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No, I'm not on v6p. I run with the FVSCC, used to have a Green Integra LS (STS) and now I have a Integra GSR,not sure on class yet, mod dependent. FVSCC does some co-events with the Madison and Central Wisc clubs. The club is pretty spoiled with the locations it runs like the USAIR and Road America kart tracks.

MVP track time has some events that I maybe goin to next year. Check'em out!

MVP Track Time

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The Road America Course looks fun. Much better then the tight courses I run full of cones. Maybe I can go to some next year but it is a far drive. Will look into it.

I know about MVP. Some guys I know run with them. I will be going to their autobahn event most likely, maybe more.

Want to run more events next year. Never done a full year yet because of down time working on car and other priorities.

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Few more pics.

Looking out of the Lexan Panel.



More Roll Bar Pics.











Removed 1 exhaust hanger not needed anymore. 1 more to remove still. Hanger weighs .29 lbs. 2 Rubber Exhaust Hangers weigh .24 lbs.







After applying Primer & Rubberized Undercoating.

fsttyms1

You too huh? Ever go to the ice racing events in the winter? Absolute blast.

brian6speed

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Ah you run with them too. We should plan to attend some events. Always love seeing other honda and acura's. I drive down to national azine meet also if anyone local wants to caravan there in June.

fsttyms1

I didnt attend any this year due to my car being down most of it. Next year i plan on attending more.
I will be heading down this year too to the national meet. My car WILL be done this time.

brian6speed

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Hope so.

Wanted to ask does anyone know if our suspension knuckles are steel or iron?

brian6speed

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Hmm is there any difference for the 09 plus TL IM from fwd to awd models?

I noticed awd is # 17160-RK2-A00.

Base IM is # 17160-RK1-A00.

brian6speed

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MERRY CHRISTMAS

Is there any difference for the 09 plus TL IM from fwd to awd models?

I noticed awd is # 17160-RK2-A00.

Base IM is # 17160-RK1-A00.

brian6speed

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Think I figured it out the RK1 is the 3.5 IM. Hope I bought the right one.

Stupid posts got screwed up.

brian6speed

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Tested out the wipers and they worked great and did not streak.

Figured out I ordered the right IM, phew.

Stephen00TL

The base manifold is smaller you need the sh-awd one or you can use the zdx intake manifold

brian6speed

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One I bought used is the awd one. Was just making sure. I didn't find any proof the IM ' S are different.. They look identical but got the awd one to be sure.

The ZDX IM is ugly.

brian6speed

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After reading through 3.7 IM threads here is the info I found:

3.7 IM weighs roughly 10 lbs. OEM IM Not Ported weighs around 20 lbs.

P2R claims a 3 hp gain with 3.7 IM over ported OEM IM with P2R Plenums.

Civics dyno showed 6 hp and 2 tq gain over OEM IM Not Ported. He was claiming issues though and had a restrictive exhaust.

Hopefully the numbers will be much better with 76mm Blox TB.

Bigger TB can affect throttle response at low rpm.

Hope I am happy with the results. The weight loss seems better than the power gains. Will lose some bling with the P2R headers. Everyone at car shows loves the polished plenums.

Could get my money back maybe selling IM, Plenums, TB Spacer, and bored TB. Kind of want to keep them though.

Atleast I'll be able to provide real weight differences and before/after dyno to show forum what this really can do.

Stephen00TL

I agree the sh awd one is much better looking. IIRC the base has a smaller throttle body so the base intake manifold has a smaller opening. They look identical and someone was selling one and thought it was the 3.7 but it was actually the base manifold and it was smaller.

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Do you know what size TB? 74mm? Who knows if going from a 74mm to 76mm makes gains anyway. 74mm could be big enough for 3.2. I don't necessarily want to just go as big as possible. Would be interesting to test, but I don't want to buy all the parts.

Just read that the 4th gen 3.5 TL only uses a 64 mm TB.

Stephen00TL

The 3.7 throttle body is 80 mm. The gains from 74 to 76 might be small, I would go with the 76mm throttle body since these engine love to breather and iirc you have a 4" intake. Also what adapter are you planning on using the p2r adapter blocks part of the passage way when using blox throttle body. I would recommend having a custom adapter made, that's what I ended up doing in my second gen tl

brian6speed

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I was referring to bore size on 3.5 IM. I already know bore size of 3.7.

I think P2R modified their spacer since then. Prank parts sells one but it puts the TB at a weird angle.

Stephen00TL

We're you looking at this adapter http://www.powerrevracing.com/01-03-...old-p/p383.htm

I tried using this one but the I couldn't get it to to seal correctly which kept making the rpm's bounce up and down. Also that one blocks a big portion of the blox throttle body.

Stephen00TL

This thread has pictures of how much the adapter blocks the throttle body.

76MM throttle body with Cruise Control?

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I remember reading P2R made changes to it since then? Maybe someone else can chime in or I can contact P2R to ask.

Can I just bore out my CL P2R TB Spacer to 76mm and use that or it won't bolt up to 09 IM? I don't need cruise control.

Planning on not using IMRC so I will get Accord Top Plate to save money.


Planning on buying a spare Accord IM from here for cheap to use extra parts, top plate, and hardware.
http://www.car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi

Can reuse my P2R IM thermal gasket. Maybe go with the thicker thermoblok one or try out the prank parts one. Anyone think installing P2R IM Spacer would be a good idea?

Stephen00TL

Your existing throttle body spacer won't bolt up to the 3.7 intake manifold. I haven't seen any changes on it although I hope they fixed it. The p2r intake manifold spacer might be good just depends on where your mostly at in the power band when auto crossing, you will gain midrange and lose a few hp and torque in the top end.

Stephen00TL

Looks like they did update it according to this thread https://acurazine.com/forums/perform...e-body-893800/. Although the newer design has the throttle body angled to the side

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Both midrange and top end are important to me. Midrange more for autocross and street then track, but still good at track coming out of a corner.

Learned a new fact today: CL was the first Acura built in the US. Is that true?

Here is another IM Adapter. It is angled also, just the other direction and more. It is expensive though.
SH-AWD to j32 Throttle Body Adapter ? Prank Parts

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3.7 TL IM arrived today.

First thought is damn this is light.

3.2 vs 3.7 IM



IM Weights without Top Plate & some Hardware. Keep in mind the 3.7 IM has its outer bolts removed and also the butterfly is on the Top Plate instead of IM. IMRC is also removed. Not sure if 3.7 Top Plate is Magnesium or not..

Will be interesting to weigh Bored 3.2 IM with P2R Plenums when it is removed





IM Stamp that shows it is the RK2 and Magnesium.



These pics show how the 3.7 IM is glued together.





3.7 IM Bore. Kept reading it is 80 MM, but mine is 76 MM. Prefer it that way since I'll be using 76 MM TB.



3.2 IM Bore.



I was surprised the bore of the lower openings is actually slightly smaller than on the 3.2 IM. Will need to open those up to 44-45.

3.2 IM



3.7 IM

teh CL

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Great info

Stephen00TL

Good info, I would go with the prank parts throttle body adapter. It isn't that much more since the price includes both thermal throttle body gaskets and bolts. The p2r adapter is 70+46 for two thermal gaskets. I have not had good experiences with p2r. My throttle body adapter I bought I couldn't get to work correctly and a friend of mine on here got a thermal intake manifold gasket and it didn't line up at all he had to trim it to get it to line up correctly. The prank parts adapter also shows how well it lines up with the blox throttle body attached. If they had the prank parts adapter back when I did it I would have bought it instead. I bought the p2r adapter then had to get a custom adapter made after that.

brian6speed

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I've never had issues with P2R parts. My thermal IM gasket is still fine after many years.

The prank parts adapter does look like a better design tho. I will probably buy that and their butterfly delete kit. Already have the P2R IAC Adapter. Still need to buy TB.

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Trying to decide what front tires and wheel size to get. Suggestions welcome.

After looking at the car and taking some measurements, I don't see how a 265 Tire will fit. Only wheel options I really see in ones I want are 18x9 +45 and 18x9 +35. The 18x9 +45 will rub suspension with anything bigger than 255. The 18x9 +35 will stick out past the fender and not work/rub the fender. Something around a 18x9 +40 could work but Noone sells that size. Would have to be custom made most likely.

If I can't fit a 265 Tire then installing a 9" wide wheel might be pointless. Could just go with 18x8.5 like I already have. Current wheels are +52. Would go with +40 to +45.

Wanted to go with 265/35/18 because that is smallest size Michelin makes the Pilot Sport Cup Street and Competition tires used on supercar etc.

Was thinking of going with a Street and Competition Tire over a full out track/autocross tire so I can drive to events with the tires on. Not sure if I want to swap wheels at events.

There are not many options for competition tires in 255/35/18. Toyo R888 is all I really see. Could get the typical 200 tread wear star spec 2 but that is basically what I already have and will not get me 1-2 finish in my class with WCMC because I am competing versus racing tires.

It seems like going with 245/40/18 tires is the best option. In that size you can get Nitto NT01, Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R, Hoosier R7, etc.

Not sure I want to go with a tire like Hoosier R7 with a 40 tread wear rating. Was thinking somewhere from 80-180. The Trofeo R is 60 treadwear.

Trofeo R is reason why new camaro z28 is getting such good reviews and posting better track times then other cars on lesser tires. I also noticed when at Ken Blocks office that he uses the Trofeo R tires.

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Think I will wait to get the BBK and see if it fits. If it will fit my current wheels then I will just use my current setup. If it doesn't fit then I will get new wheels and tires.

According to the Stoptech Diagram the ST-40 Caliper looks like it needs 1-3 MM more clearance. I read that the Trophy Kit gives about 2 MM more clearance so should be close. The rotor/hub also extends the wheel out roughly 2 MM.

brian6speed

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So the DIY for the IM is for the 09 TL AWD, but my IM is from the 12 TL AWD. The IM part numbers are identical, but the top plates are different part numbers. 09 is 17140-RK1-A01. 12 is 17140-RK1-A11. Wonder why they are different? Anyone know? I'd just go with 09 Top Plate since it has been done before.

Noticed the TB's have different part numbers also. 09 is 16400-RKG-A01. 12 is 16400-RK2-A01.

Thinking maybe I should just install the Bypass Valve Actuator and use butterfly. Haven't decided yet.

zeta

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LOL, I wish I could provide some contribution in regards to wheels and offsets et al; however, I'm completely CLUELESS when it comes to that stuff.

It may be prudent just to wait for the BBK like you mention above, then go from there with the hard decisions if your current set-up is not up to muster.

brian6speed

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Well atleast you posted.

Using my current setup as a base. I can't go any further in because it would contact suspension knuckle (smaller width tire might help inner clearance slightly but not going smaller than 245/40/18. 18x9 +45 would be 1 MM more inner clearance. I have some room on the fender side with -2.3 camber. I am thinking maybe 10 MM. 15 or more might be pushing it too far. That pretty much limits me to not many choices.

BBK should push wheel out 2 MM. So a 18x9 +45 should give 3 MM more inner clearance. Would need 5 MM or more clearance to run 265 tires. It would push the wheel out 15 MM.

If I run 18x8.5 +45 it should clear BBK and give enough room to run 265 tires, but they recommend atleast 9" wide wheel for 265's.

I might want to widen fenders next winter so would like to hold off till I make a decision. Lots to think about.

zeta

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You may have come across this in your research; but, fsttyms1 is fitting '275/35/18 on a 18x9.5 rims' on his 2gTL with fender mods. Post #1423.

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...636644/page36/

That rim size is around the range you are contemplating. I know you don't want to go that much and all; however, a PM to him with your thoughts may help you with your ultimate direction.

P.S. What's with those asinine 'tags' at the bottom of your thread?

gnuts

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Can you measure the height of the manifolds? Like ground to bottom of the TB opening? I've heard the newer ones are thinner height-wise.

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I have read his threads and seen his work. Considering I can probably already fit 265 tires if I really tried, that seems like a lot of work for an extra 10 MM of rubber. If I do fender modding I'd want to go at least 285. Not sure it is worth it at my modest power level, especially when you can just throw competition tires on. Was just mainly thinking out loud.

Are you referring to my Sig? Tried to make it bright and colorful. That is all the rage now. Neon wheels, neon clothes, neon glasses, etc. The more attention the better right?

The newer magnesium 3.7 IM's or you want a measurement of 3.2 vs 3.7? I don't see how the 09 and 12 can be different when part numbers are identical. Every dealership would screw up and order wrong parts.

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Wish I would have bought the UR Pulley Set or atleast Alt & P/S Pulleys when I had a chance.

XLR8 still sells stock sized crank and alt pulley, but no P/S or UD Pulley. UR says they do not make them anymore except for XLR8, but there is not enough demand to make more.

Don't think I'll be ale to find them used. Only other option is Ralco Pulleys. All to gain 1-3 whp.

If anyone has UR Pulleys to sell PM me.

zeta

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LOL, no.

At the bottom of this page in the 'tags' area:


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I just thought it was odd.

brian6speed

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Hmmm weird. That is probably why search feature is so bad.

gnuts

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3.2 vs 3.7. You might be able to fit the mdx spacer with the thinner IM and close the hood.

I was thinking if I ever got the 3.7 manifold I'd have to make up some height so the s/c elbows still line up. Just wondering how much. (Could use thermo gaskets)