InspireJ32A

Greetings, comrades. Quick question: has anyone here ever experimented with syncros for the 2003 CL/2004 and on TL 6-speed manual? My 3rd gear syncro doesn't seem to be feeling very good, so far my only option seems to be an original 23444PYZ326 sleeve set. Perhaps there's a cheaper way to go? Cuz the specified part costs crazy expensive with shipping to my country, which is a big letdown, as you can imagine... Maybe it can be substituted with a similar part from a different Honda/Acura model, like the TSX? We used to get the CL9 Honda Accord here, which is the same as your first gen Acura TSX, are any internal parts of the 6-speed gearbox for that car interchangeable with the Acura CL/TL? Maybe someone here demolished a manual trans like mine and is parting it out? If so, I'd gladly take a 3rd gear syncro and maybe a dog clutch off your hands. Thanks in advance!

horseshoez

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You are way-WAY over thinking this issue; go buy three quarts of ACDelco Synchromesh Friction Modified and replace your transmission fluid; problem solved.

• https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...ilpage_o09_s01

brian6speed

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You can' replace a synchro, you have to replace whole gear.

InspireJ32A

I've looked into it, dude (I did a quick forum search), and found some info on the Synchromesh TF, the only problem is that nobody in my country keeps that stuff in stock...(((

InspireJ32A

Is the third gear interchangeable with any K-series Honda like the Accord/TSX?

InspireJ32A

Sorry, I was wrong, I actually found some. It's the GM Synchromesh that you have to order from the States.

brian6speed

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I doubt it, 3rd Gen tl 3rd gear should work though.

horseshoez

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Just make sure the Synchromesh you order is the "Friction Modified" variety; the other stuff is worthless in our transmissions. By the way, it is no longer called "GM Synchromesh", the product is now labeled "ACDelco Synchromesh".

InspireJ32A

My box is actually from a 3-gen TL

InspireJ32A

This is it, right? https://motoroil24.ru/catalog/type/p...d-offer-11305/

horseshoez

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Nope, wrong stuff, it absolutely must say "Friction Modified" on the label.

zeta

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^^
InspireJ32A, If you can get that ACDelco 10-4014 transmission fluid over there, that would be a great first start and least expensive?

In addition, the attachment I provided below is the 'Service Bulletin 08-018' that addresses a '3rd gear issue' Acura found back in 2008.

It has the model lines where the issue was found and also provides alot of different part numbers associated with said models. Maybe that will help, as well.

Also, I noticed in one of your pictures on your 'Intake' thread that you don't have a 'shift boot' on your stick shift. The guys on the thread below do that sort of stuff and I believe they are HQ'd in Europe, so it will be less expensive to ship to the RF.

https://www.redlinegoods.com/CL0103shiftboot.php

teh CL

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I have a trans I'm picked up recently for parts. Not sure exactly what your looking for though.

InspireJ32A

It does say Friction Modified in fine print. I'm guessing this is it.

InspireJ32A

23444PYZ326 sleeve set
https://www.acurapartswarehouse.com/...mainshaft.html - the part labeled as number "3" on the parts diagram

InspireJ32A

It looks like I found some - https://motoroil24.ru/catalog/type/p...d-offer-11305/

horseshoez

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Okay, I stand corrected, the label is slightly different than what we have over here but the part number is correct.

teh CL

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Ok, that works. The trans was already opened up when I bought it but I can make sure it's all there and let you know.

InspireJ32A

We do get Opels around here, I'm guessing that's what this fluid is for.

InspireJ32A

Thanks man!

InspireJ32A

That's actually an old photo, I've put in a boot since then (slightly modified one from a Prelude)

zeta

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I'm thinking that that is the 'old' part number and will cross-over to the new one shown on the service bulletin 23444-RDE-315 if you have to buy new?

InspireJ32A

Well, it's much cheaper, this could actually do the trick.

InspireJ32A

But hondaworld.ru's cross-list shows that this is for a 08-11 Accord coupe. If I remember correctly, it's the same basic box?

zeta

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I'm thinking since it's listed on the TSB?

Here it is for an '08 Accord 6 speed, #2 on the link below:

https://www.oemacuraparts.com/auto-p...nshaft-v6-scat

InspireJ32A

Well, I don't think the service bulletin can be wrong... I'll start with replacing the clutch master cylinder (it's a bit wonky, and the problems with the syncro literally got really bad today after the CMC started screwing with me) and trying the AC Delco transmission fluid, if that doesn't work - I guess a new sleeve set it is.

teh CL

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Wonder if the that would work with the older 6spds?

It's for the 08+ Accord & 07-08 TL-S which I'm sure was beefed up for the 3.5 motors.

InspireJ32A

I'm sure it will, if the SB cites it as a replacement part for the old TL/CL

zeta

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If you look at the top of the TSB it states that it applies to 3G:
2004-07 TL with M/T - ALL

Then, it looks like it even goes into the 4G TL with M/T within a certain VIN range.

I think you would be 'good to go' IF you had to buy new.

InspireJ32A

If the AC Delco fluid doesn't do me any good - I'm going for it.

zeta

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If you are referring to the '03 CLS6, then yes.

teh CL

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Learn something new ever day..

InspireJ32A

Just got the car back from the shop, had some trouble with my shifting (sometimes the gears would just all refuse to go in). The shop said that the flywheel isn't in very good shape, but that doesn't affect clutch activation apparently, Had a faulty throw-out bearing replaced, poured in some AC Delco Syncromesh FM - third gear still goes in with a crunch...((( I have a feeling something in the gearbox fell off and is maybe causing these headaches (including vibration when starting from a stop). But I'm definitely gonna try and replace the 3rd gear set.

InspireJ32A

Hey man, have you gotten around to looking through your parts bin for a 3rd gear set (assuming you're willing to sell it)?

teh CL

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I have it, just haven't had the time to confirm all the pieces are there. I'll shoot you a PM tomorrow.

johnboy1313

My fourth gear syncho is grinding just the slightest bit. The above synchromesh made no difference whatsoever.

InspireJ32A

Hey man. I was just browsing Acurazine and found a post from a guy who took a TL trans apart after Syncromesh, and was complaining about increased wear and swollen seals. Thankfully, I've only been driving for a few weeks, and I've just got the upgraded 3rd gear set delivered, so I guess I'll be returning to Honda Original after I restore the transmission. Just got it to the shop for a 3rd gear set replacement and 2-mass to 1-mass flywheel conversion.

zeta

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I've been running the Syncromesh since Dec 2015 when I had my differential bearings/clutch/PP/FW replaced with no perceived issues as of yet. IMHO, I think it is really more of a personal preference thing. If possible, can you find the thread the guy is posting about 'swollen seals' and such? I'd like to see the discussion.

I was going to inquire as to what the status was in getting your new '3rd gear set'; however, I figured you would post about it when you were ready. Let us know how well it all turns out, preferably with pictures, lol.

InspireJ32A

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-p...d-gear-881735/ - post number 8 from the top. As for photos - hang on, just a moment

InspireJ32A

Ok, so here's my setup - SAAB 9-5 2.3T pressure plate (pretty much identical to the one provided in the XLR8 kit), Acura Legend disc (Aisin), and the 3rd gear set from the TSB. I'll be converting my stock flywheel to 1-mass (welding in together and balancing it out). I'll do a follow up as soon as everything's finished and functional.