colt427

On the plus side some great deals can be had....

Civic down 11%
CRZ down 11%
Fit down 3%
Insight down 33%
Crosstour down 43%
Odyssey down 21%
Pilot down 19%
Ridgeline down 21%

ILX down 20%
RLX down 68% - they sold 208 of them
TL down 62%
TSX down 73%
RDX down 14%

Accord up 7%
CR-V up less than 1%
MDX up 9%

Shogun36

Accord and MDX were up though...

ARascal

No wonder they took my offer.... Took delivery yesterday, 2015 AWD Tech White/parchment for $38K before TTL. A month ago, all I could get was $39 to 40K counter offers. Maybe..... I paid too much?

wildeklave

the numbers are not out of this world.

- MDX and Accord are the two leading vehicles.

- TL and TSX had limited supply and did sell out ahead of the TLX.
- Crosstour has been a poor seller for a while.
- RLX while a nice vehicle really and is cost effective it does not have the sexiness of an Audi A6, BMW 535, Mercedes E series, or a Lexus GS.
- The Odyssey is about to be redesigned
- The RDX shortcoming is no changes in the past 2 years while competition has surpassed it in features.

You have to also look at the competition to see if they had similar declines.

CoachRick

Were there any '14s still in stock?

CoachRick

Maybe everybody else knows; but are these numbers vs July '13?

NBP04TL4ME

Yes - these are against July 13 numbers and you can see the actual numbers and follow this topic in this thread if you would like -

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...0#post15103560

ARascal

Nada, none, zilch and zero....

KeithL

Hmm RDX tapering off a bit, maybe the MMC will help, the competition is fierce!

Sculldog3

Checked my dealers website, 21 2015's, 0 2014's, 3 used 2013's. 15- 35k for mileage on the 2013's, 33-35k for asking price, 2 are tech package.

NBP04TL4ME

Checked Acura of Boston -
New -
2015 = 21
2014 = 2 both with Tech Package
Used -
2014 = 2, both with Tech Package, both CPO. One with 8K, one with 17.6K and $38K and $37K respectively.

wildeklave

We will see i the tapering off continues in the coming months or if it was just a July anomaly.

The Lincoln MKC is out now which may hurt a little. The Lexus NX is being released in Asia but it will be a late Fall release in the US. Considering the winter is a slow buying time this may not hurt the RDX too much, except for leases that end before the refreshed RDX comes out around April.

BLEXV6

Tough times for Honda. Should have nixed the Crosstour long ago. Very ugly along with the ZDX which luckily they turfed already.

geocord

Comparing one month to one month can be misleading. YTD numbers vs. last yr would be much more informative. How did other manufacturers do? Was it just Honda/Acura? The two biggest sellers are still up which does mean something. Sometimes these 1 month snapshots mean nothing.

colt427

madden

There sales are down because their vehicles are boring.

ARascal

I don't think my new RDX is boring at all..... biased opinion?
I just voted with my hardly earned dollars for it.

YeuEmMaiMai

yeah it costs too much and gets horrible gas mileage...

kareshi

I agree the Acura vehicles are boring when compared to competitors'.

geocord

Thanks Colt427 for adding a little more context. Agree that Honda/Acura could be doing much better especially when overall auto sales in U.S. up. Styling, styling, styling. Kia got the designer from Audi to redesign entire line and look what it has done for them. Lexus has stepped up it's styling and Infiniti to some degree as well. Honda/Acura really needs to step out of their box and get some outside influence for their designs.

I still think the RDX is one of the best looking compact CUVs on the road. MDX, although similar, doesn't have the same proportions and isn't as good looking IMO. The cars leave one cold. The new TLX is a little better but still not great. The should look at Mazda and Audi for more influence.

vbgregg

This is all so subjective and based on personal preferences. What is boring to one person may not be boring to another, and vice versa. While I don't think that most Acuras are the best looking vehicles on the road, I certainly prefer their appearance to some of the less-boring looks, such as the new Lexus vehicles, which IN MY OPINION have about the ugliest grills I've ever seen. They certainly are not boring, and many people seem to like them, but that design choice is a deal breaker for me.

I'm not saying there is no room for improvement. But perhaps a somewhat boring look, which at least is not a deal breaker for most people, is better than an eye-catching look that attracts some buyers and turns off others. I'm not in marketing, though, so I may be completely wrong. All I (and most others) can do is give a personal opinion about what is boring (or worse) and what is attractive.

Gregg

ARascal

Great minds think alike "I still think the RDX is one of the best looking compact CUVs on the road.". IF not "The best".

colt427

I like the Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring's exterior looks in the small CUV class.A bunch more tech than the RDX too.

vbgregg

We nearly bought a CX-5 a year ago, but even the fanciest one would not work with my iPod or iPhone. A bunch of salesmen and service guys tried to get it to work and eventually admitted that it would not. I think bluetooth worked, but not USB, so I would have to control everything from the device rather than the Mazda audio system, which defeats most of the purpose, at least for me. I wanted to navigate through the iPod on the large screen, not the tiny screen. I later googled and confirmed that others had this same problem. The "bunch more tech" isn't much good if it doesn't do what the buyer wants. In my case, I really wanted something that was compatible with my iPod. I do agree, though, that in many ways I liked the CX-5. It's just this lack of iPod compatibility was a deal breaker for me.

Gregg

geocord

My wife drives a Mazda6 so I take it in for oil changes and while I'm waiting I take a test drive. They know me so they just toss me the keys. I almost bought a CX-5 before I got the RDX. Main reason....power. CX-5 was anemic in comparison. It drives very nice but just didn't have the power that I wanted. The Nav screen was also tiny in comparision and the system was slow as well. The RDX system sure isn't perfect by any means but it's still a lot better than what is in the CX-5. I love the looks of the Mazda but I also love the looks of the RDX.

vbgregg

I agree -- I liked the CX-5, but I like the RDX a lot better (though it also costs a lot more). It wasn't like the iPod incompatibility was the only thing that kept me from getting the CX-5. It's just that in this day and age, where we complain about all the tech that the RDX does not have, it seemed amazing to me that the CX-5 (with all its other tech) did not work with the iPod -- even the RDX does that!

Gregg

colt427

Yes the RDX NAV is better along with the interior and 6 cyl but the tech I'm talking about is everything else you get for under $31K.
Things like these most of which you can't get on a RDX which is a shame.


Keyless entry/push button start
HIDs w/AFS
Bose sound system
Rain sensing wipers
8 way power seat
Blind spot monitor
Rear parking sensors
19" wheels
Smart City Brake Support system uses a laser sensor to detect stationary objects (such as stopped cars or pedestrians) in front of the vehicle at speeds up to 19 mph. If the driver fails to respond to a warning, the CX-5 can automatically apply the brakes.

At under $31K discounted,a great bang for the buck.



Yes the early CX-5 2.0L was a slug but the newer 2.5L is no 6 cyl but isn't bad at all.Also handles nicely.

KeithL

Consider yourself and wife safer, the recent crash tests mazda CX-5 did not do well in recent crash tests.

colt427

Where did you get that false info from?

Edmunds.com


"In government crash testing, the CX-5 received a perfect five stars for overall, front and side crash protection. In crash testing by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the CX-5 earned the highest possible rating of "Good" in the moderate-overlap frontal-offset, small-overlap frontal-offset, side-impact and roof-strength tests. Its seat/head restraint design was also rated "Good" for whiplash protection in rear impacts."

hand-filer

Up here the Mazda is rated #1 for rusting out prematurely. It beats all of the competition handily. So it may be safe when new but how safe is it 5 years down the road.

KeithL

My mistake, the news had a story, but it was the Mazda 5 not the CX5

colt427

Keith,in researching the CX-5,I may have come across the same recent Mazda5 article(s).I thought it was the CX-5 too.

geocord

I heard that was a problem about 10 years ago and thought they addressed it. Is that old news or do you have some current info for reference.

hand-filer

It's still a problem with the 2010 models. A lot of unhappy Mazda3 owners on the net if you do a search.

BLEXV6

The RDX does have keyless entry with push button start. I suggest after having Bose systems before, the ELS system is far better. It does have an 8 way power seat as well, unless you are talking the front passenger seat which I don't care about as I don't ever sit in it. The rest, the RDX should have.

colt427

I did post "most of which you can't get on a RDX".
I believe those features along with adaptive cruise control and PCS should and will be in the '16 mid cycle refresh model.

CoachRick

Why would you think those features WILL be included in the '16?

wildeklave

because....
- those with leases coming due from 2013 will want something different and better from the vehicle that is 3 years old
- The MDX, RLX, and TLX all have these features
- the new luxury competition (MKC and NX) have these features
- some non-luxury competition (incl the Escape and Cherokee) have these features
- insurance companies may provide discounts on policies with certain safety features

For a lot of buyers some of these features will matter more than engine output.

colt427

Spot on!

CoachRick

I left a vehicle that had BLIS, rear vents, parking assist, adaptive cruise, flat cargo area, turbo, AWD, six-speed auto, semi-pano roof(auto open shade, no less) and exposed oval chromed exhaust tips AND PCS...AND I'm pretty happy with the RDX. Bling'd out lighting and smart key fobs ain't all they're cracked up to be. These aren't cell phones, you know.