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The NX200t (Regular and F-Sport) was on my finals but it lost to the RDX on a number of factors:
1. Cost: You get more value for your RDX. A NX200t loaded with similar options cost significant more.
2 Ride Quality: I test drove the NX and found the ride to be more bumpy due to its stiffer and unforgiving suspension. Not only it does not absorb any road imperfections, it sends them right into the cabin. Despite the stiffer suspension, the car is not immune to body rolls during hard cornering.
3. Interior cabin: The cabin does not feel roomy at all. I feel confined when I am sitting in the driver seat and passenger seat.
If I really wanted the NX200t, I would have save some $$ and get a fully loaded RaV 4 instead.
Really exposes Toyota for what they are -- a bunch of marketing guys who collect and rearrange car parts.
Lots of car manufactures to do this too. Take VW/Audi as an example even honda/acura. Although I must admit some manufactures do it way more effectively (Acura) than others. Its really a cost saving measure.
This is mostly due to the RX; which still leads in the luxury SUV segment. You also have to keep in mind that Lexus has 10 different models while Acura only has 5.
[QUOTE=hand-filer;15542123]Apparently the consumers aren't paying any attention.
This is mostly due to the RX; which still leads in the luxury SUV segment. You also have to keep in mind that Lexus has 10 different models while Acura only has 5.
And also the Lexus IS which is popular among younger audiences.
Consumer report worst pick references the Lexus NX200t/NX300h, not Lexus in general.
Even Lexus grabs second monthly US sales, not all members went with the trend. Example: Some left Acura to go to Kia.
At the end of the day, Consumer reports is not always wrong, they are not always right either. Their comments and recommendations should be taken the same way as any online reviews.
An RX350 is a wonderful car, I must say. It was second on my list of choices. But, for the life of me, I could not see the value of it. The Lexus dealer said the value of it lay in the fact that it's a "Lexus". Tautological to say the least.
There are many things on my RX350 that were not on my RDX.
8-way power passenger seat (that could be raised or lowered).
Roof rails.
Rain sensing wipers.
Rear seats could slide back and forth, and recline.
Roll up rear cargo cover.
Power adjustable steering column, with memory.
Higher quality leather used on the seats.
Illuminated door sills.
I'll see how the 2016 RX350 engine is. It is supposed to be around 300hp.
There are many things on my RX350 that were not on my RDX.
8-way power passenger seat (that could be raised or lowered).
Roof rails.
Rain sensing wipers.
Rear seats could slide back and forth, and recline.
Roll up rear cargo cover.
Power adjustable steering column, with memory.
Higher quality leather used on the seats.
Illuminated door sills.
I'll see how the 2016 RX350 engine is. It is supposed to be around 300hp.
You cannot compare these 2 vehicles. They are in a different class and the cost is considerably more, especially when optioned up.
You cannot compare these 2 vehicles. They are in a different class and the cost is considerably more, especially when optioned up.
The Lexus did sticker out at $8K more (in 2013), but like I said, it had more on it. Lexus is the luxury line of Toyota, Infinity is the luxury line of Nissan, and Acura is the luxury line of Honda.
I do consider them in direct competition with each other. They are very close in dimensions, and both have 3.5 liter V6 engines of similar power, and AWD drivetrains.
RX350 / RDX
Front head room 39.0 in. 38.7 in.
Front hip room 55.5 in. 55.7 in.
Front leg room 43.1 in. 42.0 in.
Front shoulder room 57.9 in. 58.7 in.
Rear hip Room 54.5 in. 53.8 in.
Rear head room 37.7 in. 38.1 in.
Rear leg room 36.8 in. 38.3 in.
Rear shoulder room 57.5 in. 57.2 in.
Width 74.2 in. 73.7 in.
Height 66.7 in. 66.1 in.
Length 187.8 in. 183.5 in.
Ground clearance 7.3 in. N/A
Front track 64.2 in. 63.1 in.
Rear track 63.8 in. 63.4 in.
Wheel base 107.9 in. 105.7 in.
The Lexus did sticker out at $8K more (in 2013), but like I said, it had more on it. Lexus is the luxury line of Toyota, Infinity is the luxury line of Nissan, and Acura is the luxury line of Honda.
I do consider them in direct competition with each other. They are very close in dimensions, and both have 3.5 liter V6 engines of similar power, and AWD drivetrains.
RX350 / RDX
Front head room 39.0 in. 38.7 in.
Front hip room 55.5 in. 55.7 in.
Front leg room 43.1 in. 42.0 in.
Front shoulder room 57.9 in. 58.7 in.
Rear hip Room 54.5 in. 53.8 in.
Rear head room 37.7 in. 38.1 in.
Rear leg room 36.8 in. 38.3 in.
Rear shoulder room 57.5 in. 57.2 in.
Width 74.2 in. 73.7 in.
Height 66.7 in. 66.1 in.
Length 187.8 in. 183.5 in.
Ground clearance 7.3 in. N/A
Front track 64.2 in. 63.1 in.
Rear track 63.8 in. 63.4 in.
Wheel base 107.9 in. 105.7 in.
Sorry but RX350 is targeted at 50+ Asian drivers. The RDX is targeted for younger people.
There's also the price gap. $44K for RDX with full options as opposed to $58K "well-equipped" RX350.
The 2015 RX350 with leather, NAV, ventilated seats, wood steering wheel & shift knob stickers around $50K here in New England. Keep in mind, they discount more than Acura.
Here is an example. Look at the options included for this price:
What is going on????? I'm 65 years old and white. Should I be looking at Cadillacs??????
It's not about you. It's about the general market group. I'm also considering a 2016 Miata. Guess what? Nobody cares.
Originally Posted by rosen39
The 2015 RX350 with leather, NAV, ventilated seats, wood steering wheel & shift knob stickers around $50K here in New England. Keep in mind, they discount more than Acura.
Here is an example. Look at the options included for this price:
I'm just saying, you can't say the RX350 is targeted to people over 50. There are a lot of families in their late 20's and 30's driving around in these cars. It is one of Lexus's most popular vehicles.
There are stereotypes for every brand/model............even Miatas
I'm just saying, you can't say the RX350 is targeted to people over 50. There are a lot of families in their late 20's and 30's driving around in these cars. It is one of Lexus's most popular vehicles.
There are stereotypes for every brand/model............even Miatas
The RX may not be targeted to old folks, but around here it is easy to see that's who the majority of drivers are. I saw a new RX in that sort of burnt orange color (yes, an elderly couple) but it was damn nice looking.
I'm just saying, you can't say the RX350 is targeted to people over 50. There are a lot of families in their late 20's and 30's driving around in these cars. It is one of Lexus's most popular vehicles.
Actually it's quite true. Everytime I see a RX350 90% it is Asian > 50 years (Slow driver and never pass any other drivers and most of the time they are in the fast lane doing the speed limit). If there are young drivers operating such vehicles usually it is because 1) they are borrowing their family car for errands; 2) They buy one because the family has one; 3) They haven't seen or test drive other makes/models with a firm belief that Lexus is the best.
Actually it's quite true. Everytime I see a RX350 90% it is Asian > 50 years (Slow driver and never pass any other drivers and most of the time they are in the fast lane doing the speed limit). If there are young drivers operating such vehicles usually it is because 1) they are borrowing their family car for errands; 2) They buy one because the family has one; 3) They haven't seen or test drive other makes/models with a firm belief that Lexus is the best.
Since this thread has been hijacked for fun purposes:
Around here in Marin County, most of the S2000s are ladies >40 years old. Go figure. I pay attention since I own one.
Since I walk to work and I'm also a runner, I want to know who is potentially about to run me over. RDX = standard soccer moms. MDX = soccer moms that like to drive way to fast while doing make-up and yapping on the cell phone.
The RX350 actually competes with the MDX rather than the RDX. It is larger than the RDX; with the added room going mostly to cargo space. Most comparisons put the RX350 and the MDX in the mid-size luxury SUV category while the RDX is in the compact luxury SUV category. Keep in mind that the current RDX is larger than the 1st gen so when it came out there was more of a difference in size vs the RX. The redesigned RX, which will be coming out soon will be even bigger than the current one and there will be more differentiation in size vs the RDX,
Kia is found to be appealing to younger generations while Hyundai is more targeted for older generations. Realistically multiple generations found appeal from both companies.
The objective for Kia and Hyundai is to offer customers the best value for the dollar. Because the entry level cars are priced very aggressively compared to their Japanese and European counterparts, it attracts buyers from many categories and financial status. In addition, they are more likely to be able to offer 0% financing on their cars vs 3.9 or 4.9% in many of the competitors.
The problem with Kia & Hyundai is their pricing strategy. Their entry level products are priced very competitively. As you move up the trims, the gap between them and their competition becomes less thus it makes them less appealing. In addition, it seems like they have gotten a bit more $$. They are also known for putting inferior parts (e.g., tires) on some of their cars (base trim and top trim).
Kia is found to be appealing to younger generations while Hyundai is more targeted for older generations. Realistically multiple generations found appeal from both companies.
The objective for Kia and Hyundai is to offer customers the best value for the dollar. Because the entry level cars are priced very aggressively compared to their Japanese and European counterparts, it attracts buyers from many categories and financial status. In addition, they are more likely to be able to offer 0% financing on their cars vs 3.9 or 4.9% in many of the competitors.
The problem with Kia & Hyundai is their pricing strategy. Their entry level products are priced very competitively. As you move up the trims, the gap between them and their competition becomes less thus it makes them less appealing. In addition, it seems like they have gotten a bit more $$. They are also known for putting inferior parts (e.g., tires) on some of their cars (base trim and top trim).
They appeal to people that appreciate a solid quiet well engineered and appointed vehicle with excellent fit, finish and materials that doesn't sound like it's coming apart whenever rough roads are encountered. That's who they appeal to!
The tires on the Sorento are Michelin Premier LTX. These are good tires.
I would take the old RAV4 with a V6 over the NX ANY DAY
The RDX is almost in a class of its own being in between so many vehicles size wize. A crossover with power and utility is my demographic, and for the price you can't do better than the RDX.
They appeal to people that appreciate a solid quiet well engineered and appointed vehicle with excellent fit, finish and materials that doesn't sound like it's coming apart whenever rough roads are encountered. That's who they appeal to!
The tires on the Sorento are Michelin Premier LTX. These are good tires.
Kia did a very good job on the Sorento, and I can't wait to see the 2017 Sportage. The inferior parts was more or less referring to the Forte (e.g., crappy tires).
Kia did a very good job on the Sorento, and I can't wait to see the 2017 Sportage. The inferior parts was more or less referring to the Forte (e.g., crappy tires).
You're right about the tires now that I think back to the conversation I had recently with my friend who sells Hyundai products.
After lambasting me for not buying a Hyundai he expressed complete shock that my car had Michelin tires.
Most of those things you mention are available on the 2016 RDX as standard or options.
The RDX has a better infotainment system than both the NX (it's direct competitor) and the RX (which competes with the MDX)--dual screen infotainment system. Two to three screen GPS (main screen plus a smaller screen on the instrument panel plus the main screen divides in two on roads with many lanes).
The RDX has a more powerful engine with more horsepower than current RX and NX gas models, though the new RX coming out will have 300 horsepower. Yet the RDX will smoke all these Lexus vehicles in a race (way faster 0 to 100 km/h time).
The RDX is more fuel efficient (including variable cylinder management).
The RDX has Jewel Eye LED head lights and tail lights (best lights in the class).
The RDX looks way better. Acura must have hired very artistic people to design the new RDX. The Lexus looks like a kid could have designed it. The Lexus has one of the most distorted looking grills in the business--looks like a fish's mouth or the mouth of the predator creature from the movie. When you look at current Lexuses from the front, the grill takes up like 90% of the front fascia of the car. That is not balanced. Hence it looks like a fish with mouth wide open.
The RDX is honestly priced. The Lexus is overpriced (along with the German luxury vehicles).
The RDX has higher safety ratings and a stronger frame (ACE construction). A Lexus, like the Toyota, has a softer and weaker frame.
All these things being said, the Lexus RX is still better than the German luxury vehicles. Why? The German cars break down frequently and repair costs are a good way to get ripped off. The Lexus is as reliable as the Acura.
Originally Posted by rosen39
There are many things on my RX350 that were not on my RDX.
8-way power passenger seat (that could be raised or lowered).
Roof rails.
Rain sensing wipers.
Rear seats could slide back and forth, and recline.
Roll up rear cargo cover.
Power adjustable steering column, with memory.
Higher quality leather used on the seats.
Illuminated door sills.
I'll see how the 2016 RX350 engine is. It is supposed to be around 300hp.
Although the size (length) of the RX350 is right between the RDX and MDX, the MDX is a 7 passenger, 3 row seating vehicle. I would still consider the RX350 in competition with the RDX.
The horsepower on paper is in favor of the RDX (273 vs. 270) and will out perform the Lexus, which is why I bought the RDX. Gas mileage is marginally better, but the Lexus runs on regular fuel, which will cost less in the long run.
The Lexus had adaptive HID headlights that would turn with the steering wheel going over 18mph. The jeweled LED lights use less energy which could result in better MPG, but the jury is out on better lighting than an HID.
As I said, my 2008 came with the roof rails, roll up cargo cover, wood trim on inside, and rain sensing wipers. The 2013 RDX I had to pay extra and install myself the rails, wood trim, and cargo cover. The cabin is much quieter in the Lexus, and quality of the materials used inside are better. You get what you pay for.
The new Lexus grill is very polarizing...........I can agree with you on that. How it will hold up in a parking lot remains to be seen. It can get very expensive if backed into.
Getting sick of pressing "Enter" button for the NAV screen to work every time I start the car (Lexus had this too). The German cars are not as "paranoid" about legal disclaimers as the Japanese cars.
I'm finding that the 2016 RDX shines on features where it really counts, and doesn't really have any really bad features. For example, on paper the leather seats in the Lexus might be a bit higher quality, but I can't really notice a difference when I sit in them (having tried both the Lexus RX 2015 and the NX 2015 and the Lexus ES350). The spaciousness of the RDX cabin makes it feel much more comfortable than the Lexus NX. The 2nd row of the RDX has almost no hump in the middle, adding to feet space.
The MDX has a 2 row version also and it's the direct competitor to the Lexus RX. The RDX competes with the NX yet it is better than the RX overall.
Some of the 2016 RDX features:
-increased: 279 Horsepower, 252 ft lb torque
-10.7 L / 100 km combined fuel economy
-Reinforced Hull (ACE)
-5 star safety rating
-Almost all the car sensors and cameras known to man (Collision mitigation breaking system, vehicle stabilizers, adaptive cruise control radar, lane keep assist, lane departure warning, front and back warning sensors for approaching cars AND pedestrians, blind spot monitor, 3 mode backup camera with arrows to show you where incoming cars are coming from)
-The top trim model has all four seats heated and the two front seats ventilated which get hot/cold almost right away
-Rain sensing wipers
-LED lights front and rear
-Autodimming driver and side mirrors
-The driver mirror is a wide angle mirror, has a slight concave effect giving you a wider view of the road
-paddle shifters
-Best infotainment system in the class (including two massive screens plus one small screen)
-8 way adjustable driver's seat including lumbar
-3000 voice commands
-Optional accessories such as roof rails, wood trim, etc.
-Acura Watch and Acura Link
-Black box recorder
-You can press a button to get assistance from Acura Link
-There is an emergency button that you can press in the vehicle that connects you to an emergency service. If you get into an accident it operates automatically
Originally Posted by rosen39
Although the size (length) of the RX350 is right between the RDX and MDX, the MDX is a 7 passenger, 3 row seating vehicle. I would still consider the RX350 in competition with the RDX.
The horsepower on paper is in favor of the RDX (273 vs. 270) and will out perform the Lexus, which is why I bought the RDX. Gas mileage is marginally better, but the Lexus runs on regular fuel, which will cost less in the long run.
The Lexus had adaptive HID headlights that would turn with the steering wheel going over 18mph. The jeweled LED lights use less energy which could result in better MPG, but the jury is out on better lighting than an HID.
As I said, my 2008 came with the roof rails, roll up cargo cover, wood trim on inside, and rain sensing wipers. The 2013 RDX I had to pay extra and install myself the rails, wood trim, and cargo cover. The cabin is much quieter in the Lexus, and quality of the materials used inside are better. You get what you pay for.
The new Lexus grill is very polarizing...........I can agree with you on that. How it will hold up in a parking lot remains to be seen. It can get very expensive if backed into.
Getting sick of pressing "Enter" button for the NAV screen to work every time I start the car (Lexus had this too). The German cars are not as "paranoid" about legal disclaimers as the Japanese cars.
Originally Posted by rosen39
Although the size (length) of the RX350 is right between the RDX and MDX, the MDX is a 7 passenger, 3 row seating vehicle. I would still consider the RX350 in competition with the RDX.
The horsepower on paper is in favor of the RDX (273 vs. 270) and will out perform the Lexus, which is why I bought the RDX. Gas mileage is marginally better, but the Lexus runs on regular fuel, which will cost less in the long run.
The Lexus had adaptive HID headlights that would turn with the steering wheel going over 18mph. The jeweled LED lights use less energy which could result in better MPG, but the jury is out on better lighting than an HID.
As I said, my 2008 came with the roof rails, roll up cargo cover, wood trim on inside, and rain sensing wipers. The 2013 RDX I had to pay extra and install myself the rails, wood trim, and cargo cover. The cabin is much quieter in the Lexus, and quality of the materials used inside are better. You get what you pay for.
The new Lexus grill is very polarizing...........I can agree with you on that. How it will hold up in a parking lot remains to be seen. It can get very expensive if backed into.
Getting sick of pressing "Enter" button for the NAV screen to work every time I start the car (Lexus had this too). The German cars are not as "paranoid" about legal disclaimers as the Japanese cars.
Most of those things you mention are available on the 2016 RDX as standard or options.
The RDX has a better infotainment system than both the NX (it's direct competitor) and the RX (which competes with the MDX)--dual screen infotainment system. Two to three screen GPS (main screen plus a smaller screen on the instrument panel plus the main screen divides in two on roads with many lanes).
Very subjective comment and it is mostly user biased. I bet you have not even test driven a RX and NX.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
The RDX has a more powerful engine with more horsepower than current RX and NX gas models, though the new RX coming out will have 300 horsepower. Yet the RDX will smoke all these Lexus vehicles in a race (way faster 0 to 100 km/h time).
HP sells cars, torque win race.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
The RDX is more fuel efficient (including variable cylinder management).
Absolute bull! Variable cylinder management does not turn on all the time. The RDX runs on 6 cylinder and only deactivates 3 if conditions allow. If you are hard on the pedal all the time, RDX will be much less fuel efficient.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
The RDX has Jewel Eye LED head lights and tail lights (best lights in the class).
More BS from Rockbaby.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
The RDX looks way better. Acura must have hired very artistic people to design the new RDX. The Lexus looks like a kid could have designed it. The Lexus has one of the most distorted looking grills in the business--looks like a fish's mouth or the mouth of the predator creature from the movie. When you look at current Lexuses from the front, the grill takes up like 90% of the front fascia of the car. That is not balanced. Hence it looks like a fish with mouth wide open.
In my honest opinion, RDX actually looks more bland and NX looks more bold. If I get to pick between putting an RDX and NX on the wallpaper, I will pick NX.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
The RDX is honestly priced. The Lexus is overpriced (along with the German luxury vehicles).
Pricing is very subjective from person to person. Some people think paying more gives a better product. Your perspective of pricing shows little to no knowledge whatsoever.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
The RDX has higher safety ratings and a stronger frame (ACE construction). A Lexus, like the Toyota, has a softer and weaker frame.
The comment above also shows you know nothing about car design and car crash testing. If Lexus and Toyota have weaker frames, IIHS will have failed it so badly that US and CA DOT will not allow the car to be sold. Use some common sense before posting.
Originally Posted by rockyboy
All these things being said, the Lexus RX is still better than the German luxury vehicles. Why? The German cars break down frequently and repair costs are a good way to get ripped off. The Lexus is as reliable as the Acura.
That's complete bullshit. You have never owned a German vehicle. I suggest you shut your trap before anything falls in.
Judging from the comments above it shows that you are nothing more than a pathetic salesman who tries to show off but unable to impress any potential buyers. If a sales person said any single thing you mentioned above during the dealing process, I would have walked away.
I'm finding that the 2016 RDX shines on features where it really counts, and doesn't really have any really bad features. For example, on paper the leather seats in the Lexus might be a bit higher quality, but I can't really notice a difference when I sit in them (having tried both the Lexus RX 2015 and the NX 2015 and the Lexus ES350). The spaciousness of the RDX cabin makes it feel much more comfortable than the Lexus NX. The 2nd row of the RDX has almost no hump in the middle, adding to feet space.
The MDX has a 2 row version also and it's the direct competitor to the Lexus RX. The RDX competes with the NX yet it is better than the RX overall.
Some of the 2016 RDX features:
-increased: 279 Horsepower, 252 ft lb torque
-10.7 L / 100 km combined fuel economy
-Reinforced Hull (ACE)
-5 star safety rating
-Almost all the car sensors and cameras known to man (Collision mitigation breaking system, vehicle stabilizers, adaptive cruise control radar, lane keep assist, lane departure warning, front and back warning sensors for approaching cars AND pedestrians, blind spot monitor, 3 mode backup camera with arrows to show you where incoming cars are coming from)
-The top trim model has all four seats heated and the two front seats ventilated which get hot/cold almost right away
-Rain sensing wipers
-LED lights front and rear
-Autodimming driver and side mirrors
-The driver mirror is a wide angle mirror, has a slight concave effect giving you a wider view of the road
-paddle shifters
-Best infotainment system in the class (including two massive screens plus one small screen)
-8 way adjustable driver's seat including lumbar
-3000 voice commands
-Optional accessories such as roof rails, wood trim, etc.
-Acura Watch and Acura Link
-Black box recorder
-You can press a button to get assistance from Acura Link
-There is an emergency button that you can press in the vehicle that connects you to an emergency service. If you get into an accident it operates automatically
Stop copying things from the car brochure without providing any concrete reasoning. You just waste everyone's time and cell phone data reading rubbish posts.
Who really cares about 3000 voice commands? I'd likely never remember any more than 4 of them and it's just awkward talking to a machine. Buttons, please.
Voice commands are very useful especially while you're driving. Makes driving safer and you don't break any driver distraction laws. Can't remember the voice commands? No problem. Tell your car "voice help" and lists of commands will display on the generously sized bottom screen.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
Who really cares about 3000 voice commands? I'd likely never remember any more than 4 of them and it's just awkward talking to a machine. Buttons, please.
Voice commands are very useful especially while you're driving. Makes driving safer and you don't break any driver distraction laws. Can't remember the voice commands? No problem. Tell your car "voice help" and lists of commands will display on the generously sized bottom screen.
</p><p> </p><p>You forgot the part where the RDX is a pus magnet.</p>
09-02-2015, 11:22 AM
rocky is a little girl.</p>
