XIS

First of all - The EX35 already blows the RDX out of the water power-wise...

That being said, settle down folks! You are all bent out of shape before you know the final answer. You can't tell shit from looking at those TOV images.
Oh - and even though I sold my RDX - I still love the model... I have had a CRV or two and the RDX and the CRV are nothing alike other than they are crossovers that seat 5... Different engines/trans/4WD systems, interior, body panel weight, etc.. 10x over. It is like telling me my EX35 is a Rogue or a Juke -NOT.

If they release it and it is smaller, slower - etc... then it is time to engage your complaint-mode. Until then, it is pointless to speculate.

DRR98

2010 EX35 A/5sp
Torque: 253 ft-lbs. @ 4800 rpm
Horsepower: 297 hp @ 6800 rpm
Curb weight: 3757 lbs.

12.64/lb per hp (-2.95lb/hp)
14.84/lb per torque

0-60 -6.3 sec

2011 RDX A/5sp
Torque: 260 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm
Horsepower: 240 hp @ 6000 rpm
Curb weight: 3743 lbs.

15.59/lb per hp
14.39/lb per torque (-.45lb/tor)

0-60 -6.9 sec

Is 6/10ths really blown out of the water?

Or crawling away, slowly. Not quite even walking away?

RDX peak torque comes 500 rpm sooner and 7lb/ft more.

EX35 hp peaks 800 rpm later.

Really. How much you pay for that?

XIS

drive the two and then you tell me.. An obvious difference.
My RDX was fast as hell with the Hondata & K&N and it couldn't touch my EX35 with no mods.

I paid 3K more for a 08 EX with 30k and a year of wty remaining after trading my 07 RDX with 45K and wty expired. I got a SCREAMING deal. - Oh, and I get 3 MPG more in the city and 5more on the hwy while driving a more powerful machine

DRR98

The EX35 blows the RDX out of the water or not?

If so, in what way? (the blowing out of the water?)

DRR98

One difference is size. Size becomes a drag a some point.

My guess is C of D EX35 is better.

RDX Measurements

• Width: 73.6 in.
• Height: 65.1 in.
• Length: 182.5 in.
• Ground clearance: 6.3 in.
• Front track: 61.8 in.
• Rear track: 62.6 in.
• Wheel base: 104.3 in.

EX35 Measurements

• Width: 71.0 in.
• Height: 61.9 in.
• Length: 182.3 in.
• Ground clearance: 6.5 in.
• Front track: 62.7 in.
• Rear track: 64.6 in.
• Wheel base: 110.2 in.

So its narrower, shorter (ht), has a wider track f & r, f/dbl wishbone susp., and a longer w/b.

Does it handle much better than an RDX? Sounds like it may.

XIS

first of all - I only used 'blow out of the water' since that was the quote I was responding to..the writer believing that if the newer RDX was slower, the EX35 would blow it out of the water... my point was that the EX35 is already a bit more powerful (butt-dyno) ... making the RDX slower wont change that. A V6 engine and RWD would be the only things that changes that.

again - I loved my RDX. Better/more storage. Reliable as hell. Great resale value - Bigger back seat (if that matters) - EX isn't as small back there as speculated. - better stereo ...
EX has nicer interior, comfy/tighter seats, RWD, sexy as hell, more MPG...
Handles great...wonderful... - I miss the feeling of SHAWD shifting power, but I don't have to floor it to feel the effects of RWD with the EX. It handles great and it is SMOOOOOOOOTH on the road without being spongey at all.

DRR98

[quote=XIS;13248589]my point was that the EX35 is already a bit more powerful (butt-dyno) ... making the RDX slower wont change that. A V6 engine and RWD would be the only things that changes that.]

Or maybe more boost.

My point is that you sounded like a faux news reporter with that comment.

The diff in peak hp is ~ 12.5%, not huge.

A bit more powerful. Yes.

Tempered by a higher hp pk rpm and very slightly less torque.

I think we both agree.

What are stock 1/4 mi times for both?

DRR98

XIS

yes - mine is RWD and not AWD so the times are a little fassster and the turning circle is also a lot tighter too. 0-60 times are nice, but not the selling point.


Back to topic - y'all just breathe and relax until the numbers and real photos of the next RDX are released. I would be suprised if it took a step backwards... maybe a less powerful/more fuel efficient option and a higher powered option too...? Kind of like when the IS300 had its first change and went to be IS250 IS350 - one a little less powerful and one WAY MORE powerful. Hope for that!
Just hope they don't release it only with a less powerful option and then make you wait another year or so for an RDX Type S with the power you want.

DRR98

Motor Trend - '07 RDX SH AWD - 1/4 mi -15.5 sec @ 90.1 mph.

XIS

The times are very similar

Motortrend
Acura - 0-60 mph at 7.0
Infiniti - 0-to-60 in the mid-six-second range

http://www.zeroto60times.com
2008 Infiniti EX35 AWD Journey 0-60 mph 6.1 Quarter mile 14.4
2007 Acura RDX 0-60 mph 6.9 Quarter mile 15.3

Car & Driver
Infiniti AWD - 6.2/14.6
Acura SHAWD- 6.5/15.1

pickler

infiniti wishes it could blow the rdx out of water. rough ride and not at all confident inspiring dynamics. it's like driving a mazda 3 on steroids.

me and many other acurzine members with hondata flash get 0-60 flat 6 or lower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5b9F...layer_embedded

Kaze66218

Haha here's a qoute racer boys:

Dom: You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car... Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should. You're lucky that hundred shot of NOS didn't blow the welds on the intake! You almost had me?
Extra: You Tell him Dominic. Get out of here
Dom: Now, me and the mad scientist got to rip apart the block... and replace the piston rings you fried.
[closes bonnet of car]
Dom: Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.
[Crowd cheers in agreement]

wrestrepo

so, comparing a stock with a mod vehicle?

pickler

oh alright then, go ahead and mod the ex35 with 600$ and then we will compare. add in another grand for ATLP catback exhaust and add 7-8% more power. you will never get this much gain on exhaust mod with NA, only forced induction can take advantage of this. I did drive an ex35 and there is a gap from 1-3k rpm with no torque. both my rdx and 135im have ample torque at 2k rpm.

wrestrepo

no bud, you don't compare mod vehicles, you compare them stock.

pickler

f*$k stock. even stock more low-mid range torque. end of story.

wrestrepo

Sure, fck stock because that's how you compare...

XIS

pickle - as I said - 0-60 times are not the selling point.
I have no need to mod it at this point when while stock it is performing quite nicely. If there was a little $300 mod like the RDX had, that might interest me - but surely not required!

a gap at 1-3k rpm?? not on the street - quite spirited off the line.

back to topic... or we could do this all day.

XIS

intersting reading...

http://wot.motortrend.com/the-top-te...sted-3063.html


EX35 RWD #'s
0-60: 5.8 sec. 1/4 mile: 14.3 sec @ 96.9 mph..... pretty good company.

Kaze66218

Ok here's my thought on the mod bs altogether.

RDX shawd base: pregnant ballerina.
Reflashed RDX shawd base: fluffy running back.

A reflashed RDX, as most of us agree, is the way that it should have been delivered. And most reflashed ecu owners feel that a reflashed RDX is the only base to compare to.

Virgin ecu= Pitiful Honda programing, tisk-tisk, inefficient.

wrestrepo

Well played sir, well played....


could've would've should've....we can do this all day...

2005 Silver Bullet

+1

This thread is getting way off track.

pickler

ok i think i understand what acura is doing now and i think i have a good theory about where acura is going with the k23 engine and the new 2.5l 4-cyl and possible v6 for crv/rdx.

these are spy pictures of the so called sub-tsx go ahead and have a good look, specially at the front.
http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1003309







do you notice anything? it looks to me it has the front turbo intake that rdx has at the bottom. (not to be confused with the middle gap at the center of rdx, that is a radiator channel).


sure we can i have all the time in the expanding universe.

mrgold35

I don't know?

I think Acura is following a general design theme of reduced beak and two tear dropped shaped inlets on lower bumper. It is the same design used on the newly designed ZDX, MDX, and TL. I think Acura is getting ready for +40 mpgs with the new RSX and +30 mpgs with the smaller/lighter RDX.

I still think Acura should make all engines with a factory/dealership installed supercharger option for $2500-$3000. Install the supercharger, reflash the ECU, and get a 20-35% increase in power AND close to the same MPGs. Acura can add the hybrid system to improve 0-30 times and city mpgs. I would go for a 2.5L I4 hybrid + direct injection+reg gas+engine stop-start+ S/C + 6AT RDX (30 city/26 hwy, 0-60 6.5 seconds). This engine combo will fit in the RSX, TSX and RDX.

The sh-awd will have an Econ, Auto and Sport modes:

Econ: fwd only, sh-awd only when traction control is needed
Auto: normal front bias sh-awd
Sport: rear bias sh-awd + a few extra psi on the S/C

pickler

well here it is, official 2011 Honda CRV concept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naftq...layer_embedded

2005 Silver Bullet

So after looking at the spy shots closer, here's my take on the new RDX.

I figure Acura is definitely going to keep the styling in the family, so it's either...

RDX with ZDX type grill



or

RDX with TL type grill

matthewk323

Reminds me alot of how the back of the EX35 falls off, but I think the second picture looks much better. The RDX is just not big enough for the MDX/Zdx grill.

MMike1981

honda "concepts" are such a build up to a great let down. Motortrend has some newer spy shots of the stock CRV and it looks like shit, obviously.

http://wot.motortrend.com/spied-cove...ow-120445.html

i havent gotten my hopes up with Acura in years. this smaller TSX, i mean i think alot can be resolved with Acura as a brand if they get serious in some general areas: powertrain, tranny, luxury. Been lacking for so long not only in terms of what the standards are today, but even further off their competition. If they nail some stuff down with AT LEAST 6 speeds, adaptable drive settings (sport/comfort etc), real lux features and interiors that dont bedazzle a 15 year old, maybe they will be taken seriously.

MMike1981

also...the small sedan looks like an IS knock off, especially the front shot showing the C pillar. Looks really narrow up front, too.

i mentioned it earlier, but is this like the first time other than the NSX a few years ago that Acura is actually spending money with the swirly stuff?? lol

pickler

can't really blame acura with any major changes for the '13 rdx. they are not selling. even combined zdx and rdx sell less than mdx. august sales were down 24% from last year. some car companies would kill a brand with so little sales. only the mdx is keeping acura alive imo.

theART

They better not screw up the design, current RDX looks hot. And anyone looking at Infinity as a competitor must be insane, Nissan/Infinity cars are the ugliest imports around.

The only car that matches current RDX in looks and performance is 2011 X3 (the new one), although you'll have to deal with all the overengineered BS as part of BMW ownership.

pickler

acura dealers are making a killing here in canada selling MDXs. for bmw, x3 sales are not that great. Same goes for infiiniti and ex. Acura rdx sales are average.

canadian suv x-over lux sales 2010:

1. lexus rx - 7300
2.acura mdx - 6000
3. benz glk - 5800 <-- holy crap!
4. lincol mkx - 4400<-- rentals
5. bmw x5 - 4000<-- more than x3!
6. Acura RDX - 3163
7. Audi Q5 - 3060
8. Cadilac SRX - 2918
9. BMW X3 -2814
10. Infiniti EX - 1925
11. Volvo XC60 - 1540
12. Benz G - 1437

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...cars-2010.html

theART

MDX is a great SUV if you have a large family, however it does consume a lot more fuel than RDX. I would pick Touring Pilot, although not as luxury as MDX it does shut off cylinders and it's 3.5L vs 3.7L.

ostrich

Oh yeah, here in Calgary, the MDX is EVERYWHERE! It's like the official SUV of Calgary or something! LOL! You also see many RDX around too. These Acuras certainly sell like hotcakes around here!

And yes, the MB MLK is also very popular around here too.

ostrich

Actually, there are more updated statistics from Canada:

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/11...ober-2011.html

The RDX is still selling quite well, but look at the BMW X1 and X3! Wow!!!

wrestrepo

I've driven both, and you can't even compare them, not n performance, luxury, ergonomics, ride, etc. yes, the pilot has a slight advantage in the fuel economy department, but it does not come close to the MDX in all other aspects....well, it's also bigger and has a more usefull third row.

XIS

RDX looks nice but nowhere close to as sexy inside or out than the Infiniti EX. Then you drive one and suddenly, the EX looks even better than before.

You are nuts...but keep telling yourself that and you may end up believing yourself.

The RDX looks much nicer than the X3. No doubt there. But the EX35 makes the X3 looks like an unpolished turd.

MMike1981

Id venture a guess and say the reason why Acura may outsell its (better) competition in Canada is due to its superior AWD and the needs of the canadian market. ?

EX35 looks like shit on the road, way too much of a buggy stance for me, and much more of a hatchback versus real cuv. very obtuse from a solid traditional looking suv/cuv of Audi/Volvo, hell even the RDX. Best attribute of the 1st gen (before beak) RDX is its timeless truck look - even tho its not exactly appealing to the eye in a luxurious way, it doesnt seem to get old and it remains relevant, even now (albeit a little less). The EX drives great, but so does the G sedan, which is basically the same vehicle.

XIS

i like that it is more hatchback... It is way more a versitile sports sedan than a small cuv.

Exactly. A much better G sedan. So far, I still cary the same stuff in it as before. Probably not 5 baseball bags (2 catcher bags) like before, but probably still get 4 in there.
The big interior benefit of the RDX interior over the rear of the EX is the lack of a hump on the floor in the back... RWD vs FWD bias. Luckily, the drivers seat is where I sit and it is awesome.

Looks like shit? Ha. Not. Based on 100% of the people that have commented to me and my chubby everytime I see it. RDX was nice, just more bland or conservative styling. Hopefully that changes on RDX 2.0