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Old 10-03-2017, 11:35 AM
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That mag and bump fire rig is completely legal. Don't need a stamp or anything.
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He had this AR too.. with the scope and stand.. he could have picked off people at will.
I don't think he got to use this one.. seems like he mag dumped with the bump fire rig three times and that was it.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:43 AM
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Bump fire stocks should be illegal. Same with trigger cranks.

While it is fun to shoot full auto, that's where I'm drawing the line.
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That's it.. the LVPD and authorities need to stop fucking with us.
I'm not saying this is a conspiracy but this is the 3rd video showing muzzle flash from the lower floors.

Right around 4:50 mark..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNiRr763gJA
If those were muzzle flashes from that area, you would think someone would have noticed the broken window. The windows in that hotel do not open.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:48 AM
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I thought I read somewhere the flash at the lower levels was a strobe light or something.
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Bump fire stocks should be illegal. Same with trigger cranks.

While it is fun to shoot full auto, that's where I'm drawing the line.
I'm certainly no gun engineer, but I'd take it a step farther to say that guns that can be so easily retrofitted to full auto should not exist either.
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Bump fire stocks should be illegal. Same with trigger cranks.

While it is fun to shoot full auto, that's where I'm drawing the line.
You don't need that stock to bumpfire. You can make them yourself real easy.
I'm not saying they should be in the market, but making them illegal doesn't keep them out of the hands that want them.
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You can bumpfire pretty much any semi-automatic gun.
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I thought I read somewhere the flash at the lower levels was a strobe light or something.
The frequency of the light and it stopping during parts of the shooting are very suspect.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:53 AM
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You can bumpfire pretty much any semi-automatic gun.
one can belt-loop bump fire
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The frequency of the light and it stopping during parts of the shooting are very suspect.
it was part of the police chatter. Lemme find the article again.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Majofo View Post
You can bumpfire pretty much any semi-automatic gun.
yea I bump fire my ar sometimes. But with a 10rd maglimit it gets old quick

that and with the cost of ammo, all I hear is the cash register sound with every trigger pull
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You can bumpfire pretty much any semi-automatic gun.
not set up in a window on a bipod
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Don't even need a stick.
I've seen guys bumpfire with solid finger pressure.
I've seen it with sticks, all types of shit.
You just need to get the rhythm / forward pressure down.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:57 AM
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yea I bump fire my ar sometimes. But with a 10rd maglimit it gets old quick

that and with the cost of ammo, all I hear is the cash register sound with every trigger pull
and it looks like you're jacking the gun off
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and it looks like you're jacking the gun off
yea.... or fingering it
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I think guns are cool.
I think mass shootings are not.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:16 PM
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You don't need that stock to bumpfire. You can make them yourself real easy.
I'm not saying they should be in the market, but making them illegal doesn't keep them out of the hands that want them.
That is the problem though. This guy owned his own machine shop. Yeah, he could've easily made his own bump stock.

His case was like no other. We should probably wait for more info, but it doesn't seem like this particular incident could've been prevented.
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Another asshole issue.
There should be a test if you're an asshole.
No guns for you.
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That is the problem though. This guy owned his own machine shop. Yeah, he could've easily made his own bump stock.

His case was like no other. We should probably wait for more info, but it doesn't seem like this particular incident could've been prevented.
like I said, I'm no gun engineer, but I'm sure there's a way you could design these things so that some of these learned tricks are not a possibility.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Costco View Post
That is the problem though. This guy owned his own machine shop. Yeah, he could've easily made his own bump stock.

His case was like no other. We should probably wait for more info, but it doesn't seem like this particular incident could've been prevented.
I believe his father was on the FBI most wanted list with a diagnosis of being a psychotic. Proper background checks could/should have raised flags as, if memory serves, that is a genetic trait.

Also, this is unsubstantiated...but I thought I read somewhere that this guy had been on the radar for a while? Can any one clarify?
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc View Post
I believe his father was on the FBI most wanted list with a diagnosis of being a psychotic. Proper background checks could/should have raised flags as, if memory serves, that is a genetic trait.

Also, this is unsubstantiated...but I thought I read somewhere that this guy had been on the radar for a while? Can any one clarify?
Basing the denial (or a portion thereof) of a person's Constitutional right on a genetic predisposition to an illness makes me really uncomfortable...

However, it is pretty unlikely that a person's first psychotic episode will be the "big one", so someone should have had intervened earlier in his life if he showed symptoms.

The local PD in his town said they had NOT had any interactions with him.
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc View Post
I believe his father was on the FBI most wanted list with a diagnosis of being a psychotic. Proper background checks could/should have raised flags as, if memory serves, that is a genetic trait.

Also, this is unsubstantiated...but I thought I read somewhere that this guy had been on the radar for a while? Can any one clarify?
I heard the exact opposite. Super clean cut. Never any brushes with the law. Not on anyones radar.
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not set up in a window on a bipod
yes you can..
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I heard early on that he was known to law enforcement
It's the news.. they can all eat shit.
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like I said, I'm no gun engineer, but I'm sure there's a way you could design these things so that some of these learned tricks are not a possibility.
1) Ha
2) Even if that's the case, how are you going to cull hundreds of millions of guns already out there
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yes you can..
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like I said, I'm no gun engineer, but I'm sure there's a way you could design these things so that some of these learned tricks are not a possibility.
Well, I'm no gun engineer either, just an amateur enthusiast. Even I know that you can 3D print functional lowers, and you can buy jigs to complete them. Basically, you can manufacture the parts of a gun yourself.

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I heard early on that he was known to law enforcement
It's the news.. they can all eat shit.
Basically. This shit should never be in the news. How about instead of trying to reduce casualties, we prevent them entirely?

In the eyes of these wackos, they are probably martyrs, or at least the guys that preceded or inspired them were.

Show this on every news network, multiple radio stations, on loop. Repeat ad nauseum. Inspire the next generation of civilian slayers.
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1) Ha
2) Even if that's the case, how are you going to cull hundreds of millions of guns already out there
I wouldn't... I'd just take them out of production and make it illegal to trade in them
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Originally Posted by Costco View Post
In the eyes of these wackos, they are probably martyrs, or at least the guys that preceded or inspired them were.

Show this on every news network, multiple radio stations, on loop. Repeat ad nauseum. Inspire the next generation of civilian slayers.

Yep
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Well, I'm no gun engineer either, just an amateur enthusiast. Even I know that you can 3D print functional lowers, and you can buy jigs to complete them. Basically, you can manufacture the parts of a gun yourself.
I can build a pretty nice bomb in my basement too, but that doesn't mean they should sell them at Walmart.
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I'm pretty sure Walmart sells the components to build them in your basement..
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Any machinist can make one. But that is not the point. The push to ban guns is going to be outrageous after this horrific incident. The fact that this guy seemed like a clean cut, no issues kind of guy, goes to show this couldn't have been stopped. Either he just snapped or has a mental issue that no one has seen when it surfaced, or just didn't say anything period. We need to figure out a way to get the people with mental illnesses the help they need before something tragic happens.

RIP to all that lost their lives. So, so sad.
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you'd think having 40+ weapons might signal something
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What about collectors? Who knew he had that many?
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Mental illness is another scapegoat. It's dangerous to correlate mental illness with violence.
This guy doesn't appear to be mentally ill.. he was a suicidal asshole who wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.
Let's not glorify him.
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My coworker has over 100 guns.
Hasn't killed one person.
So..
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I has over 100 CZs.
So..
Very true.
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I agree the mental illness ploy is a crock of shit. Easy way out of something. But there does need to be something set in place for those that need the help.
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Can't own too many..
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