cylinder.
In terms of luxury, I define luxury based on the features that are offered, not on the brand name (though Acura does have a long history and a well respected brand name). For example, the Mercedes GLA is the exact same vehicle as the Infiniti QX30. They collaborated and developed that vehicle together and... they're exactly the same, except the badge looks different. So how are you going to categorize that vehicle? Based on your definition, the Mercedes GLA would be luxury, but the QX30 would be premium. But they're the same vehicle except the Infiniti is less expensive. Another example: the Kia K900. It is as luxurious or more luxurious than the Genesis G80 or the Lexus ES350. But you would classify Kia as a non-luxury brand and Genesis you put as luxury. I would classify the Kia K900 as luxury based on the features it offers, even though it is labelled as a Kia.
Now if we classify Lexus as luxury, which everyone does, and yet the Acura MDX and RDX are better than the Lexus RX and NX (which most reasonable people would agree on based on features), then Acura is also a luxury brand. Also, to continue with our previous example, the Acura RDX is also a better vehicle than the Mercedes GLA, the BMW X1, the Audi Q3, and the Audi Q5 (though one could argue the sq5 is better).
In terms of luxury, I define luxury based on the features that are offered, not on the brand name (though Acura does have a long history and a well respected brand name). For example, the Mercedes GLA is the exact same vehicle as the Infiniti QX30. They collaborated and developed that vehicle together and... they're exactly the same, except the badge looks different. So how are you going to categorize that vehicle? Based on your definition, the Mercedes GLA would be luxury, but the QX30 would be premium. But they're the same vehicle except the Infiniti is less expensive. Another example: the Kia K900. It is as luxurious or more luxurious than the Genesis G80 or the Lexus ES350. But you would classify Kia as a non-luxury brand and Genesis you put as luxury. I would classify the Kia K900 as luxury based on the features it offers, even though it is labelled as a Kia.
Now if we classify Lexus as luxury, which everyone does, and yet the Acura MDX and RDX are better than the Lexus RX and NX (which most reasonable people would agree on based on features), then Acura is also a luxury brand. Also, to continue with our previous example, the Acura RDX is also a better vehicle than the Mercedes GLA, the BMW X1, the Audi Q3, and the Audi Q5 (though one could argue the sq5 is better).
05-06-2017, 09:36 AM
#22
Racer
Thread Starter
If the next gen RDX goes 4 cylinder, I won't be buying it. Not enough power, and not as smooth as a 6 cylinder.
In terms of luxury, I define luxury based on the features that are offered, not on the brand name (though Acura does have a long history and a well respected brand name). For example, the Mercedes GLA is the exact same vehicle as the Infiniti QX30. They collaborated and developed that vehicle together and... they're exactly the same, except the badge looks different. So how are you going to categorize that vehicle? Based on your definition, the Mercedes GLA would be luxury, but the QX30 would be premium. But they're the same vehicle except the Infiniti is less expensive. Another example: the Kia K900. It is as luxurious or more luxurious than the Genesis G80 or the Lexus ES350. But you would classify Kia as a non-luxury brand and Genesis you put as luxury. I would classify the Kia K900 as luxury based on the features it offers, even though it is labelled as a Kia.
Now if we classify Lexus as luxury, which everyone does, and yet the Acura MDX and RDX are better than the Lexus RX and NX (which most reasonable people would agree on based on features), then Acura is also a luxury brand. Also, to continue with our previous example, the Acura RDX is also a better vehicle than the Mercedes GLA, the BMW X1, the Audi Q3, and the Audi Q5 (though one could argue the sq5 is better).
In terms of luxury, I define luxury based on the features that are offered, not on the brand name (though Acura does have a long history and a well respected brand name). For example, the Mercedes GLA is the exact same vehicle as the Infiniti QX30. They collaborated and developed that vehicle together and... they're exactly the same, except the badge looks different. So how are you going to categorize that vehicle? Based on your definition, the Mercedes GLA would be luxury, but the QX30 would be premium. But they're the same vehicle except the Infiniti is less expensive. Another example: the Kia K900. It is as luxurious or more luxurious than the Genesis G80 or the Lexus ES350. But you would classify Kia as a non-luxury brand and Genesis you put as luxury. I would classify the Kia K900 as luxury based on the features it offers, even though it is labelled as a Kia.
Now if we classify Lexus as luxury, which everyone does, and yet the Acura MDX and RDX are better than the Lexus RX and NX (which most reasonable people would agree on based on features), then Acura is also a luxury brand. Also, to continue with our previous example, the Acura RDX is also a better vehicle than the Mercedes GLA, the BMW X1, the Audi Q3, and the Audi Q5 (though one could argue the sq5 is better).
Even if it is wrong
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05-08-2017, 08:50 PM
#25
RDX "needs"V6. 
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TacoBello (06-20-2017)
06-09-2017, 01:46 PM
#26
Advanced
The RDX V6 is butter smooth. When idling you pretty much have to glance at the tachometer to see if the engine is still running. For that reason I bought my 2016 RDX hearing that the next generation could have a 2.0t. I really don't know why Acura would go back to the 4 cyl turbo except for the fact that all of the competition runs those engines. The 2.0t might get a bit better mileage but the difference is so small that it is all but negligible. A family member had the first gen RDX with the 4 cyl engine. It went like stink, but the gas mileage really sucked.
06-09-2017, 01:54 PM
#27
Well guys, it's confirmed. The next gen Accord is getting a 2.0l turbo engine (deturned from the Civic type R) mated to the new 10 speed auto. Since the RDX follows the Accord and the factories are close to each other, I'll bet money that the RDX is also getting the same powertrain. The Accord 2.0L won't need premium however it's almost a given that the RDX will and therefore here's to hoping it gets civic type R power figures and not slightly warmed over accord figures.
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FreddyBeach (06-09-2017)
06-09-2017, 01:58 PM
#28
I had a 1st Gen RDX (2008 Model) for almost eight years. It had a 2.3 liter 4-Banger turbo. Rated at 240 H.P. and 260 lbs/ft torque. Fantastic engine. That little RDX was fast. Truth be told, I believe the engine specs were purposely underrated for insurance reasons.
With that said, these modern turbo 4s are getting sick and I can easily see 300+ H.P. rated engines in premium vehicles. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the 3.5 V6 in my 2016 RDX but I would easily consider a turbo 4 again if it pulled the specs I like.
With that said, these modern turbo 4s are getting sick and I can easily see 300+ H.P. rated engines in premium vehicles. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the 3.5 V6 in my 2016 RDX but I would easily consider a turbo 4 again if it pulled the specs I like.
my '06 TL is modded, so I kept up with the Fusion sport, but seriously that thing is quick! when people start to tune the Fusion Sport, it will be game over for me!!!
06-09-2017, 02:18 PM
#29
mrgold35
I would pick a 3rd RDX Turbo 4 over the V-6 if they had similar hp ratings. The extra TQ at lower rpms along with my usual driving area is between 5000-6500ft in NM make the turbo a better choice for me. Hondata might have another reflash available for the 3rd Gen RDX for around $300 to add another +25hp/+25tq like they did with the 1st Gen RDX. I would love for Acura to give more than one engine choice with the 3rd Gen RDX.
Last edited by mrgold35; 06-09-2017 at 02:22 PM.
06-09-2017, 02:25 PM
#30
I would pick a 3rd RDX Turbo 4 over the V-6 if they had similar hp ratings. The extra TQ at lower rpms along with my usual driving area is between 5000-6500ft in NM make the turbo a better choice for me. Hondata might have another reflash available for the 3rd Gen RDX for around $300 to add another +25hp/+25tq like they did with the 1st Gen RDX. I would love for Acura to give more than one engine choice with the 3rd Gen RDX.
06-09-2017, 04:32 PM
#31
Advanced
I will forgive Honda/ Acura for replacing the RDX V6 with a 4-cyl turbo Type-R engine if they put it in a killer body and an updated interior. The current generation RDX is perfectly fine, however it is dated.
06-09-2017, 04:56 PM
#32
mrgold35
06-09-2017, 06:07 PM
#33
Acura has a bad habit of always making the hp number less in the lower models (even with same V-6/I4 engines). It doesn't matter if it is a V-6 or I4 Turbo for the +18 RDX because the hp/tq numbers will be under the current MDX 290hp/267tq. The Next Gen MDX will need to get a bump in HP/TQ first before the extra power makes down to the 3rd Gen RDX.
06-09-2017, 07:23 PM
#34
Pro
I hear you on that man. There is a bunch of talk around here of rumours that Acura is developing some sort of turbo V6 engine (some even stating a twin turbo V6 engine) and if it is true (I seriously doubt it) we might actually see a 300hp+ RDX. Keep in mind the MDX hybrid is pushing 325hp so I mean Acura could give the RDX 300hp/lbft right now if they wanted to without stepping on toes. I'd be happy with that mated to shawd.
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TacoBello (06-20-2017)
06-09-2017, 08:18 PM
#35
Save some for me because I'll eat it right along with you. I meant that the V6 turbo is going to the MDX, TLX, and RLX. The RDX and ILX (if it's not dropped) will absolutely without a doubt make due with a I4 turbo engine.
06-09-2017, 08:32 PM
#36
Azine Jabroni
MDX - 3.0T
Flagship - 3.0T
TLX Type S - 3.0T
TLX - 2.0T
RDX - 2.0T
And all the names would be debatable. If renames would drum up interest, I would do that immediately.
06-09-2017, 11:14 PM
#37
If it were me, i'd go 3.0T in MDX, RLX replacement, and the TLX Type S. I would completely eliminate the ILX So...
MDX - 3.0T
Flagship - 3.0T
TLX Type S - 3.0T
TLX - 2.0T
RDX - 2.0T
And all the names would be debatable. If renames would drum up interest, I would do that immediately.
MDX - 3.0T
Flagship - 3.0T
TLX Type S - 3.0T
TLX - 2.0T
RDX - 2.0T
And all the names would be debatable. If renames would drum up interest, I would do that immediately.
06-21-2017, 08:36 AM
#39
mrgold35
I think Acura should offer sh-sh-awd to every vehicle in its line-up. I'm fine with small or large displacement I4, I4 turbo, NA V-6, or V-6 Turbo/supercharger along with hybrid tech. Lexus pretty much offers something in a hybrid at every model level. Imagine a maxed out 3rd Gen RDX with MDX sport hybrid system at $10,000 less than a Lexus 400h base price? This is where were will end up down the road anyways with nothing but fuel cell, diesels, electric, and hybrid cars on the roads.
It reminds me when you had to carry a phone, mp3 player, pager, camera, and portable DVD player around. Put the friggin tech together instead of milking $$$ from everyone for years.
It reminds me when you had to carry a phone, mp3 player, pager, camera, and portable DVD player around. Put the friggin tech together instead of milking $$$ from everyone for years.
