djarovsky

It looks like there is an ongoing class action lawsuit for certain model year Hondas and Acuras..........the claim is that the odometers were overstating mileage. Looks like there will be a warranty mileage extension. Things look to be settled around May 2007.

Interesting.....and something to definitely keep tabs on.

http://www.odosettlementinfo.com/

http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/B06-050.PDF

http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A06-085.PDF

artbran

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any idea which models are affected???

pits200

How can this be that the odometer is overestimating the mileage???

Lord Helmet

I'm interested in knowing more about this....

artbran

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It could have been done on purpose so that people would run out of their warranty quicker. Just like a big real estate investor here in the Reading area made his workers adjust the gas meters on all of his gas fueled houses so that they read less. He was charged of stealling a few million dollars worth of gas.

pits200

I am wondering how the people who sold their CL-S would be affected. Lets say you sold your car that had 70,000 miles on the odometer. In all actuality it only had about 67,000 miles on it. How will they determine the indirect lose that the seller assumed because of the inflated mileage.

Trackruner228

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Those things wont load for me but im going to guess this applys to the TL too because pretty much everything that happens to the CL happens to the TL.

Sly Raskal

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damn this could be big because of sales of these cars esp because of what pits2000 stated.

YeuEmMaiMai

OMG!!!!! your milage at 100K may be off by as much as 3750miles (3.75%) just another greedy person trying to make a quick $ or 2

YeuEmMaiMai

It would affect warranty since they use the actual ODO reading from your car to determine warranty work or if you changed your cluster and did what you were supposed to (place a sticker on the door jam with milage at time of change out).

so in effect you loose about 4K on warranty or you could gain 1.5K on warranty work.

I had a 94, accord 98 accord and now a CL type S and they all show the same distance from my house to work 24.6 miles one way. Big deal....your odo could also be off by -1.5% so when you reach 100K your car could actually have 101500 miles on it...

Lord Helmet

Thats why I'm interesting in knowing more about this.

rondog

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damn, funny thing is, all these issues are hidden from most of the public. And Acura still maintains it's strong sales. You would think all these issues would lead to people abandoning the brand.

Trackruner228

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What ever type of file you need to open this I dont have can someone copy and paste them here or something because I have tried a million differenent things and it wont open. In fact whenever something like that pops up on my screen it never works.

Sly Raskal

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esp for those that have the auto tranny that failed on them and were just over the warranty mark. I wonder how that will work. It will have to be retroactive somehow.

spdy0001

This is common I guess

I know someone who bought a new BMW X5 and within one year BMW bought it back cause the odometer was giving false readings

acudavecls

READ THIS. This was my Experience when I called Acura.
I just called 888-888-3082 to check if my 2003 Acura CL-S is affected and they told me that it is. So I asked them if my speedometer was affected also she told me that she does not understand what I mean. So I asked her “If I am going 55mph on the freeway, In 1 hour I should cover 55 miles is that correct?” guess what happened next. SHE HANGS UP ON ME. The line did not get disconnected; she literally hanged up on me. You ask how I know that. Well right before she hanged up I heard people started talking and then the plastic to plastic sound when she pout the handset down and hung up on me. It is a very good chance that the speedometer is wrong also. So watch your speed. There for your MPG estimate that you do once in a while is wrong also. This is a big mistake on Honda’s part and I hope they pay for it.

YeuEmMaiMai

acudavecls.........you created an acount so you could post some BS about Acura hanging up on you? Will NEVER EVER HAPPEN. Those people bend over backwards to make things right........

if your speedo was off by 3.75% at 55mph you would actually be going 53mph versus 55 so you would be going slower...........duh......recording higher milage = you are driving slower than speedo indicates....lol

YeuEmMaiMai

2002-2006 honda/acuras and 2007 Honda fits.

1. Honda will reimurse overmilage fees for the first 5% over lease milage

For example if your lease was for 3 years or 36K and you drive 40K, Honda will cover up to 37800 miles and you would be responsible only for the remaining 2200 miles.

2. Honda extend warranty milage by 5% for cars affected so if you have an Acura your bumper to bumper warranty is up at 4 years or 52500 miles. For a Honda it is up at 3 years or 37800 miles.

3. Honda will reimburse you for any work that would have otherwise been covered by warranty up to the milage stated in #2

4. Honda will extend lease allowed milage by 5%.

acudavecls

I called them back and asked them the same question. A girl name Ashley spoke to me. I asked her if I was going 100 mph on the freeway in one hour I should cover 100 mile. She agreed with me on that. Then I asked her what my odometer would show. Would it show that I covered 100miles or 95? She did not know the answer or did not want to answer that question. When I started talking to her asked me what the odometer has anything to do with speedometer. I think she didn't have a clue what either one of them is. She sounded to me like a front desk receptionist. After she felt like she wanted to just get rid of me. She just told me that the speedometer is not affected. What do you guys think, do you think that the speedometer is off also or not. Also I am not a liar and I’m not pulling this out of my ass.

I bought my CL from Acura Of Portland 11/11/06 about 2 weeks a go. Then joined this forum latter. Just to find out that the car may have transmission problems in the future and now this. Great!!! I will post a pic of my car soon. It is a 2003 Acura CL-S with 26k mile (or lower 5%). I know what I know and you can call me what ever you want. Also I mentioned to watch your speed not for speeding reasons but so that you can determine for your self if the speedometer is off or not.

Thanks!!!!!

ghost_masterCL

it says they changed their standars to +- 2.5%

that's hardly anything. If you are going 100 mph and it's off by 2.5% you could be going 97.5 mph or 102.5 mph. Either way you're going too fast.

unlemming

inflate your tires a little more

mike03a3

The settlement info is very interesting. It clearly documents that Honda did, in fact, have a specification that intentionally benefited the company by overstating the mileage. Our odometers, like every other thing in our lives, have manufacturing tolerances. The problem here is that Honda used a tolerance of -1.00% to +3.75%. So, while some vehicles may actually understate mileage by up to 1%, on the average we should expect the fleet of Honda and Acura cars to overstate mileage by 1.375%. Not so much individually, but it adds up to a lot of money over all the millions of vehicles.

Note that in the settlement, Honda has agreed to change the tolerances to +/- 2.75%. That's probably a reasonable tolerance. I know that, back in the day, when I was turning wrenches, police cars had certified speedometers that were +/- 2% and they had to be checked annually.

Tolerances are a necessary thing in manufacturing, but there is no excuse for Honda using a tolerance that stacks the deck in their favor.

russianDude

How come 2001 CL is not included, there is no much difference between 2001 and 2002 model...

furious1smitul

Was wondering the same thing....

JetSet

I have always believed my odometer was overstating my mileage on my '01. When i had ~25k miles on it i did a test w/ my wife - we both drove 50 miles, me in mine and her in her VW. My odo read more than hers by about the percentage being described. This has always pissed me off but i attrubuted it to our larger wheels (17" vs the non-type-s 16"). Not sure if the physics on that assumption is correct but hey.

ck123

anyone know if the TSX is over reading also? sorry this is wrong section but i did not want to start a new thread

AustinTaper

I got my letter today regarding this lawsuit. if anyone needs the letter scanned let me know.

MISTAZOOM

Please? Unless its the exact same as to the links provided in the first post. If so then dont worry.

fuzzy02CLS

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Got my letter also today. Now what? How long is the warranty extended? I have 56K miles & haven't had to pay for any repairs. So does this effect me?

007TL-S

it would slightly hurt the owner's resale value!.....I'm going to check my 07' TL vs. my wife's Civic and see how they compare!

Acutron

All I have to say is " What about us 01'ers!?" Apparently this is for 02 and above if I am reading right.

fuzzy02CLS

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Does it really matter at this point? Whatever year you have unless you bought 1 of the last 03's your already past this "extended" warranty, or damn close to it. It is 2007.

knight rider

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Let's see.....

If I go 55 mph for 1 hour I should have put 55 miles on my car with a stock set up.

If I increase the diameter of my wheels (not lowering the tire profile) and drive that same 55 miles at 55 mph the vehicle's ECU will think that I drove less miles.

So Honda/Acura should give us all new wheels

NightRider

To the dude who can't read the links....they are ".pdf " files which run off of Adobe Acrobat Reader, download that to read.

I have heard in the past that H/A (and many other car companies) SPEEDometers overstate mph readings by 2-3mph. I have also heard that different size wheels/tires can effect mph readings.

I have a door sticker that says either my SPEEDO or ODO was replaced at 626 miles, can't remember which one at the time. I will get back about that after my next break. Yes this does effect warranty issues for those trying to sneak under the extra 9k for the tranny warranty....BTW a settlement was supposed to be reached in December, any0one heard of the results? Hopefully it was rejected so a better deal more benefitting to the customer can be reached.

EDIT: Damn you knight rider...I saw a couple months back we had similar names but I don't know if we have ever posted in the same thread before this one! Although you joined before me and have more posts so I supose you are the OG

knight rider

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Thanks for pointing that out.

When I saw your screen name I was like but I realize that the name isn't all that original either...

Oh well. Great minds think alike...

ck123

I JUST CALLED AMERICAN HONDA AND THEY SAID ALL MODELS APRIL 13,2002 to 2006 are said to overread+ 2007 fit models

Inteuniso

I bought my car used, does this mean I could have less miles than is stated?

civicdrivr

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Yea.

Every car overreads though, there is an accepted percentage of error on every car. I forget the official allowable percentage though. I think its +/-3%.