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Old 05-13-2019, 07:45 AM
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So? Does she rule over the ashes? That's what the trailer would have us believe. She looks out over a sea of Dothraki and Unsullied. Mostly everyone else is dead.

They have another 1:20 to save this turd.
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I have not read a single word from the books but I just cant imagine the final books being anything like its been this season. All the prophecy has been through out the window
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:14 AM
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We were discussing prophecy. The 2 my friend mentioned were a sibling killing Cersei which kind of happened when Jamie lead her down there. The other was a Prince (or Princess) rising from the ashes to swing Lightbringer. Well Arya rose out of the ashes last night...
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kurtatx View Post
Qyburn was a little bitch and got the death she deserved.

And the Scorpions were only ever successful when the were a surprise attack.

That being said, this whole show is stupid. 6 seasons of development for nothing. Seven and eight have randomly recreated every character.
What they've done with Daenerys is sad. She's been almost sacrificially compassionate and consistent for 7 seasons in terms of her demeanor, she hits a small patch of trouble and gets rejected by her boyfriend and in the span of a couple days she's a mass-murderer. Arya, who has been recklessly determined this entire time finds her way to within a couple hundred feet of Cersei and just bails on her entire life's mission after one short plea from the Hound. And Greyworm - spends a lifetime as an obedient solder - also ignores commands and becomes a murderer as well. And Cersei didn't have a backup plan? Some kind of "take them down with me" strategy? Or a more viable escape plan than just "hey we gotta go"?

7 seasons of character development and they flushed most of them down the toilet to race to an end. While I think some of these turns in character would be possible, but not in the time span they are working to. The writers are just bending characters to the plot, not letting the characters drive the plot.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:28 AM
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What they've done with Daenerys is sad. She's been almost sacrificially compassionate and consistent for 7 seasons in terms of her demeanor, she hits a small patch of trouble and gets rejected by her boyfriend and in the span of a couple days she's a mass-murderer. Arya, who has been recklessly determined this entire time finds her way to within a couple hundred feet of Cersei and just bails on her entire life's mission after one short plea from the Hound. And Greyworm - spends a lifetime as an obedient solder - also ignores commands and becomes a murderer as well. And Cersei didn't have a backup plan? Some kind of "take them down with me" strategy? Or a more viable escape plan than just "hey we gotta go"?

7 seasons of character development and they flushed most of them down the toilet to race to an end. While I think some of these turns in character would be possible, but not in the time span they are working to. The writers are just bending characters to the plot, not letting the characters drive the plot.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:29 AM
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We were discussing prophecy. The 2 my friend mentioned were a sibling killing Cersei which kind of happened when Jamie lead her down there. The other was a Prince (or Princess) rising from the ashes to swing Lightbringer. Well Arya rose out of the ashes last night...
The one redeeming plot line remaining might be for Arya to take out Daenerys. They've bent everything to make Danerys the villain now, and since they seem to be going for the predictable ending, they might as well go all the way with it. That or Jon does it.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:31 AM
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:36 AM
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I can't believe that is how Cersei went down... I also thought the Mountain/Hound fight was a little over the top. Physically couldn't kill that guy, but I called it awhile ago that those 2 would meet to fight each other til death. For some reason I don't see Jamie and Cersei being dead. They will emerge out of the rubble somehow... Did not see Dany taking out KL the way she did either. Iron Fleet was useless...
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Old 05-13-2019, 12:20 PM
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They've been foreshadowing Dany all season so her turn was very plausible. Plus stuff she did in the past, although "justified", were also cruel in nature. Having brother's head melted by Dothraki, crucifying slave owners, etc. She was raised by a psycho in her brother and wanted vengeance after the final straws of her dragon and her BFF were killed. Plus in her eyes Jon, Tyrion, Varys, her closes supporters all betrayed her. I think she was more sad about Jorah dying because he was one of the few who loved her and followed her no matter what. The combination makes sense.
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... And Greyworm - spends a lifetime as an obedient solder - also ignores commands and becomes a murderer as well. ...
I didn't take it as Greyworm ignoring his commands. I took it as he and the Dothraki received different orders than Jon, whom Daenerys may no longer trust and considers him her greatest threat. I think they were told, if the city surrenders, don't accept surrender. Take no prisoners. What doesn't make sense is why Greyworm didn't kill Jon. He had every opportunity.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:25 PM
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:58 AM
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I didn't take it as Greyworm ignoring his commands. I took it as he and the Dothraki received different orders than Jon, whom Daenerys may no longer trust and considers him her greatest threat. I think they were told, if the city surrenders, don't accept surrender. Take no prisoners. What doesn't make sense is why Greyworm didn't kill Jon. He had every opportunity.
I think Greyworm respects him too much but with the way stuff has been slipping through the cracks
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:19 AM
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I didn't take it as Greyworm ignoring his commands. I took it as he and the Dothraki received different orders than Jon, whom Daenerys may no longer trust and considers him her greatest threat. I think they were told, if the city surrenders, don't accept surrender. Take no prisoners. What doesn't make sense is why Greyworm didn't kill Jon. He had every opportunity.
I took it as Greyworm following his queen’s example. Her action of attacking the surrendering city was a tacit command to her troops to do the same.

Jon did not follow his queen as he said he would.
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:28 AM
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I took it as Greyworm following his queen’s example. Her action of attacking the surrendering city was a tacit command to her troops to do the same.

Jon did not follow his queen as he said he would.

Jon's jaw was still dropping. I think he didnt know what to do.
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Old 05-14-2019, 09:39 AM
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Well, I mean, it's been pretty solidly established over numerous seasons, that Jon Snow knows nothing.
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And has literally done nothing this season
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:12 AM
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The one redeeming plot line remaining might be for Arya to take out Daenerys.
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.


Ya never know!
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:51 AM
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
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Ya never know!
That white horse has to mean something - city burns to the ground but this horse manages to just pop up. I hope they are actually leaning in on what you quoted.
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I find it hard to believe that Jamie and Cersei are both dead. Unless they show somebody dead, they're not dead.

Jamie takes a short rapier through both lungs and he's still running all over the Red Keep? Then, both of them are just killed by a few hundred tons of collapsing stone? Nah. Where's the drama in that. Random shit like that only happens in real life. This is fiction. This is fantasy. This is an artistic creation for the entertainment of the viewers. If there are no elements of poetic justice or at least irony, why the fuck did I watch the last 82 shows learning to love to hate Cersei?
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I find it hard to believe that Jamie and Cersei are both dead. Unless they show somebody dead, they're not dead.

Jamie takes a short rapier through both lungs and he's still running all over the Red Keep? Then, both of them are just killed by a few hundred tons of collapsing stone? Nah. Where's the drama in that. Random shit like that only happens in real life. This is fiction. This is fantasy. This is an artistic creation for the entertainment of the viewers. If there are no elements of poetic justice or at least irony, why the fuck did I watch the last 82 shows learning to love to hate Cersei?
This is why I was sorely disappointed in how both of them met their end. I'm not a writer and even I could have come up with something more satisfying.

But I don't see them coming back - neither of them are an individual physical threat, and neither of them have any support or followers. Neither character plays a role in the final outcome at this point, even if they did live.
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As every day passes I hope to wake up from this nightmare of season 8

The actors have been great. The production crew has been phenomenal. The writers have been absolute dog sheet
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I find it hard to believe that Jamie and Cersei are both dead. Unless they show somebody dead, they're not dead.

Jamie takes a short rapier through both lungs and he's still running all over the Red Keep? Then, both of them are just killed by a few hundred tons of collapsing stone? Nah. Where's the drama in that. Random shit like that only happens in real life. This is fiction. This is fantasy. This is an artistic creation for the entertainment of the viewers. If there are no elements of poetic justice or at least irony, why the fuck did I watch the last 82 shows learning to love to hate Cersei?
Before Jamie & Cersei, there have only been 2 characters that we've had to assume are dead. Hodor & Stannis. Both assumed dead, though never actually shown being killed.
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Am I the only one who has seriously been looking forward to Arya killing someone faceless man style this whole season.

First I was wishing she would take the face of an undead or white walker somehow and ghost the night king.

Then I was wishing she would take the face of the guy who advises Cersei (cant remember his name) and ghost Cersei.

Now im like wtf she better take greyworms face and ghost Daenerys or I'll be pissed
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Am I the only one who has seriously been looking forward to Arya killing someone faceless man style this whole season.

First I was wishing she would take the face of an undead or white walker somehow and ghost the night king.

Then I was wishing she would take the face of the guy who advises Cersei (cant remember his name) and ghost Cersei.

Now im like wtf she better take greyworms face and ghost Daenerys or I'll be pissed
I thought the moment was with Cersei. I guess the writers thought rocks were more interesting

IMHO, I don't think Arya will need to go faceless for Danerys. She has no reason to distrust Arya - at least a significant enough distrust to not allow her near by. Danerys is no match for Arya. She doesn't really need the element of surprise.

But who knows - I suppose given Dany's turn to mad Queen maybe she shuns everyone but Greyworm, and that's how they set that up. Arya vs. Greyworm would be a cool fight. Arya fighting her way through Greyworm then on to Danerys would be somewhat redeeming.
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What does a dragon do without a rider? Why has Bran disappeared again?
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Before Jamie & Cersei, there have only been 2 characters that we've had to assume are dead. Hodor & Stannis. Both assumed dead, though never actually shown being killed.
Benjen?
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Presumably, flies off east.
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True, forgot about him riding into the swarm, yo-yo blazing.
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I can't say I agree with that. Season 7 was hands-down the best season of the whole series. Especially if you couple it with the las 2-3 episodes of season 6. Those 10 episodes are the best stretch of the entire series. Maybe that's partly why season 8 seems so weak, by contrast. It would be hard for it to meet the same standard and live up to the hype. But if it was almost as good, I think I'd be satisfied

80 minutes to save this turd. I can't see it happening.
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This is why I was sorely disappointed in how both of them met their end. I'm not a writer and even I could have come up with something more satisfying.

But I don't see them coming back - neither of them are an individual physical threat, and neither of them have any support or followers. Neither character plays a role in the final outcome at this point, even if they did live.
yeah, like something that has been bugging me is, look at the gruesome death for the Hound, a guy who was actually a "nice" guy throughout the seasons, he always stuck up for women and protected / saved many, and they give him that ending battle with the Mountain. I even felt sad watching his demise. Meanwhile stupid Cersei gallantly drinks her wine and falls to some stones. I'd love to see that she didn't actually die and she gets a proper death tomorrow but I think that's quite a long shot. Oh well.
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